Super Tuesday 2016 |OT| The Final Incursion is a double Incursion (Mar 5-15 contests)
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Personality > ideology for most voters, independents especially. This is why Trump trumps his GOP competition.
maabus1999
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That has norhing to do with my point... Plus, Bernie has not been exposed to a sustained negative campaign yet. You do realize that no President in modern times has come close to winning trying to raise taxes massively as a platform.
Epsilon-delta
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The birther movement stems not from Hillary or her campaign, but her rabid supporters in 2008 from what I remember.
His ego won't allow it and he the only horse that the main GOP still has in the race.
yup, hes still losing.
I still have to give Bernie credit here though, even as a Hillary supporter. If I woke up tomorrow and someone told me that Bernie had won MI, I'd have called bullshit - that lead she had in polls was nigh insurmountable.
If only I had tossed a bunch of cash into the prediction markets...
Sorry for the tangent, but why are people trying to make yuge a thing? Why?!?!?
metalslimer
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Er...
He isnt promising anything other than pledging to keep fighting for these things with our help. He's fighting to make it part of the standard Democratic party platform again instead of the third way platform.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Should current polls be trusted (LOL!), it'd be a massive upset--not Michigan-sized upset, but still--for any of those three states to fall in Bernie's favor.
No pressure, pollsters.
VanCityGamer
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Trump is getting absolutely destroyed in Idaho. Bigger than any of his victories. Interesting.
Somewhere in a pub in Manchester there is a bookie crying because he is paying out big bucks to a drunk over this race.
Yeah I keep seeing people count states, but that doesn't matter as much as delegates. Even when bernie won 3 out of 4 the other day, the one he lost was big enough that the delegates shifted in Hilarys favor.
To be fair, Hillary isn't entirely intersectional herself when she wants to uphold rather than transition away from capitalism. An egalitarian society cannot be built without replacing capitalism with socialism - it must be one of the primary planks of an intersectional analysis.
maabus1999
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Clinton has double the lead in both pledged and super than Obama had at the same point in time.....and the Internet existed in 2008 too. All Bernie can accomplish now is help fashion the overall democratic platform.
metalslimer
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Well the good news is that Bernie won't get crushed anymore. The problem is that even if he keeps winning like he did tonight it won't make up the gap. But if the voters keep him close than he should stay in
It's funnier if you're from NY, or know a lot of New Yorkers. At least in my case.
ugaboga232
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TBH i think his more important analysis is less economic issues (thats his 2nd issue) its that the whole political system is heavily influenced by money which is why we have big problems in a ton of fields. He does talk about institutional racism and honestly I think he is just a crappy speaker because he gives hints of the truth that there is more than wall street but i think its back to corrupt campaign/election system which taints everything.
Are you really going there dude? That's not even funny.
And for the record, a scenario like that would almost guarantee the opposite party winning the nomination, hands down.
I am from New York originally.... But.... Why?!?!?
I don't think we're going to get to socialism through a revolutionary act, I think we're going to get there via the Scandinavian route, with increasing layers of protection and empowerment for workers through social programs until they're immune to the lash of hunger.
That will basically keep looking like capitalism until it stops being capitalism, and it can be built right on top of the existing system.
I'm quoting Queen Hillary Clinton in 2008.
Same thing happened in Obama 2008. I think voters fell for it then but, outside of youth, probably don't trust antiestablishment rhetoric that much anymore. President has a lot of power but not with deadlocked congress.
Vestal
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Leona Lewis
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lol Rachel Maddow with the ultimate solution to Marco Rubio's post-election unemployment problem:
"He should run in Puerto Rico!"
I didn't think there would be a bigger loser out of this whole circus than Jeb, but Rubio's coming close, fast.
"He should run in Puerto Rico!"
I didn't think there would be a bigger loser out of this whole circus than Jeb, but Rubio's coming close, fast.
He's probably going to pick up some delegates in Hawaii.
moffattron9000
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At the federal level, the Democrats have a severe lack of youth. As a result of this, they need to get more names out there that the public can get to know, and more people that could run a campaign in 2020 or 2024.
benicillin
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Post of the night right here. Every time I see someone quote it without understanding the context I smile.
I truly think that's why a lot of Obama voters are actually supporting her this time lol. They saw what shit he had to put up with and know that Bernie isn't getting shit done.
ilikesanta
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ha!
Already Torn
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We all forgot about that, you monster.
theshizzle
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This is what happens when the people decide. How many people have, in previous elections, said "eh, I'm not gonna vote, all the politicians are the same" or "eh, it's a waste of time, voting won't change anything".
Bernie is telling us that if we stand up as a collective, we can accomplish great things.
I'm very happy and proud of what he's accomplished, but it's important to remember that it's not about him. It's about us.
Bernie is telling us that if we stand up as a collective, we can accomplish great things.
I'm very happy and proud of what he's accomplished, but it's important to remember that it's not about him. It's about us.
If he stays in -- to what end? I haven't looked up the rules in a while but I thought it was just decided by a majority of delegates.
It keeps growing. If NC goes the way of SC, that's like 78~ Delegates for her to 28~ for Sanders.
Similar results in Florida equal 154~ for her, 56~ for Bernie
Then you look at states like Ohio where he stands a chance, but again it won't be a huge win, so he'll hardly make out with any huge deleagte advantage.
15th will be a bloodbath.
And Bernie has been fighting for minority rights since he was a teenager. His emphasis on income inequality and economic strife is not confirmation of a misunderstanding of deeper racial issues, rather it is him prioritising something that scientifically and factually negatively impacts countless social factors for all people, in all areas, not just minorities, but something that happens to be detrimental to minorities especially, as a result of socio economics and things related.
I refer back to this post of mine just yesterday.
nib95 said:
I don't think that's it at all, I think he just realises how intrinsic income equality is to so many countless social factors, and puts a certain degree of priority on it (with good reason). Whilst this research is out of date (and is actually worse off today since such a large portion of the rich essentially continuously got vastly wealthier post economic crash, and with the income inequality gap presently being the highest it's been in the US since the 1920's), I think it's still highly poignant.
Richard Wilkinson: How economic inequality harms societies
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Leona Lewis
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Yeah, I wonder how many of these knee-jerkers were paying attention in 2008.
Flying Toaster
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Easy there turbo. It was a quote bash on Hilary from her 08 bid.
On a lighter note... Yes she has the delegates. But Bernies message is getting out there and that is what truly matters. I hope when he does finally step out that we as Sanders supporters are just as active during midterms.
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Mostly BS here.
Does he not talk about mass incarceration and criminal justice and policing in every single speech and debate How does Hillary show a better understanding??
Sanders wins young women by a landslide and apparently tied with Hillary with young black voters in michigan.
I know you have been following this election so this characterization seems so dishonest to me. His campaign started on income inequality, but it's like 6 months later now.
Also, no, you are not very left. That is demonstrably false. Based on your other posts you have made it clear that you are a relatively well off individual with cushy job that likes the status quo. You are pretty centrist.
You think NPR is spinning reality? Look, Bernie being behind by 200 delegates before supers, and only winning the states he wins by a few %? That's it man, it's over.
I've said this before, but it's only possible for him to win the nom like it's possible for the Browns to win the Superbowl. Technically possible, but you have to actually win a lot to get there
Gross on her part as well.
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Hasphat'sAnts
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while there's a host of reasons why you wouldn't want Bernie as your VP running mate, that's very far down the list.
Young stars come from state-level elections. Governors, Senators, Representatives. Always have, always will.
Except that voter turnout has not gone up for the democrats in this primary.
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