Karsticles
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Are you wired?
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U |OT2| Only Game Where You Can Beat Up The Duck Hunt Dog
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Cyberman65
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GGs. Yeah, the input lag was heavy. Probably since I'm on the east coast. I was about to ask you on why you were doing full jabs with him.
Really liked your Charizard and Greninja. Barely get to play against them. And, thanks! It's two of the few I'm working on!Anonymous Tipster
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Alright, I'm back a little early Cronox. I'll get my stuff set up, let me know when you're ready!
Karsticles
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Sometimes, during a stream, I hear a commentator say "Oooo, he didn't DI that" off of something like a back throw that kills. How do they know that?
UltraChingon
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Ya i am wired. I only get to play locals a few times a month so started to play online. Not a fan of for glory unfortunately. Mustard up the courage to ask gaf since I lurk all day here anyways. I can also record the matched next time.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
For people who want to challenge me for Ranbat. Please private message me if it's possible since i have been busy lately.
Nah, you did fine. I had to call it at some point, fighting Yoshi for too long a length of time is really demoralizing for me. So hard to punish... I literally cannot believe that you got those couple shield breaks on me in various matches. It's like his down b chains into itself.
Give me a few minutes and we can go...
NamikazeBurst
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Ha, that was after our first three battles, and I lost all three. I posted that right after I self-destructed with a Yoshi Bomb. I never do that, and I did it like three times in our matches.
By the end we were pretty even. Good games. I don't play many Bowsers, especially since not many people here and on For Glory use him. If there is a character I am a pro against, it is Captain Falcon. For Glory has so many Captain Falcons...
You got plenty of punishes in. No matter who I am against, I walk right into shield grabs. And a bunch of your usmashes. Down-B is weird. I can get a straight middle landing with it, and no shield break. A little to the side, and the shield breakers. I don't know if it has to be not perfectly in the middle. Dying from a shield break is better than dying from jumping into a down-b, which is pretty funny when it happens.
What was with that match where you just stood still? You still got a life off of me xD
Good luck against Tipster.
Shamrock7r
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Take Ness's Bthrow. Ideally you want to DI towards the top corner to give you maximum horizontal distance. If a person is thrown horizontally to the side, not near that corner, that would be considered bad di or "Didn't DI"
Karsticles
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Wait. You can influence the opponent's direction after a throw?
Shamrock7r
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No, the opponent can influence the direction, which is what the commentators are saying. The opponent being thrown didn't DI correctly
Anonymous Tipster
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Karsticles
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Why do I, as the thrown player, want to get "max horizontal distance"? Wouldn't that just kill me earlier. I'm sure I'm misunderstanding you, though.
NamikazeBurst
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I don't understand it either. I thought with a throw, you always wanted to DI in the opposite direction you're being thrown.
Anonymous Tipster
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He means the maximum distance from the blast zone. So that you, as the throwee have the longest time to regain control.
Karsticles
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That's what I thought was wanted.
So commentators know based on the angle post-throw - got it.
Shamrock7r
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It's quite simple. The more angled your trajectory, the longer it takes for you to get there.
A straight left and right trajectory to the blast zone is closer than an angled trajectory towards the top left or top right corner of the blast zone.
So when they say the person being thrown didn't DI, they are saying that they didn't DI towards a corner.
Karsticles
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But when Ness throws me, I go up-right. Wouldn't I want to DI down-left?
Shamrock7r
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You go in the direction with the most distance to travel, whatever control stick direction that requires.
Karsticles
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Wouldn't that be toward Ness? I thought DI influenced which direction you are going, so DIing toward the blast zone is just going to get me killed sooner.
Not the opposite, but perpendicular to the trajectory you're thrown. For example if you're thrown completely horizontal, you'd best hold down so it arcs to the south giving you more distance to cover before hitting the blast zone
Shamrock7r
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I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. Ness bthrows you to the right. Ideally where do you want your character to fly? The answer is the top right corner. That doesn't mean hold the control stick forward
Cyberman65
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Sorry, didn't see your post. Do you want to play now?
Karsticles
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Why wouldn't I hold bottom-left, though? Or even just up? That's the part I'm not getting. Why hold right?
NamikazeBurst
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Oh, I guess I have been doing it wrong this whole time. I prefer vectoring. It was so much easier to understand, and that is probably what I have continued trying to do.
Shamrock7r
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I never said hold right. Your original question asked how commentators know when a person doesn't di, and the answer was based on the trajectory they are tossed. What direction you press on the control stick is dependent on the throw and where you want to be thrown, but the original question has nothing to do with the control stick. The commentators just watch the trajectory
Sure, still around?
Shamrock7r
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Karsticles, I think you may be thinking that vectoring is still a thing. If I am being thrown right, holding left doesn't really do anything. It doesn't slow the momentum. It's more about vertical direction. If you are thrown straight up, it's more about changing your horizontal direction.
Anonymous Tipster
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Good games Cronox! You're really good! It's fucking terrifying trying to land while there's a Bowser waiting for you...
Did you want to play any friendlies or?
Did you want to play any friendlies or?
GGs. I need to take a break... Another time.
Cyberman65
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Yeah, you can host.
Karsticles
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This is why it was confusing:
When you say you are "DI"ing toward the top corner, that makes it sound like I should be holding the corner instead of just up. Otherwise you could just say "DI up".
Anyway, thanks for explaining.
That Megaman matchup is demoralizing.
Anonymous Tipster
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Let's suppose ness throws you in a 30 degree angle to the right. You need to hold up and left perpendicular to go higher, meaning it'll have to cross more distance in order to die.
I'll join
direct_quote
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I'll play some games..
Anonymous Tipster
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Between Yoshi and Mega Man, yeah, I'm just going to get some work done for a bit and come back later... hopefully refreshed.
Karsticles
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I am up for this in 10 minutes or so.We could do some legit 2v2s if you can get Karst to play
But DQ has to promise to TRY the custom set I want him to use.
Hmm, I don't have problems with Yoshi. Did you record any matches?
direct_quote
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We had some shakey ones versus Twilt and RQ, because I kept setting Bowser on fireWe could do some legit 2v2s if you can get Karst to play
, but if he's up to it I'm game.what set?I am up for this in 10 minutes or so.
But DQ has to promise to TRY the custom set I want him to use.
Hmm, I don't have problems with Yoshi. Did you record any matches?
Karsticles
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Any Thoron (all are good)We had some shakey ones versus Twilt and RQ, because I kept setting Bowser on fire
what set?
Fire Wall (Arcfire)
Distance Nosferatu
Default Up B (though I think the angled one might be something you would like - have you tried it?)
Make 3 sets. One for each Arcfire variant, and let's experiment with all 3 to find the best option. Me running in to shield while you use the explosive one might be good, too.
Shamrock7r
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I will join the 2v2 if there is room
Karsticles
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Not sure about 2v2 with Boney, though. I can't even stand 1v1 against his connection.
Anonymous Tipster
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Oh man, what a finish!
Shamrock7r
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anonymous tipster, apparently every dreads us teaming together. We have to try it out and see how annoying we would actually be, lol
Karsticles
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I am fine with you + Tipster. Here to learn, not to win.
Does DQ agree to my set idea, though?
No, I only ever think to record matches where I just destroyed my opponent. Probably should be doing the opposite. I'll save some the next time. On the plus side, I have enough material for a pretty good Jigglypuff combo video...
We could hope it was a bad day the other dayNot sure about 2v2 with Boney, though. I can't even stand 1v1 against his connection.
I'll stay for 3 more 1v1 and you guys can have your 2v2.
Need to work on something anyways
Yeah was great, but only because it was duck hunt you died
Anonymous Tipster
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Haha that would be something! I'm definitely up for trying it sometime! Boneys my partner for the tourny though and I think he's in on these 2v2s at the moment!