My bad, I guess I interpreted it wrong. I'd be angry too if a thread like that was put to waste.
Well stated. Besides, I don't think the sanctity of NeoGAF is being harmed by having a few different active Smash threads once every 6 years.
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Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Miiverse Update Thread XVI
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Red Arremer
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If you play Wolf the same way you would play Fox, you're going to faceplant so hard, dude. They play nothing alike.
Don't do this, in fact most people in this thread are agreeing with you.
I'd rather have Lucas come back than make Dark Pit playable, if that's an acceptable answer. Although he isn't really a straight up clone like Lucina and assuredly Pitoo, so idk.
OrangeGrayBlue
Member
The year-long precedent of threads dedicated to daily updates disrupts the usual rhythm of discussion, as does the OT being solely for the 3DS game when there is still a Wii U version months from release which more people are anticipating. If Dark Souls 2 was releasing daily updates over a year in advance, you would see a similar difficulty in moving all that momentum into a different thread. Especially if this were extrapolated by there being two different versions of the game, with only the less popular of which having an OT.
Edit- My humble opinion is that the assets from the current 3DS OT should be used for the OP of our next thread (coming up in about four hours probably) and it should serve as both the 3DS OT and the general smash bros discussion thread.
http://www.mhmcintyre.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Salt-Pile.jpg
I'm dying here lol
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Well, I already asked a moderator to changed our thread title so this thread is for Smash Wii U discussions about POTD so people don't have to make a lot of threads over small updates. If Aeana still insist that 3DS users should post at 3DS OT then we should move to there, and force this thread become Wii U POTD and discussion thread.
We'll see how this discussion would ended up.
poring through all the customs is the first thing I'm going to demand of importers/streamers tomorrow
We figured that this stuff was regarded as spoilers and thought that perhaps people going into the OT wanted to talk about the game without spoilers and discuss purely the promo material.
The question is: Does this really matter? Whether or not Alph has a spot is completely irrelevant. You can play as Alph, you can play as Dark Pit. Having an official spot doesn't change anything in that regard. Chances are that they first created the alts and then someone (Sakurai or some other team member) suggested slight variations that would suit the character and they were given their own spot.
I agree that it feels inconsistent but in the end it has absolutely no relevance, except to people that wanted Alph as a totally unique newcomer.
Chezzymann
Member
I hope the existence of this thread doesn't make the actual OT super inactive when the game comes out in NA/EU
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
hahahahahah I can't unsee that now!The differences are minimal but make a world of difference. Look how much cuter she got! She no longer has that idle expression of a fat cat trying to breathe.
Beelzebufo
Banned
So do we have footage of Wario yet? I want to see if he's different haha.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I think it's a silly idea to move this thread to community when we are going to get a lot of small updates from Wii U POTD that are not even warrant a new thread over the small updates.
You don't need to worry. Once people got their hands on the games, this thread will become slow because people would be busy to playing the games and discussing the games in 3DS OT.
StreetsAhead
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Im actually pretty happy dr. Mario is back. Even if he was a clone of mario he didnt feel like it to me. Like the doc had a heavier feeling than mario and in my mind that changes alot. Just like ganondorf and falcon. Even if they have the same moveset. I dont play thrm the same style. Its like ken and ryu.
Well, I'm not sure he does. Because all the characters were supposedly remade, so remaking Lucas would probably be more effort thatn making Pit and making into Dark Pit. I feel Lucas was pretty different than Ness I guess.
poring through all the customs is the first thing I'm going to demand of importers/streamers tomorrow
Hope it works.
Shamrock7r
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It's awesome that they seemed to have fixed Ness to look more like his clay counterpart. He is noticeably taller and looks a lot more like his original promotional artwork
MisterWisp
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Hispanic! At the Disco
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Ive always been under the impression that OT's are meant to be sort of "hey! Game comes out in a week! Who's getting it! Who's excited about this and that." Which is not to say the smash OT ISNT that, but its open before JP release and it personally gives me the vibe of "hey! The JP game comes out next week! Who's getting the JP version! Who's excited and who wants to play the JP version and this and that." The timing of it gives me the impression of it being for people who own the japanese version, which i wont have, and thus I naturally dont feel a part of that OT.
It's a VERY nice OT and I love it, but its so far from release...
It's a VERY nice OT and I love it, but its so far from release...
Baron von Loathsome
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The streamers have been focusing on unlocking and showcasing characters so far.
KelpPlankton
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poring through all the customs is the first thing I'm going to demand of importers/streamers tomorrow
They can't do that, you have to unlock all the moves individually via smash run, classic, etc.
No one said you can't post in an OT, there are over 600 posts in the OT right now, and it's only going to get more use after the game is actually available. The other threads will/would have died out naturally once their purposes were fulfilled.
Destiny is not at all a comparable situation considering that it's an MMO and not a cartridge game with a broken street date--the fact that GAF had the first known copy and player in the world should have been a point of pride for the forum, it certainly was for the community, and shutting that thread down was perceived as an attack on us.
Following that up by threatening to remove the OT itself, and all of the hard work IntelliHeath and Xane put into it, really makes it seem like you just want to throw your weight around for the sake of doing it.
Red Arremer
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I can't talk for anybody but myself, but the reasons I prefer posting in this thread are that it's the "home base", if you will. We were talking about both games long before the OT and imminent 3DS release in the Miiverse threads, and all of SmashGAF is in here (since there'll be people who won't grab the 3DS game, I'm sure). And I think many have a similar line of thinking, evidenced by the fact this thread is more active.
Again, I sincerely believe that the 3DS OT's lack of activity is founded in the fact that there's simply not all that much to talk about right now. The characters do involve the Wii U version as much as the 3DS version. Beyond that, we have barely any footage, and once the game releases in Japan tomorrow, I project an increase of activity in the 3DS OT. We'll get live streams and videos and screenshots and everybody will be happy talking about those until we get the game in the West.
Until then, you'll likely have to expect that several people are going to flipflop between both threads, and several topics (including stuff from the 3DS version) is likely going to happen in the Miiverse thread as much as the 3DS OT.
until very recently I was under the impression that this is the next iteration of the OT (I guess the Thread XVI in the title threw me off). It's also the most active thread right now
We are a month away from the US release date. How many games have OT's for their Japanese launch?
I followed this thread as the Smash roster was leaking, but that was the extent of what I want to know. I don't to be spoiled on how to unlock all of the characters and see all the stages, which is what would happen if I was to post in the 3DS OT. I also want to keep discussing POTD's in the lead up to the US release date, and as far as I can see this would be the thread to do that in?
I'll probably change FLUDD to the High Pressure one and never look back.
Jawmuncher
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Is there a video of just jiggly puff?
I need a Pokemon main and I'm going with her.
I need a Pokemon main and I'm going with her.
I would go with Paula from Earthbound
DAMMIT I forgot >.<
I never threatened to remove it. I already said it was a joke derived from musing about its inactivity. I repeat: that was never actually going to happen. It's why I posted it on my personal twitter and not here. If I was actually going to do something in an official capacity, I would say so here on the forum.
Black Shadow. You have a Falcon clone in Smash and he isn't it? Why?
I know you already understand this... but the way you word it sounds like you're looking at Sakurai's comment all backwards.
He didn't decide to make Alph an alt after seeing that he had no unique moves. He chose not to give Alph unique moves, thus making him an alt.
Why? I dunno. Making Alph a clone and Pit and Doc alts makes worlds more sense to me. He even acknowledges how Alph could be changed.
MaverickHunterAsh
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I don't think anyone's made a definitive one yet, so allow me:
New stages:
3D Land
Arena Ferox
Balloon Fight
Battlefield
Boxing Ring
Final Destination
Find Mii
Gaur Plains
Gerudo Valley
Golden Plains
Kirby's Dream Land (AKA "Game Boy")
Living Room
Magicant
Mute City (SNES/original F-Zero style)
Pac-Maze
Paper Mario
PictoChat 2
Prism Tower
Rainbow Road
Reset Bomb Forest
Spirit Train
Tomodachi Life
Tortimer Island
Unova Pokémon League
Wily Castle
Returning stages:
Brinstar (Melee)
Corneria (Melee)
Distant Planet (Brawl)
Flat Zone 2 (Brawl)
Green Hill Zone (Brawl)
Jungle Japes (Melee)
Mushroomy Kingdom (Brawl)
WarioWare (Brawl)
Yoshi's Island (Brawl)
Huh. You know, the more I look at the stage roster, the happier/more impressed I am with it considering it's "merely" a 3DS game. Yeah, there are a couple too many returning stages and a few of the choices for returning stages really suck, but the new stages are almost unilaterally awesome. I'm actually not even sure I can identify a new stage I don't like or am excited to try, besides maybe Golden Plains and PictoChat 2 (Wily Castle is fine in Omega Mode/without the Yellow Devil). I can't say that about either Brawl or Melee.
MrSaturn99
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For whatever reason I thought that Aeana's comment was referring to this thread. Apologies if my initial response came across as too harsh.
...I guess that proves she has a point though, lol. I guess it would make sense to have an import-impression thread but I think we're all too used to our POTD threads. :/
...I guess that proves she has a point though, lol. I guess it would make sense to have an import-impression thread but I think we're all too used to our POTD threads. :/
MisterWisp
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theprodigy
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all 564 moves from the 47 characters that don't start with any customizations!
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yeah, there are several fighting games that got Japanese launch so I was inspired by that and decided to follow that as well.
Also I really want to pay my respects to all posters who live at Japan that have done a lot for us, like providing us the translation. It's my way to pay them back by providing a home OT for them to discussing their games.
Exotoro
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Kumatora.
I figured discussion migrated here since it's a thread that has been about both versions. While the leaks are all the 3ds versions being out early, it was all relative to the roster which is going to be the same on both, and I'm sure there's a good number of people not actually getting this on 3ds that are still really interested in talking about that, but doing it in a 3ds OT feels a little odd.
It's a weird situation, though.
It's a weird situation, though.
Well, I guess I should stop favoriting tweets so casually.
Anyway, to take character discussion in a slightly different direction, I was talking about the roster with some friends earlier and realized something about how I think of Ridley: I don't really see him as having any intelligence. I haven't really played any Metroid games, and so I understand that I'm incorrect (since I do know he's in charge of space pirates in some capacity), but to me he just seems like a relatively mindless thing you fight. This isn't an argument against his inclusion or anything (since clearly the Pokemon would be similar if you weren't familiar with them, and the same goes for Duck Hunt until you see him move, etc.), but just that I realized that he's not someone I could see doing a taunt, for example, because I just think "thin dragon thing with a weird neck and mouth" rather than seeing him as character fighting for their own reasons. I guess I'm wondering if this is something that I'd actually feel different on if I played the games, or is that a legitimate issue with his character as presented in gameplay alone?
Anyway, to take character discussion in a slightly different direction, I was talking about the roster with some friends earlier and realized something about how I think of Ridley: I don't really see him as having any intelligence. I haven't really played any Metroid games, and so I understand that I'm incorrect (since I do know he's in charge of space pirates in some capacity), but to me he just seems like a relatively mindless thing you fight. This isn't an argument against his inclusion or anything (since clearly the Pokemon would be similar if you weren't familiar with them, and the same goes for Duck Hunt until you see him move, etc.), but just that I realized that he's not someone I could see doing a taunt, for example, because I just think "thin dragon thing with a weird neck and mouth" rather than seeing him as character fighting for their own reasons. I guess I'm wondering if this is something that I'd actually feel different on if I played the games, or is that a legitimate issue with his character as presented in gameplay alone?
Shadow Hog
Member
Not really. I mean, if you wanna break it down...
B:
Fox: Shoots gun straight forward. Can rapid-fire really quickly.
Wolf: Shoots gun straight forward, but with a delay. Cannot really rapid-fire, as he draws and holsters the gun for every shot, but it stuns, and he does apparently injure people standing right next to him even before the laser's fired.
Link: Shoots an arrow from his bow the moment the B button is depressed. The longer it's held, the farther it goes. Cannot save the charge. Arrow is affected by gravity.
Samus: Charge shot; starts charging on first B press, won't shoot until second B press. The longer the time between presses, the stronger it is. Can save charge by rolling out of the stance. Shot is not affected by gravity.
Side-B:
Fox: Holds still for a second, then dashes to another point on the ground in front of him in the blink of an eye. Anything in-between takes damage.
Wolf: Holds still for a second, then dashes to another point in front of him, a fair bit above the ground, in the blink of an eye. If he stops directly on an airborne opponent, they're spiked.
Link: Throws out a boomerang. Goes forward a bit (with some vertical angling if desired), then comes back. Brawl and Smash 4 made this the Gale Boomerang, so opponents get dragged toward Link when the Boomerang makes its return swing.
Samus: Fires a missile. There's also a Super Missile mechanic for Smash-B, although I've never had much luck with it. One of the two homes (I believe standard missiles?).
Up-B:
Fox: Charges for a second, then dashes headfirst in one of any eight directions held in a fireball.
Wolf: The same, but without the fireball, with a shorter charge time, and footfirst in a kicking animation. I think it drags opponents inward, too?
Link: Spin attack; the axis of spin is perpendicular to the ground. Can be done entirely on the ground (and can be charged if it is; no in midair, though), and tends to push opponents away.
Samus: Screw Attack; the axis of spin is perpendicular to the screen. Cannot be done entirely on the ground (she'll jump upward regardless), and sucks opponents inward.
Down-B:
Fox: Reflector. Sends projectiles back to the sender. Also knocks overlapping opponents away.
Wolf: Reflector. Looks different, acts the same. Does knock projectiles back faster than Fox's.
Link: Pulls out a large bomb, which can be thrown around. Damages Link if it explodes by him.
Samus: Lays a small bomb, which cannot be picked up in any way, shape or form, but can apparently be used to jump with (not that I ever had any luck with it).
Seriously, I get you hate people constantly asserting Wolf is a direct clone of Fox, but your Link/Samus analogy is really not comparable. Fox and Wolf are closer to a case of Mario/Luigi than Link/Samus are.
(I kinda wish I had better visual references on-hand right now, though. It's a lot more apparent visually than it is when you write all the details out...)
But the games are essentially the same, minus stage and mode differences. NeoGAF is not gonna crash and burn if people talk about the Wii U version in the 3DS Thread.
And chances are, people who do have the 3DS version on GAF will likely buy the Wii U version too.
Maybe.
I know I am.
The issue with threads in this case is that there are people that don't plan on buying Smash 3DS but yet want to know all the news about the general game (roster mainly). Those people would mostly follow this thread and probably shared the leaks and stuff here.
Smash 3DS OT will probably get more activity when people get the game and start dicussing 3DS specific stuff, organizing tournaments and other things.
Smash 3DS OT will probably get more activity when people get the game and start dicussing 3DS specific stuff, organizing tournaments and other things.
Orbis Tabula
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I would give Oliver Pikmin 2 Pikmin and make Alph a clone with Pikmin 3 guys. Purples and poison versus rock and pink.
I also think Tails could basically be a Sonic clone and just change his up+b.
Hispanic! At the Disco
Member
can we shoo the importers to the OT and us people who have 3 weeks can stay here speculating, musing, and discussing ptod till we're closer to western release?
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