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Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Miiverse Update Thread XVI
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NeonZ
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Daisy and Blood Falcon not getting promoted to costumes is really odd, but the whole costume/color/character set up in this game seems really inconsistent anyway...
Beelzebufo
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Heath, we all know you put a lot of effort into the OT, and I'm sure once we kill off this thread a lot of us will migrate over there. Don't worry about it!
That too. Out of the clones he's the one I crave to try the most.
Thanks, guess I'll go with Doc even though I like Mario better.
If Doc doesn't fight worse, of course.
Who's that?
The OT almost seems like an import thread. But I think the bottom line is this thread just has a massive amount of inertia from people posting in it very actively for like a year. That's really all it is, I think. People are creatures of habit and will click here first because that's where they've always been clicking to talk about Smash 4 stuff.
ArchedThunder
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Dixie Kong.
The OT is more for the discussion for those who have the game and will play it. It shouldn't be bloated with leak discussions as it'll throw people off once the game is out.
There's also the problem that the Japanese release is two weeks before the international release, and only few people with a Japanese 3DS will be playing it, meaning the OT won't be that active even when it is released in Japan.
It's mostly the fault that the OT shouldn't have been created until the international release instead of the Japanese one, since most discussion will stay here than the OT for clarity's sake.
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Shadow Hog
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Honestly, if you ask me, we should probably just close this thread up and completely move into the 3DS |OT| - or else just limit this thread to PotD, Wii U and general Smash Bros. discussion, pointing anyone talking specifically about the 3DS version to the relevant thread.
I dunno, I wasn't honestly expecting this thread to be open when the |OT| was.
I dunno, I wasn't honestly expecting this thread to be open when the |OT| was.
If they included Tails, I'd hope they pull more from Tails Adventures and Sonic the Fighters than make him a Sonic clone.
Benzychenz
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I for one think there are bigger issues in life than people possibly posting in the wrong thread on a video game forum.
Exotoro
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Fuck I meant kumatora
Red Arremer
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Because Black Shadow doesn't use purple magic in the games/show. He's just a guy with super strength, who also happens to be really cunning and leader of a part of the F-Zero universe's underworld.
I've brought it up before and will bring it up again: If you want to give Ganondorf's current moveset to an F-Zero character, Black Shadow is the least suited to it. Either make Blood Falcon his own character, or, better (because closer to the source material), make Deathborne the successor to Ganondorf's moveset.
Also, keep in mind that when Ganondorf was picked in Melee, he had barely any characterization or moves, so making him the "brute strength battle magic guy" was as fitting as it gets. As I've mentioned before, when Melee was out, the only gripe people had with Ganondorf's moveset was that he didn't have a projectile (to mirror the ping pong bit in OoT's penultimate boss fight).
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I totally agreed with you there. Yeah, it's sticky situation but I hope that it would resolved when more people getting the games in their hands. From top of my head, we have like 20-25ish people that are going to import the games.
I'm in same boat with you. I'm going to buy both.
I actually got requests that they want to keep Wii U and 3DS discussion separate to avoiding 3DS vs Wii U arguments. I'm trying to respect that as well despite the fact that 3DS vs Wii U haven't happens for long time tho.
Kumatora is a party member in Mother 3. She's the one that learns PK thunder, PK freeze, PK fire, PSI Magnet, and PK starstorm.
I already saw that and replied to it. My problem is that whatever happened waa a misunderstanding about the OT's purpose, and that if she wants to clarify she should post it here, not on Twitter.
Benzychenz
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MaverickHunterAsh
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Okay, sure. But you could say the same thing about trying to play Falco just like Fox, or trying to play Ganondorf just like Captain Falcon. Obviously Wolf has more differences from Fox than either of those examples, but he's not the only clone that you can't play just like their source character.
What I mean by their being similar overall is stuff like their specials. Both of their neutral Bs is a (differently acting) blaster. Both of their down Bs is a reflector. Wolf's up B clearly uses Fire Fox as its base inspiration. Obviously their smashes, tilts, etc. are quite different.
Yeah, from what Sakurai has said you can use most (if not all?) of the tracks from the Sounds section as music in Smash Run, while the stages themselves are limited to two pre-set tracks per stage.
Hmm, maybe I did misinterpret Sakurai's comment then. That is really weird, straight up...
NeonZ
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Following Ganondorf's own tradition of copying an entirely unrelated character, Demise could fit well as an... Ike clone.
balladofwindfishes
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Yea, I could actually see that working
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Take a look at our thread title. It has been renamed for awhile. (I guess a hour ago but I'm not sure tho)
I can't speak much for what he actually meant, that's just the way I look at it. I mean he has the power to create or remove differences in how the characters play, y'know? But yeah, I agree, it is weird. As long as the announcer says a characters name though, that's pretty much the same to me as them being included in the roster proper.
I want it.
Thanks for redeeming my original answer.
Now that I think about it, I'm surprised trying to find customs hasn't been a streaming priority. How do they unlock anyway? 1 at a time.
MaverickHunterAsh
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The more I think about it, the more I really can't fucking believe we got a new, entirely original Mother stage. I would never have put money down on that happening since the series is long retired (and one of the series' only two reps has been cut, to boot).
It's amazing and I love it. I really, really hope Magicant is a shared stage between the two versions because I don't see us getting two all-new Mother stages!
It's amazing and I love it. I really, really hope Magicant is a shared stage between the two versions because I don't see us getting two all-new Mother stages!
balladofwindfishes
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Yea, I kind of think they shouldn't be afraid of 100% clones. As in no changes what so ever, to add to the CSS. Alph would have been nice, even if just to have Rock Pikmin as a cosmetic. Add some more single player classic runs to do, more characters to unlock, and just generally a bulkier, more full CSS.
Sakurai's comment even seems to imply they might have considered it. Remove White/Purple and add Rock that add similar to Purple, but a little different and he would have been more different than Dark Pit imo.
Error404SwagNotFound
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I wouldn't have believed it either, and even though I'm not a Mother fan, it's still a very cool stage. Glad it got included.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that we wouldn't get new Mother stage for Wii U. I have a good feeling that it will be Onett and New Pork City once again. (Unless they decided to cut Mother 3 out of the game)
OrangeGrayBlue
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Kinda weird arrangement. I wonder if the Wii U version will structure it differently because Game and Watch being the only non-Mario character in the first row, clone corner and Pokémon not being at the start of a row is all kinda strange to me.
edit- if you put Dr. Mario where Game and Watch is and put Dark Pit beside Palutena and then move Little Mac and Game and Watch to the "clone corner" you can at least match characters up by series and then the clone corner becomes more of a classic characters corner, with Duck Hunt and ROB right above Little Mac and G/W.
Troubled Bat
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I want to see combo videos already!!
I know their stage return choices are questionable pretty often. But I really hope they don't bring back New Pork. I'd prefer Onett and Fourside. Or just having two spots on the stage select that go to the same Onett stage. Keep NPC far away from me PLS Sakurai.
Karsticles
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Give me this and Ridley as a Charizard clone and I am happy.
Red Arremer
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Oh I understand what you are getting at, and you actually went out to include most of the details. But the generalization of the spacies' specials is usually much more simple than what you've done. People say "well, their B is a gun and their down B a reflector". To which I respond with "yeah, well, Link's and Samus' B is a chargeable projectile and their down B is a bomb".
Plus, again, almost everybody seems to completely ignore the normals - Wolf and Fox are entirely different to the point where both don't even use the same limbs. In Brawl (not sure if that still is the case in Smash 4), Samus and Link shared the same Back Air, i.e. 1 move, which already has them sharing more normals than Fox and Wolf do, and Meta Knight and Kirby do as well (they share a throw). Luigi and Mario share even more normals.
PS you forgot that Wolf gets invincibility frames with his Down B, and also can cancel landing lag from neutral falling state.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Do the Koopalings have their own voices or anything?
MrSaturn99
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Yes they do!
Falcon also didn't spawn fire from his limb when he attacked someone.
It's clear that Sakurai gives no fucks about F-Zero, so I'd accept a half-hearted attempt at fanservice than no attempt.
Mr. Smiley
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They do. Makes Bowser's Smash voice all the more a head scratcher
MrSaturn99
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But he even asked whenever Falcon would be getting a new game of his own!
The "extra" characters are sporadic. There is no real precedence for who and why they got in.
We have 8 characters with unique models (and voices?) out of Bowser Jr., a former simple color swap got his own slot in Dark Pit, removed unique clones like Wolf. Removed PKMN Trainer for just one of the PKMN from that group.
Lucina, Doc Mario... Falco, dorf. Alph... I have no idea what the thought process was for the character selection.
We have 8 characters with unique models (and voices?) out of Bowser Jr., a former simple color swap got his own slot in Dark Pit, removed unique clones like Wolf. Removed PKMN Trainer for just one of the PKMN from that group.
Lucina, Doc Mario... Falco, dorf. Alph... I have no idea what the thought process was for the character selection.
Icelandic_Jazz
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Dude. The new F-Zero stage.
Starphoenix
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Please please please this! Just so I can get more lovely Mother/EarthBound tracks in My Music. Magicant single handedly makes me alright with the entire 3DS stage roster, THAT'S how good of a stage it is. ;_;
Mihael Mello Keehl
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DLC and thats a bet
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