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[Jonm1010]

If you can't bring yourself to vote for Hillary or Bernie then at least, for fuck's sake, show up and vote the rest of the ballot. It's especially important that we undo the colossal fuckup that was the 2010 election. The Tea Party Senators who were elected that year are up for election now (it's a six year term) and they absolutely need to get lost.

It is honestly baffling to me how liberals in such large numbers can currently be simultaneously much more informed on so many issues yet be so profoundly ignorant in comparison about the necessity and value of rallying around the lesser of two evils and showing up for elections.

You want Bernie?? So do I in a perfect world. But guess what? If he doesn't win the answer isn't to take my ball and go home. The answer is to move on to the next best choice because apathy and non-participation is functionally on the same level as just voting for the opposition.

Get the fuck out with any and all attempts at rationalizing your temper tantrum to try and justify such dumb fuckery. If you act like a petulant child, as you say, you truly never cared enough to begin with.

 

[Russ T]

By your logic, Bernie failed to motivate. Is that how you feel?

Can't speak for the other guy, but it's definitely how I feel. If Bernie had been better at communicating why he's fighting for what he's fighting for - what the results of his desired changes would be - I think this would barely be a contest. But he was really bad at communication early on. There were enough people who bought in early on to cause a growth spurt in his base, but had he been campaigning with the right message from day one? Hoo boy, this thread would be a very different one.

(I want Bernie to win, if it isn't obvious.)

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

actually, the whole reason i posted is because someone said exactly that.

Why are you so focused on who black people are voting for? Last I looked, we weren't the majority

 

[Hylian7]

Assuming this turns out to be Hillary vs Trump (I want to believe Bernie can get the nom, but it's probably not happening), this makes me extremely nervous.

If it was Trump vs Bernie, I think Bernie would probably win. With Trump vs Hillary, a lot of people don't like Hillary and want to vote specifically against her. Of course that would mean voting Trump, which if the number of people that either support Trump or have the anti-Hillary mindset is high enough, then we are big trouble.

If Cruz were to win the GOP nomination, just replace Trump with Cruz and we have the same shitty situation, maybe even worse because you know damn well that Cruz's platform is going to be more Hillary FUD-based than it is now.

I don't particularly care for Hillary, but I will still vote for her as she is still acceptable to me. I would rather have Bernie, but I guess we can't have everything.

Bernard pls save us.

Spoiler

It's not gonna happen.

 

[eyeball_kid]

Royalan did say it, actually. That said, I thought it was an excellent and insightful post and this response to it has not dissuaded me. Expecting credit for marching in civil rights marches is like expecting praise for emptying the dishwasher.

I don't know who would be expecting "praise" from it. I think what it shows is that Bernie has cared about social justice issues since his early days, and stood up with minorities at a time when there wasn't exactly many white people doing that. (I say "white" people because people always say Bernie is a white guy even though technically he's a minority as a man of Jewish descent)

So I think it just makes a statement about his character and heart. People can take away from that what they will, but I doubt Bernie would ever expect or want praise for it. He's barely even brought it up during the campaign.

 

[neurosisxeno]

You want Bernie?? So do I in a perfect world. But guess what? If he doesn't win the answer isn't to take my ball and go home. The answer is to move on to the next best choice because apathy and non-participation is functionally on the same level as just voting for the opposition.

Realistically, most people who voted for Bernie in the Primary are going to vote for Hillary in the General. Especially if Trump is the nominee. There are certain places where a vote for Not-Hillary could be justified though--I live in VT and it's probably unlikely if a lot of us voted for the Green Party Hillary would lose. We love Bernie, but we're not that stupid...

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

It is honestly baffling to me how liberals in such large numbers can currently be simultaneously much more informed on so many issues yet be so profoundly ignorant in comparison about the necessity and value of rallying around the lesser of two evils and showing up for elections.

You want Bernie?? So do I in a perfect world. But guess what? If he doesn't win the answer isn't to take my ball and go home. The answer is to move on to the next best choice because apathy and non-participation is functionally on the same level as just voting for the opposition.

Sadly, I know someone like this. He's a huge fan of the Pauls and if his specific guy isn't on the ballot, he won't vote. Actually, I don't think this guy has ever voted. I find that not voting is worse than voting, especially when the shittiest of human beings benefit from you not voting (such as republicans trying different things to make it hard for you to vote).

 

[MThanded]

Are there any other dems in here who are unaligned? I'm fine with either candidate. I'll be happy to give either of them support.

 

[Officerrob]

Are there any other dems in here who are unaligned? I'm fine with either candidate. I'll be happy to give either of them support.

I'm only pro Hillary because I'm pro Obama (and it's obvious he prefers her). I'm good either way

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Are there any other dems in here who are unaligned? I'm fine with either candidate. I'll be happy to give either of them support.

Yeah, I would have had no problem with Clinton or Sanders. It's funny how people assume I'm all in for one or the other depending on whose post I respond to.

A lot of people don't have the luxury of holding out for the perfect candidate because our lives are affected more heavily by who's in the seat.

 

[Tesseract]

It's not like Hillary has been a media darling since day 1, with unlimited pocket money and contacts that run long and deep.

I think many swing State Democrats will jump ship to Trump, we'll see. Everyone in florida loves Trump, hates Hillary.

 

[allan-bh]

Assuming this turns out to be Hillary vs Trump (I want to believe Bernie can get the nom, but it's probably not happening), this makes me extremely nervous.

If it was Trump vs Bernie, I think Bernie would probably win. With Trump vs Hillary, a lot of people don't like Hillary and want to vote specifically against her. Of course that would mean voting Trump, which if the number of people that either support Trump or have the anti-Hillary mindset is high enough, then we are big trouble.

If Cruz were to win the GOP nomination, just replace Trump with Cruz and we have the same shitty situation, maybe even worse because you know damn well that Cruz's platform is going to be more Hillary FUD-based than it is now.

I don't particularly care for Hillary, but I will still vote for her as she is still acceptable to me. I would rather have Bernie, but I guess we can't have everything.

Bernard pls save us.

Spoiler

It's not gonna happen.

Cruz is an easy win for Hillary, he's running as a very conservative candidate so is predictable how the electoral map will be. Trump adds more unpredictability to the race, I think Hillary probably win against him, but is not a certain.

About Bernie, decent super tuesday, but he hasn't a path to the nomination.

 

[captive]

Why are you so focused on who black people are voting for? Last I looked, we weren't the majority

why are you so concerned with my posts while simultaneously moving the requirements of me posting in this thread? First you tell me to go project elsewhere because no one said that, i show you exactly where someone said exactly that and its changed to well why do you care anyway, we're not the majority.

I care because i dont like the way minorities are treated in this country, from the policing, to the judicial system, to the workforce, is that alright with you? I am someone that wants everyone to have the same opportunities and get treated the same.
My overall point was if that is your concerned with minority issues then IMO hillary should not be your candidate. And as said in my previous post, if she's still your candidate fine, vote for who you want.

 

[RedShift]

Glad Bernie won 4 states and basically tied another (before I went to bed GAF was saying he'd only win VT, had me worried)

He's probably still going to lose, but I think him staying in a bit longer is good for US politics.

 

[BudokaiMR2]

I don't know who would be expecting "praise" from it. I think what it shows is that Bernie has cared about social justice issues since his early days, and stood up with minorities at a time when there wasn't exactly many white people doing that. (I say "white" people because people always say Bernie is a white guy even though technically he's a minority as a man of Jewish descent)

So I think it just makes a statement about his character and heart. People can take away from that what they will, but I doubt Bernie would ever expect or want praise for it. He's barely even brought it up during the campaign.

This is how I feel. It really feels petty to try and downplay it especially when you take into account the social atmosphere of the time.

And yes, it just proves he has always had a strong moral compass for his whole life. That is why I feel like it is an important point.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Glad Bernie won 4 states and basically tied another (before I went to bed GAF was saying he'd only win VT, had me worried)

He's probably still going to lose, but I think him staying in a bit longer is good for US politics.

There's a lot of states to go.

 

[SneakersSO]

I am not a fan of Hillary in the slightest, but the idea that politicians need to entice you to actually fulfill one of the only important responsibilities available as a citizen is complete BS.

Your vote is a way to have at least some say in the betterment (or worsening for some assholes) of our society.

Trying to shift your own personal responsibility to vote onto a candidate is just complete bullshit. If you want to abstain or write in a candidate to no effect that is totally up to you, even if both are terrible ideas. However please don't try to absolve yourself of the responsibility by blaming a candidate for not 'drumming up your interest'. Own up to it and just admit you don't give a fuck at the very least.

Get the fuck outta here with this perfect pie in the sky thinking. The world kinda fucking sucks and sometimes compromises have to be made.

No, I meant the candidate her or himself, has not done the work of convincing you that they should be your pick for President of the United States. They are campaigning, putting their best foot forward, trying to appease any and all reservations and concerns about them as a candidate. If we have severe concerns about her, and she can't convince us that they are moot, why should we vote for her? Just cause?

Meanwhile, several independent and one democratic candidate have convinced me to vote for them as my President of the United States. So one of them will be who I vote for. Period. Again, I will be voting on election night for a candidate whose policies I agree with, and who I can stand behind as a person. Many others feel the same way. These candidates have done their job in convincing us to vote for them.

I have fully said the reason I am not voting for Hillary is because I do not believe in her as a candidate, nor do I believe she has the betterment of many of this nation's poor and suffering at heart. It's not just a matter of not being interested; it'a a matter of not agreeing with her as a politician.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Bernie isn't exciting *his* base enough to beat Hillary, let alone Trump. Youth vote is as low as ever, 'revolution' or not. Hillary is doing just fine - the 'get money out of politics' message isn't resonating with people who have much different concerns on their minds.

You're absolutely right, he's done a poor job at galvanizing the youth, getting them to actually vote in the primaries.

As for calling a Stein vote a form of protest, this may be true for some. For me, she's likely getting CPUSA's endorsement.

 

[LizardKing]

My candidate's (Bernie) biggest issue by far is getting corporate money out of politics.

Out of Hillary and Trump, only one is taking in huge amounts of corporate donations and SuperPAC money. And it's not Trump.

But sure, keep telling me I don't care about issues, I'm a moron, and I don't care about black people. The belittlement is only confirming my Trump vote, and it's not winning anyone over to your cause.

LOL. Who do you think is going to literally run the country if Trump is elected. Businessmen, Trump himself and Trump's buddies as he likes to say. Yeah, they'll get the corporate money out of politics.

Edit: oh, I see that was already laughed at. NM.

 

[eyeball_kid]

It's not like Hillary has been a media darling since day 1, with unlimited pocket money and contacts that run long and deep.

I think many swing State Democrats will jump ship to Trump, we'll see. Everyone in florida loves Trump, hates Hillary.

Yeah, I gotta say, I have a lot of conservative family members in different states, and while they have differing political views, the one thing they agree on is that the only Democrat they hate more than Obama is Hillary. If Hillary is in the general, it's going to be a real slog for her. And I think a Hillary win or a Trump win will leave the country very divided, rancorous, and unable to get anything done.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

why are you so concerned with my posts while simultaneously moving the requirements of me posting in this thread? First you tell me to go project elsewhere because no one said that, i show you exactly where someone said exactly that and its changed to well why do you care anyway, we're not the majority.

I care because i dont like the way minorities are treated in this country, from the policing, to the judicial system, to the workforce, is that alright with you? I am someone that wants everyone to have the same opportunities and get treated the same.
My overall point was if that is your concerned with minority issues then IMO hillary should not be your candidate. And as said in my previous post, if she's still your candidate fine, vote for who you want.

What you don't seem to be understanding is that someone who's not a minority telling them what's best for them is not really appreciated.

As the numbers are bearing out, Sanders will not be in the GE. This makes me neither happy nor sad as I was prepared to vote for either. There is a not-very-veiled air of contempt for the black electorate because Sanders is not pulling numbers, and in light of the overall numbers and the youth voter turnout, it's pretty misguided.

Now, you may be coming from a place of genuine concern and you may not have been keeping up with this and other threads, but this is the atmosphere in which we're operating.

Besada, I apologize if this is derailing but I wanted to clear this up.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Yeah, I gotta say, I have a lot of conservative family members in different states, and while they have differing political views, the one thing they agree on is that the only Democrat they hate more than Obama is Hillary. If Hillary is in the general, it's going to be a real slog for her. And I think a Hillary win or a Trump win will leave the country very divided, rancorous, and unable to get anything done.

More divided than we are now? That'd be fucked...

 

[Foffy]

Sigh, so it turns out in the end that you agree with me. Of course I meant in this climate. All of my posts tonight have been in regards to working with the electorate that we have. Politics is a strong and slow boring of hard boards. The ACA, among many good things, opened the marketplace, the first step to getting rid of employer-based health-care which is where it all started to go wrong for America.

This climate, it's fine, as I said. I can absorb that without feeling queasy about it. Beyond that is where I start to distance myself from calling it "reasonable."

I called you out on the ACA in particular because no fucking Democrat has gone on record, save for Sanders (and he's not really a Democrat blind-party-wise), and has said the ACA, while an improvement, is just not good enough. I grow greatly alarmed at how mainstream Democrats treat the ACA as a gold standard, a panacea of all of the ills this system hasn't even tried to get rid of. I can't stand that, because you're either blindly for the system, or in the case of progressives/Republicans, want the halcyon days to return. Nobody is really talking about what's still rooted that the ACA by design has not even considered to deal with. It's why I was as hyperbolic as I was to you calling it reasonable. Reasonable to me is an accountable model. We obviously lack this.

In this climate though, I get it: criticizing the model merely gives fuel for the idiots on the right to burn the whole thing down. But I feel much of what we have, right now, is like that tale of The Emperor's New Clothes, and I just roll my eyes when people infer what we have is anything even whispering the words "compassionate," "encompassing," or "humanistic." It really makes me feel we're settling for less and allowing a projected framework to cause illogical problems and suffering onto others. In a society that says it wants to care for its people, America is a puzzling one at even accomplishing this. It can't even get that right without making it worthless...

Hope my ramble explains why I called you out about being in another universe. I wish the enemies of reason were somewhere else, but instead, we're stuck with religious, bootstrapping fools who have larger ghosts in their minds and attitudes about the world than the amount of minorities, gays, and women they oppress.

 

[HylianTom]

Are there any other dems in here who are unaligned? I'm fine with either candidate. I'll be happy to give either of them support.

I lean Hillary, but voted Trump in my primary so that whomever the Dems nominate will have an easier opponent. I'll be happy to line-up in support of either candidate in November, and I don't mock anyone for supporting who they like in the primary; my venom comes to those in swing states who want to throw tantrums when they don't get the candidate of their choice.

The House is likely to remain in Republican hands through 2022 (when 2020's newly-redistricted maps take effect), so I have to chuckle at the unspoken assumption among the debaters here that a Bernie administration could look remarkably different from a Hillary administration, as far as legislation is concerned. The House Republicans are going to obstruct the work of anyone with a 'D' behind his or her name.

This election is going to be for the judiciary. There is a good chance that the Democrats could gain control of the White House and the Senate at the same time, allowing for stacking of the judiciary.

Do we want to reduce the influence of corporate money in our political system? In that case, this is our chance to get judges in place to kill Citizens United.

Are corporations persons?

How about the viability of unions?

Environmental regulations? EPA actions?

There have been a number of 5-4 decisions over the past few decades that could be reversed in the progressive direction.

Even if the person nominating judges is flawed, the liberal judges he/she appoints will pay-off handsomely for decades, protecting against excesses of the GOP/corporate government - and also protecting progressive achievements when the GOP and its corporate allies file inevitable court challenges.

If you claim to care about a progressive vision, the choice in November is pretty damn clear. This isn't shaming or an emotional appeal; this is the reality of how our system is structured.

 

[Jonm1010]

Realistically, most people who voted for Bernie in the Primary are going to vote for Hillary in the General. Especially if Trump is the nominee. There are certain places where a vote for Not-Hillary could be justified though--I live in VT and it's probably unlikely if a lot of us voted for the Green Party Hillary would lose. We love Bernie, but we're not that stupid...

There is never a justification IMO. Only three reasons I can ever see someone arguing outside of misguided ignorance. 1.) You are doing it to create turmoil for your default party in hopes of teaching them a lesson by risking or costing them a state. Under the ignorant premise that such change can only be achieved, or is best achieved, by such a strategy. 2.) A person naively thinks a third party vote can win a national election. 3.) it stems from a self serving place knowing it won't actually achieve anything functionally but for some reason satisfies on a personal level.

The 3rd point, of course, relies on the premise that most people aren't stupid enough to follow down such a path of protest voting so it wouldn't actually create a problem for any given state but it makes a person engaging in it smugly happy on a personal level. A political special snowflake syndrome if you will, that such a person thinks they can use for perceived future street cred.

 

[eyeball_kid]

More divided than we are now? That'd be fucked...

Well, yeah it's hard to imagine, but Hillary to them is an Obama 3rd term, on top of it being Hillary. Just imagine Hillary trying to nominate a Supreme Court justice and getting it through. Part of the problem is, the political tone has already gone into the gutter on the right, and if Trump is the nom it'll be a brutal, crass mess. It's not like that will just stop if Hillary wins. It won't be pretty.

On the other hand, if Trump wins it'll be much more of a question mark. Congress will be a complete disaster if it remains GOP. Will they rally around Trump, revolt? We're already seeing the fractures in the party, with some establishment figures saying they won't support Trump. So that isn't an environment for doing the country's work. Then again, maybe the best we can hope for is a revolt by the GOP against a President Trump, because I shudder to think of the alternative.

 

[chuckddd]

Everyone in florida loves Trump, hates Hillary.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Well, yeah it's hard to imagine, but Hillary to them is an Obama 3rd term, on top of it being Hillary. Just imagine Hillary trying to nominate a Supreme Court justice and getting it through. Part of the problem is, the political tone has already gone into the gutter on the right, and if Trump is the nom it'll be a brutal, crass mess. It's not like that will just stop if Hillary wins. It won't be pretty.

On the other hand, if Trump wins it'll be much more of a question mark. Congress will be a complete disaster if it remains GOP. Will they rally around Trump, revolt? We're already seeing the fractures in the party, with some establishment figures saying they won't support Trump. So that isn't an environment for doing the country's work. Then again, maybe the best we can hope for is a revolt by the GOP against a President Trump, because I shudder to think of the alternative.

So basically everything is kind of fuck-all either way. No one working with Hillary at all since she's basically be another term for Obama and congress possibly fighting Trump during his whole presidency, almost like a mutiny. I'd rather take Hillary, mainly because it will still show how fucking incompetent the GOP controlled congress really is, hurting the GOP more.

 

[Kamaji]

Just out of curiousity. Does Cruz actually stand a chance/risk still?

I mean if you look at the delegate estimates him and Trump are not that far apart. However it looks like most of the southern states have had their primaries by now.

Are there big/important states that lean Cruz that hasn't voted?

 

[eBay Huckster]

Realistically, most people who voted for Bernie in the Primary are going to vote for Hillary in the General. Especially if Drumpf is the nominee. There are certain places where a vote for Not-Hillary could be justified though--I live in VT and it's probably unlikely if a lot of us voted for the Green Party Hillary would lose. We love Bernie, but we're not that stupid...

...Now I wanna see Jill Stein win Vermont, damn it.

 

[Mrbob]

Yeah, I gotta say, I have a lot of conservative family members in different states, and while they have differing political views, the one thing they agree on is that the only Democrat they hate more than Obama is Hillary. If Hillary is in the general, it's going to be a real slog for her. And I think a Hillary win or a Trump win will leave the country very divided, rancorous, and unable to get anything done.

Depends on what the Republicans do at the convention. Mitch Mcconnell might burn the party to the ground if he strong arms an overturn of the Trump election. We might see this country turn blue all over faster than anytime in the past.

 

[captive]

What you don't seem to be understanding is that someone who's not a minority telling them what's best for them is not really appreciated.

A) i dont know if the person i originally quoted is even a minority or not. I was speaking to anyone who claims to care about minority treatment in this country, white, brown, green whatever.
B) i dont know who's a minority or not at all on this forum.
C) i really dont give a crap, i'm allowed to have an opinion on the matter, just like everyone else on this board.

As the numbers are bearing out, Sanders will not be in the GE. This makes me neither happy nor sad as I was prepared to vote for either. There is a not-very-veiled air of contempt for the black electorate because Sanders is not pulling numbers, and in light of the overall numbers and the youth voter turnout, it's pretty misguided.

Now, you may be coming from a place of genuine concern and you may not have been keeping up with this and other threads, but this is the atmosphere in which we're operating.

Besada, I apologize if this is derailing but I wanted to clear this up.

I have no contempt towards any voters, i made my point twice already so i wont be reiterating it.

 

[Keasar]

So a lot of Swedish news sites are talking about that the big winners tonight was Hillary and Trump, does that mean Sanders is completely out or did they decide to skip ahead a few steps until all results are in?

 

[eBay Huckster]

So a lot of Swedish news sites are talking about that the big winners tonight was Hillary and Drumpf, does that mean Sanders is completely out or did they decide to skip ahead a few steps until all results are in?

Clinton's a big winner in the sense that her pledged delegate lead is now approximately 250 instead of 25.

Sanders is in for a minimum of the rest of this month.

 

[KingSnake]

https://twitter.com/colincornaby/status/704875956628955137

💀💀💀

Ruthless win.

 

[Eric C]

Did I see something like Hillary now has the popular vote by over 1 million+ votes compared to Bernie? I think I did somewhere.

Hillary Clinton also is now about 200 delegates ahead of Bernie Sanders. With polls suggesting by March 15th her delegate lead will only INCREASE.
And those numbers above don't count SuperDelegates, so they can't be blamed her now insurmountable lead.


If I'm remembering right, Obama in 2008 NEVER had a delegate lead as high. And he certainly didn't right after Super Tuesday 2008, I think Obama's peak delegate lead not counting supers was somewhere around 100+ delegates. I might be wrong though. And Hillary did go on somewhat of a little winning streak at one stage during the primary too, but she was NEVER able to catch up to his delegate advantage.


*sigh* If 2008 is anything to go by, we have now entered the slow death march stage of the primary campaign. Where one campaign will continue to go on, and on, and on, despite knowing it has now become a lost cause.

All I can say is bring on the GE, I'm ready for that fight. I personally find primaries exhausting, and I'd rather see that fight to win energy go towards the GE. But if people want to continue the primary who am I to tell them what to do.

 

[dolemite]

The best election year in a long fuking while.

 

[Keasar]

The best election year in a long fuking while.

And the most important in American history!

Like in 2012.

And back in 2008.

And 2004.

Also 2000.

And the one before that.

Spoiler

Also before that.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

The most important election in US history will be the final one, and only identifiable in retrospect

 

[televator]

Royalan did say it, actually. That said, I thought it was an excellent and insightful post and this response to it has not dissuaded me. Expecting credit for marching in civil rights marches is like expecting praise for emptying the dishwasher.

I've never heard of someone going so far as to get arrested for using a dishwasher...

What is up with people wanting to paint Bernie's civil rights record with a galling condescending and smug attititude? Like "Yeah, but what has Bernie done for me lately?" or "You don't get a cookie for not being an asshole."

Not being an asshole, is sitting at home, eating Cheerios and not bugging anybody. That's a few steps down the rung from giving enough of a damn for what you believe in to march along side the oppressed, be confronted by authority, and be arrested. People trying to trivialize anyone's record for participating in important social movements, are actually being assholes.

 

[hidys]

So has anyone called Alaska yet or is it still up in the air?

 

[foxuzamaki]

Did I see something like Hillary now has the popular vote by over 1 million+ votes compared to Bernie? I think I did somewhere.

Hillary Clinton also is now about 200 delegates ahead of Bernie Sanders. With polls suggesting by March 15th her delegate lead will only INCREASE.
And those numbers above don't count SuperDelegates, so they can't be blamed her now insurmountable lead.


If I'm remembering right, Obama in 2008 NEVER had a delegate lead as high. And he certainly didn't right after Super Tuesday 2008, I think Obama's peak delegate lead not counting supers was somewhere around 100+ delegates. I might be wrong though. And Hillary did go on somewhat of a little winning streak at one stage during the primary too, but she was NEVER able to catch up to his delegate advantage.


*sigh* If 2008 is anything to go by, we have now entered the slow death march stage of the primary campaign. Where one campaign will continue to go on, and on, and on, despite knowing it has now become a lost cause.

All I can say is bring on the GE, I'm ready for that fight. I personally find primaries exhausting, and I'd rather see that fight to win energy go towards the GE. But if people want to continue the primary who am I to tell them what to do.

Oh wow, what a blow out

 

[dolemite]

And the most important in American history!

Like in 2012.

And back in 2008.

And 2004.

Also 2000.

And the one before that.

Spoiler

Also before that.

All predictable and boring, unlike this one.

 

[eBay Huckster]

And the most important in American history!

Like in 2012.

And back in 2008.

And 2004.

Also 2000.

And the one before that.

Spoiler

Also before that.

Wait, 1996 was important?

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

The '96 election was Kang vs Kodos iirc

 

[eyeball_kid]

*sigh* If 2008 is anything to go by, we have now entered the slow death march stage of the primary campaign. Where one campaign will continue to go on, and on, and on, despite knowing it has now become a lost cause.

I believe Bernie won't drop out. He has a stack of cash which will probably keep growing in $27 increments, and he's able to keep Clinton pushed to the left and able to keep pushing his platform. And he'll get to make a speech at the Democratic Convention. So I think from his perspective there's no reason to quit.

And the most important in American history!

Like in 2012.
[...]
Also 2000.

Technically, 2000 was at first only important because of the Supreme Court nonsense. We only found out how bad things were going to get after 2001. If the Democrats had known the future, they might not have let Al "lockbox" Gore run as Bill Clinton's third term. Hey...wait a second...

 

[davepoobond]

All predictable and boring, unlike this one.

How could you have predicted gore v bush lol

 

[chadskin]

AP calls Alaska for Cruz.

Special shoutout to Magic Hands Carson who won State house district 38 with a crushing 41.5%, or 17 votes. And that's a wrap on Super Tuesday.

 

[davepoobond]

AP calls Alaska for Cruz.

Special shoutout to Magic Hands Carson who won State house district 38 with a crushing 41.5%, or 17 votes. And that's a wrap on Super Tuesday.

Surprised the Palin endorsement didnt work in trumps favor there.

I assume Alaska hates Palin now

 

[Sean*O]

Alaska has Texas envy. Big oil is their savior.