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Oh dang, did they take the fan out? I thought it was in a picture somewhere.

Yeah, but shields break easier in this game anyway so it's not like we need another battering item.

Holy shit man, that Magicant stage makes me wanna cry tears of joy just because it shows scenes of Mother 1 and Earthbound when the background rips open.
It's so incredibly awesome for some reason I cannot explain.

Now that I think about it...are there ANY Mother 3 references in this game so far? Stuff like Mr. Saturn who represents Mother as a whole don't count.

The only way I see the weird ass Wii U character transfer working is if Smash Bros Wii U comes with the first set of DLC free, but you can transfer it to 1 to 4 3dses free of charge as well.

Could also easily be a Namco thing, timed exclusive. See Tekken Tag 2, they could just be unlocked by a key around the Wii U release for free.

Though I do think it's interesting that Sakurai is keeping the Wii U/3DS functionality thing a secret, if it was just mean justt for transferring say, custom movesets back and forth, I'd imagine he would have said so from the beginning.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

But Pokémon was created from the ground with the concept of exclusive monsters for each version.

Smash Bros is a fighting games series, it doesn't make sense to obligate people to buy two different versions of a game to unlock the full roster.

And... I don't think four extra characters in the Wii U version would help the Wii U that much either.

I can see it happening because, well, it is a Nintendo game, but I hope to god they don't try to force me to buy the same game twice + a new system.

I dont think this has anything to deal with helping the Wii U it could straight up be a development thing.. I mean the Wii U one is releasing at a later date.

In the end, I would not be suprised if the, "you unlocked all characters." Was "you unlocked all characters that are unlockable in the 3DS game."

 

[JoeM86]

I am not comparing Smash and Pokemon. I am saying not including all Pokemon in each version was a very good marketing strategy. The same applies here.

The sales they'd gain would outweigh the complaints, I am sure. Anyway, as I said, I hope it's not the case and every version on its own can get all the characters. I'd just be surprised by it.

PS: Man, Gerudo Valley theme still sounds incredible. (Gema_Yue stream)

The difference is, Pokémon doesn't do it to get you to buy both versions. It's for you to trade with friends.

 

[Hatchtag]

Holy shit, N's Castle is glorious. Best stage in the 3DS version, imo.

Anyways, I wouldn't worry about Nintendo ripping people off with any potential DLC. If it's on cart/disc, it'll almost certainly be free, and if it's actual DLC, it'll be cheap.

 

[Troubled Bat]

Indeed I did.

Full breakdown here.

Thanks, Oric!

I'm sad about Falco... lol. At least he's the top space animal!

 

[Mik317]

I have a feeling Nintendo would Nintendo it up and make it so you need the Wii U version for the full roster.

They often do shit like that is tough to defend (even if it is a smart business move in theory) and taints the pre-release hype session.

I can just feel it in my bones.

However, they have been rather good w DLC so far....hope it continues

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

The difference is, Pokémon doesn't do it to get you to buy both versions. It's for you to trade with friends.

Pokemon stadium did it with mew and mewtwo though..

I think metroid prime did something like that too.

 

[Storm Kyleis]

Having to pay an extra to get cut characters back would feel wrong, regardless of the method.

 

[Bjoern the Smexy]

But Pokémon was created from the ground with the concept of exclusive monsters for each version.

Smash Bros is a fighting games series, it doesn't make sense to obligate people to buy two different versions of a game to unlock the full roster.

And... I don't think four extra characters in the Wii U version would help the Wii U that much either.

I can see it happening because, well, it is a Nintendo game, but I hope to god they don't try to force me to buy the same game twice + a new system.

Well, it's been said a lot that the 3DS and Wii U games mainly share all the same characters and some of the stages, but many (most?) of the stages are exclusive to each other. Both versions will probably mostly have different songs too.
Smash Run is exclusive to the 3DS version, while we don't know yet what the exclusive mode on Wii U will be.

Anyway, I'm just glad that I'll be playing the new Smash Bros on my 3DS in not even three weeks.
I'm surprised that Germany get's the game a day earlier than the US and the rest of Europe.
That could just as well mean that I could hold the game in my hands on 1st of October if I'm lucky.

 

[Hatchtag]

Have we seen Metal Face on the 3DS version yet? I don't think we have.

 

[Robin64]

A bonus for owning both versions of the game would be nice, for sure. But characters that are locked if you don't buy a Wii U is a little harder to swallow.

Unless that's one way to get them, and another is playing against someone who has them. Viral character unlocks.

 

[Majukun]

Here's the likely reasons for the cuts:
-Snake: Konami
-Ice Climbers: Time constraints + getting them to work right due to being a multi character
-Squirtle and Ivysaur: Already having Charizard back
-Lucas and Wolf: Purely just time constraints
The new clones barely take any work for them to make, hence, they got in. They were likely not planned, hell, we know this was the case with Lucina. Near the end of game development, Sakurai decided to make Lucina not an alt costume and to make her a clone because it would add another character for incredibly little effort. The same thing likely happened with Dr. Mario and Dark Pit. No one was cut for any of them, if they weren't on the roster, they simply wouldn't be on the roster.

Sakurai never said that the whole lucina thing was decided near the end of development,in fact i'm pretty sure thst anything roster wise has been decided in the concept stage,that it's not something you do in 2 days,so there's plenty of time to change idea...but passed that point,i don't think characters have been cut

 

[Gambit]

having just finished the game, I am so happy to see Radiant Dawn Ike instead of PoR Ike.

Also, I wonder if the music from Tick Tock Clock is in the game.

Gaur Plains Stage is awesome!

 

[Mik317]

Having to pay an extra to get cut characters back would feel wrong, regardless of the method.

so it's that or you don't get them at all as obviously they were either cut for good reasons or time.



(or for free...I guess. TT2 did set a precident for it I guess)

 

[BGBW]

Dark Pit wasn't going to be in the game until SHAFT added him to the animation. If you want to blame someone, blame SHAFT.

 

[Atram]

Well, it's been said a lot that the 3DS and Wii U games mainly share all the same characters and some of the stages, but many (most?) of the stages are exclusive to each other. Both versions will probably mostly have different songs too.
Smash Run is exclusive to the 3DS version, while we don't know yet what the exclusive mode on Wii U will be.

Anyway, I'm just glad that I'll be playing the new Smash Bros on my 3DS in not even three weeks.
I'm surprised that Germany get's the game a day earlier than the US and the rest of Europe.
That could just as well mean that I could hold the game in my hands on 1st of October if I'm lucky.

October 3rd is a Holiday in Germany "Tag der Deutschen Einheit", thats why we will receive the Game one Day earlier.

 

[Golnei]

Having to pay an extra to get cut characters back would feel wrong, regardless of the method.

The best case scenario would be for those characters to be added gradually via routine patches like the one that was announced earlier. Though if they're not in the Wii U version by default, I can see them being made paid downloads - the allure of milking a large playerbase is too strong.

 

[Toxi]

Now that I think about it...are there ANY Mother 3 references in this game so far? Stuff like Mr. Saturn who represents Mother as a whole don't count.

While the Franklin Badge is found in all the Mother games, it has the biggest role in Mother 3.

 

[FSLink]

While the Franklin Badge is found in all the Mother games, it has the biggest role in Mother 3.

I'm aware, just wondering if there's been any sole Mother 3 references like music/trophies.

 

[Gambit]

The difference is, Pokémon doesn't do it to get you to buy both versions. It's for you to trade with friends.

True. Although I am sure many did anyway, and by many I mean myself and, I am pretty sure, you as well.

Anyway, we will find out soon enough. I think the roster is huge and full enough to warrant full price. No matter if it's possible to get bonus characters any other way.

I'm surprised that Germany get's the game a day earlier than the US and the rest of Europe.
That could just as well mean that I could hold the game in my hands on 1st of October if I'm lucky.

Well, the third of October is a holiday here, as you know. But you are right, they could have easily postponed it by a day instead.

 

[EloquentM]

So why are people believing this extra character wii u unlock thing?

 

[random25]

I have a feeling Nintendo would Nintendo it up and make it so you need the Wii U version for the full roster.

They often do shit like that is tough to defend (even if it is a smart business move in theory) and taints the pre-release hype session.

I can just feel it in my bones.

However, they have been rather good w DLC so far....hope it continues

I doubt that Nintendo will exploit the roster by forcing a person to buy both versions. It's not because Nintendo being Nintendo, but Sakurai being Sakurai. In terms of game content, Sakurai never really disappoints, so when he says the roster is the same for both versions, then there's no need to worry about needing to get both to get the most out of the game. If they plan to add characters, it'll probably happen as a DLC pack for both versions.

 

[Hatchtag]

Man, the themes of the past three Smashes being remixed into the credits is just awesome.

Sakurai never said that the whole lucina thing was decided near the end of development,in fact i'm pretty sure thst anything roster wise has been decided in the concept stage,that it's not something you do in 2 days,so there's plenty of time to change idea...but passed that point,i don't think characters have been cut

Lucina is something you could easily make in a few days. Hell, once a moveset editor was released for Brawl, we basically had Roy within about a week. And that's with a fan-made moveset editor, not with access to the tools the developers have.
I don't recall if Sakurai said that he made Lucina near the end of development, but he did mention that she started out as an alt costume for Marth, so she definitely wasn't planned to be a character during the concept stage.

 

[Zeyphersan]

I don't think I'll ever be not disappointed that custom moves aren't available online at all

 

[Hatchtag]

I don't think I'll ever be not disappointed that custom moves aren't available online at all

Weren't they announced to be allowed online with friends? If they're not, that'd be a bummer.

 

[Starwolf_UK]

So was there a message saying all characters unlocked? I'm trying to work out where this buy the Wii U version panic is coming from.

If this were Melee they would still be missing Mewtwo and Mr.Game and Watch...

Based off the streams...I litterally don't think this is possible.

shit is on some SNK shit....well not really but goddam

It looked easy up until that point. I mean people thought the same about boss battles on intense in Brawl and I think some even managed to do it with no damage.

Have we seen Metal Face on the 3DS version yet? I don't think we have.

I initially mistook the sword form of Master Core to be that (the neutral stance was similar and the slashing made sense...the limbs detaching did not)

 

[SuperSah]

I don't think I'll ever be not disappointed that custom moves aren't available online at all

You can with friends, right?

 

[solomon]

So guys do you think Sakurai has anymore surprises left for the wii U version or will he continue the 100 days of menu's up until release.

 

[deleted]

So we haven't seen any sign of Ridley or any other boss besides the Master Hands and this other thing in the game yet, right? And any completely new modes besides conquest are unlikely to unlock by now.

We can thereby assume, that there is more content to come and/or the game will be vastly different on the Wii U. The trailers for the Wii U version had teasers for multiple bosses that have not yet been seen and there is the connectivity between the two versions which will probably be used to transfer custom Miis and character move sets, but maybe also more stuff we don't know yet.

I don't find it that unlikely that certain parts will be DLC as well. Ice Climbers and the fan are unlikely to be gone completely. And I bet there will be old maps coming as well besides new stuff. It's way to easy to come up with DLC and Nintendo did it for smaller titles at this point.

 

[Zeyphersan]

Weren't they announced to be allowed online with friends? If they're not, that'd be a bummer.

You can with friends, right?

You are correct, sorry. I mean with anyone, even in like For Glory

 

[Peléo]

Has there been any info about custom moves? I wonder how Villager Pocket or Little Mac Punch would work.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

So was there a message saying all characters unlocked? I'm trying to work out where this buy the Wii U version panic is coming from.

If this were Melee they would still be missing Mewtwo and Mr.Game and Watch...


It looked easy up until that point. I mean people thought the same about boss battles on intense in Brawl and I think some even managed to do it with no damage.


I initially mistook the sword form of Master Core to be that (the neutral stance was similar and the slashing made sense...the limbs detaching did not)

There was a message

 

[Troubled Bat]

The best thing about customizable movesets.. I get to "declone" the clones. Which i'm excited to be doing.

 

[BGBW]

So was there a message saying all characters unlocked? I'm trying to work out where this buy the Wii U version panic is coming from.

When the streamer unlocked ROB the message came up saying they had the full roster. Also the padlock on All-Star mode disappeared.

The buy the WIi U version panic is just mad thoughts as a result of panic.

 

[random25]

So guys do you think Sakurai has anymore surprises left for the wii U version or will he continue the 100 days of menu's up until release.

We still have yet to see the modes exclusive to the Wii U version. With one mode alone, he can spam a month good of PotDs. See Smash Run for example.

Spoiler

And, Wii U menus

 

[unknownstranger]

Kind of random but has anyone copied every newcomer with Kirby yet and seen what his hat looks like?

 

[JoeM86]

Pokemon stadium did it with mew and mewtwo though..

No they didn't.

 

[Majukun]

Man, the themes of the past three Smashes being remixed into the credits is just awesome.



Lucina is something you could easily make in a few days. Hell, once a moveset editor was released for Brawl, we basically had Roy within about a week. And that's with a fan-made moveset editor, not with access to the tools the developers have.
I don't recall if Sakurai said that he made Lucina near the end of development, but he did mention that she started out as an alt costume for Marth, so she definitely wasn't planned to be a character during the concept stage.

Why not?all can have happened in concept stsge,for a game as big as smash,concept stage can take months,especially since there were 2 versions .
Also sakurai said cleraly that no character got cut or added in development,this was the roster from the start.

 

[EulaCapra]

From Smashboards. No Peach crown again sadly. Too cute for words.

Brawl holdovers.

Brawl green sleeping cap, comically oversized bow, Nurse Joy, X/Y Female Trainer hat

 

[BGBW]

So will anyone be joining me in the NicoNico stream, at least until the Treehouse one starts?

Also what's the consensus about the nature of this thread vs the OT?

 

[MaverickHunterAsh]

It never ceases to amaze me how people tend to irrationally project their cut-character anger onto added "clones" who probably took almost no time to make and are most definitely NOT a "replacement" for your favorite cut character.

It's funny, you don't here anyone complaining about Alph or the Koopalings, even though they're basically clones as well. It's this whole (cancerous) character selection screen "slot" mentality.

Perfectly said. The whole idea of "wasted slots" and slots in general is idiotic and completely baseless, and I can't believe it has persisted this long.

Wait, yes I can. This is the Internet.

Game & Watch's is the octopus again, but now lights up different colors./QUOTE]

Wario and Mr. Game & Watch both have their old ones.

Wario and G&W's FSs are still Warioman and Octopus.

Cool, thanks!

Holy shit man, that Magicant stage makes me wanna cry tears of joy just because it shows scenes of Mother 1 and Earthbound when the background rips open.
It's so incredibly awesome for some reason I cannot explain.

I know exactly what you mean. It's heartwarming as hell and I just adore it. It's going to be even better playing on that stage when we can hear the music clearly and really immerse ourselves in it.

A bonus for owning both versions of the game would be nice, for sure. But characters that are locked if you don't buy a Wii U is a little harder to swallow.

Unless that's one way to get them, and another is playing against someone who has them. Viral character unlocks.

I have a feeling Nintendo would Nintendo it up and make it so you need the Wii U version for the full roster.

They often do shit like that is tough to defend (even if it is a smart business move in theory) and taints the pre-release hype session.

I can just feel it in my bones.

However, they have been rather good w DLC so far....hope it continues

My guess is that if we do get a few more characters with the Wii U version, Nintendo won't give them out for free only to people who own and connect both versions or whatever. If anything, those people might get them first, but I'd bet that those who stick with just the 3DS version will get them as timed, free updates or something. So they'd still get them and get them for free, just not as fast.

 

[Metal B]

And... I don't think four extra characters in the Wii U version would help the Wii U that much either.

Of course it will help. The most important part of hyping a Smash game are the characters. Nintendo would be stupid for not holding characters back and use them to hype up SSB4WiiU before its release.

I am team #4newCharakters4WiiU.

My guess is that if we do get a few more characters with the Wii U version, Nintendo won't give them out for free only to people who own and connect both versions or whatever. If anything, those people might get them first, but I'd bet that those who stick with just the 3DS version will get them as timed, free updates or something. So they'd still get them and get them for free, just not as fast.

This also my prediction. They need something to advertise the version.

 

[Ricky 7]

Have we seen Metal Face on the 3DS version yet? I don't think we have.

Maybe that rumoured 5 player Boss vs mode for Wii U is true then? =O

 

[Jintor]

Anyone got some music links?

 

[PKGaming]

They...they remixed the overworld theme from Mystery at Murasame Castle!? Seriously!? And Takamaru isn't playable why!!? ;_;

 

[Golnei]

From Smashboards. No Peach crown again sadly. Too cute for words.


Brawl holdovers.

Brawl green sleeping cap, comically oversized bow, Nurse Joy, X/Y Female Trainer hat

The new model for Jigglypuff is an immeasurable improvement. She looks fantastic; can't wait to use her myself.

They...they remixed the overworld theme from Mystery at Murasame Castle!? Seriously!? And Takamaru isn't playable why!!? ;_;

Because the Japanese fanbase have to be taunted with more characters than just Tiki.

 

[Icelandic_Jazz]

Gema going through music right now. So good. The Megaman songs.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

No they didn't.

How to get mew and mewtwo in pokemon stadium then? My childhood is pending on this. I had both unlocked due to my friends pokemon red.. I believe.

You also get an extra starter in pokemon red/blue/yellow from pokemon stadium too im remembering now.. >

 

[Hatchtag]

Why not?all can have happened in concept stsge,for a game as big as smash,concept stage can take months,especially since there were 2 versions .
Also sakurai said cleraly that no character got cut or added in development,this was the roster from the start.

Can you find a source for all these claims you're making? Becuase I could for the ones I'm making.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=121384840&postcount=8201

Initially, I had considered including Lucina as one of Marth's alternate costumes.

She was intended to be an alt costume and changed from it. This likely happened with doc and dark pit as well.

 

[JoeM86]

How to get mew and mewtwo in pokemon stadium then? My childhood is pending on this. I had both unlocked due to my friends pokemon red.. I believe.

You also get an extra starter in pokemon red/blue/yellow from pokemon stadium too im remembering now.. >

Mewtwo and Mew were never given in Stadium. Go to my site for a list of the gifts (I can't link to it, the last time I did, a mod yelled at me)

Mewtwo is obtained in-game in RBY in Cerulean Cave
Mew was only given at events. The only times it has been obtainable in-game is Emerald (which needed an event to unlock the item) and Pokémon Ranch/DP