Superman (2025) | Review Thread

But I've hopes for Zack Levi as Shazam since he was teased with the Peacekeeper guys (and that was one of the least snyder-influenced parts), assuming Gunn can deal with the actors personal views. The Rock seems determined to be as difficult to work with as possible so while I liked him in Black Adam, I think that is over as well. Rumors about Blue Beetle guy coming back, again not very snyder centric but so long as they lose the sister, that was aight.

-from what I heard, Levi burned a lot of bridges and it had far more to it than just his political views. Maybe he'll get a cooler head and bury some hatchets, but we'll see.


-Johnson was fine as Black Adam, but refusing to be the villain for Shazam 2 despite being well aware that's what the character he's playing is best known for, and adding a ridiculous 50 million increase in that Christmas action movie by constantly showing up very late on set thus delaying production by a ton, he needs to be humbled a bit. Not saying he shouldn't have a career, but he should do some smaller roles and only get back to bigger films once he learns to be a team player


-there is plans for a Blue Beetle animated series, with the DCEU actor voicing Jaime. Since the previous film won't be canon, that version of the sister will hopefully be dropped (and the uncle, I didn't like either).

Jaime's sister in the comics is actually much younger, only a child, and has a much simpler yet effective arc. When Jaime first appears, having been lost in space for a year after he first gets the Scarab, she sees him transform and is horrified, and for a while in Jaime's series she would keep her distance from him as it was too much for someone her age. But later, when Jaime fully gets his memories of what happened to himself in space, he falls to the ground in panic with the sudden rush of remembering the traumatic event, he's screaming and crying, and his sister doesn't hesitate to rush over and give him a comforting hug.

The movie also cut out Paco and Brenda, Jaime's two best friends, which annoyed me they weren't included. So yeah, a full animated series will hopefully more closely follow the 2000's run which introduced Jaime, it's a smaller fandom but most who check it out quite enjoy it, especially as after a few into issues, a lot of issues are "self-contained" but give just little advancements to the plans of The Reach (an alien force intending to covertly take over Earth, by initially presenting themselves as peaceful ambassadors) as well as Jaime learning his powers, more strategies, etc. and all of it pays off wonderfully in issues #22-25, the Endgame arc, where all the plot threads, character growth, allies gained, etc. end up paying off.

Jaime's had some great adaptation in other DC animated shows as well, Batman: Brave and the Bold, and Young Justice, both of which did their own takes on The Reach invasion.


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I thought you put him on ignore? He didn't even quote you or anyone else here lol.

In any case he's allowed to post the interview and criticise the contents of it, as it is relevant to the topic; you're free to (actually) ignore it, no need to create a whole ass meme with mockery calling his post "desperate".
So maybe take your own advice? Actually put him on ignore and
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Also wasn't I on the ignore list? I haven't talked to you, I was not quoting you but AGAIN it's YOU coming at me. You are obsessed and then act like the victim. So go outside, touch grass and leave me alone. Keep me on ignore and give me a fuckin break.

Actually, my Watchmen meme post DIDN'T reply to you. Go look at it, do you see your post quoted in my post? You made your usual "let's criticize Gunn and his fans" noise, I simply made a separate post pointing out how Snyder fans' who behave this way in generally need to move on. Yes, it applied to you, but it was meant as a general piece of advice. You could have ignored it. But no, you then were the one who quoted me. FIRST.

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Oh, I'm sorry, what were you saying?

Liar. You're dishonest and you continue to act like you're the better person while writing a novel explaining why I'm wrong to like a movie/director over another one. Then you go on and on about irrelevant arguments to further derail the conversation. I wont stop posting because you are too sensitive.

So yeah you are a liar, a disingenuous person that should learn a few things from the comics you keep referencing. You were also fuckin insulting me WITH Mana, that's why I'm bringing this up, you are exactly the same and as I told you before you lost every once of respect and compassion I could've had for you that's why now I don't take no glove with you. I gave you multiple occasion to defuse our discussion on the past but you don't want that.

Funny, I'M "the liar", despite you blatantly lying about who directly replied to the other today first.

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Oh, and way to admit you're just judging me permanently for shit long ago that I supposedly did. You a fan of cancel culture there, buddy?

See, it's funny, what I distinctly, 100% remember is YOU apologizing to ME back then because you said that I called you a "Snyder cultist", and I said that I never called you that, and you admitted you were wrong. But now, oh no, now you're claiming I "insulted you". Yeah, that's a pretty interesting interpretation of events there.

Victim complex? Yeah, the fact that you instantly took any criticism and just assumed I had called you a "Snyder cultist", you're the one showing the victim complex.

How can you have a break when James Gunn's existence and his fans' existence clearly grinds your gears on a level many would think unreachable?
 
I thought you put him on ignore? He didn't even quote you or anyone else here lol.

In any case he's allowed to post the interview and criticise the contents of it, as it is relevant to the topic; you're free to (actually) ignore it, no need to create a whole ass meme with mockery calling his post "desperate".
So maybe take your own advice? Actually put him on ignore and
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Maybe reread the whole post back then. I said I'd be checking on him if he was up to his usual shenanigans. I also made a general post, HE was the one who chose to directly reply to me.

Also, riiiiiight, I'm sure KyoZz totally found that interview by chance instead of scouring the Internet for any "dirt" he can find. Just like how he was so quick to post those early negative reviews that got "leaked", and when someone pointed out there had been early positive reviews as well, he was all, "w-well, I didn't say there weren't any positive reviews! I just happened to only post the negative reviews! I don't have an agenda here!"

Then when the very high Rotten Tomatoes critics score came out, KyoZz "mysteriously vanished" for a while.

GEE, how "convenient".

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If bruh can spend hours digging for every little bit of shit he can throw at Gunn and his fans, I think I can make a meme that took less than a minute to make.
 
Hey, since KyoZz loves talking about Mana (meanwhile, I don't even think about him much until his haters STILL bring him up), let's see what he thinks about these movies:

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Actually, my Watchmen meme post DIDN'T reply to you. Go look at it, do you see your post quoted in my post? You made your usual "let's criticize Gunn and his fans" noise, I simply made a separate post pointing out how Snyder fans' who behave this way in generally need to move on. Yes, it applied to you, but it was meant as a general piece of advice. You could have ignored it. But no, you then were the one who quoted me. FIRST.
Oh please stop pretending THIS POST is not targeted at me FFS.


Please pretend this isn't a direct response to my post so everyone can easily see what a liar you are.

You know exactly what you are doing, disingenuous just like I said.

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Oh, I'm sorry, what were you saying?

Funny, I'M "the liar", despite you blatantly lying about who directly replied to the other today first.
Yeah sure, act like you are the victim once again.

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Oh, and way to admit you're just judging me permanently for shit long ago that I supposedly did. You a fan of cancel culture there, buddy?
No but when people call me names and never apologize yeah I keep it in mind.

See, it's funny, what I distinctly, 100% remember is YOU apologizing to ME back then because you said that I called you a "Snyder cultist", and I said that I never called you that, and you admitted you were wrong. But now, oh no, now you're claiming I "insulted you". Yeah, that's a pretty interesting interpretation of events there.

Victim complex? Yeah, the fact that you instantly took any criticism and just assumed I had called you a "Snyder cultist", you're the one showing the victim complex.
That time yes I was wrong, I can recognize when I made a mistake.

How can you have a break when James Gunn's existence and his fans' existence clearly grinds your gears on a level many would think unreachable?
Please report me mister liar. I'm waiting.

Maybe reread the whole post back then. I said I'd be checking on him if he was up to his usual shenanigans. I also made a general post, HE was the one who chose to directly reply to me.

Also, riiiiiight, I'm sure KyoZz totally found that interview by chance instead of scouring the Internet for any "dirt" he can find. Just like how he was so quick to post those early negative reviews that got "leaked", and when someone pointed out there had been early positive reviews as well, he was all, "w-well, I didn't say there weren't any positive reviews! I just happened to only post the negative reviews! I don't have an agenda here!"

Then when the very high Rotten Tomatoes critics score came out, KyoZz "mysteriously vanished" for a while.

GEE, how "convenient".

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If bruh can spend hours digging for every little bit of shit he can throw at Gunn and his fans, I think I can make a meme that took less than a minute to make.
Believe whatever you want mister liar.

Also anyone thinking RT is any proof of a good movie can't be taken seriously IMO. You do you, but this is a clown website (also go look who is owning RT, you'll be surprised).

I swear I'm gonna be the one reporting him.
 
Oh please stop pretending THIS POST is not targeted at me FFS.


Please pretend this isn't a direct response to my post so everyone can easily see what a liar you are.

You know exactly what you are doing, disingenuous just like I said.


Yeah sure, act like you are the victim once again.


No but when people call me names and never apologize yeah I keep it in mind.


That time yes I was wrong, I can recognize when I made a mistake.


Please report me mister liar. I'm waiting.


Believe whatever you want mister liar.

Also anyone thinking RT is any proof of a good movie can't be taken seriously IMO. You do you, but this is a clown website (also go look who is owning RT, you'll be surprised).


I swear I'm gonna be the one reporting him.

Dude, all you do is just yell and accuse people of lying. You don't offer any constructive criticism. You're just angry and bitter.

Get some help. Geezus Christ. This isn't a joke, you legit need to talk to someone. You're only making Zack Snyder look bad with this kind of behavior. He doesn't deserve that. Do better.


Like, if you think Mana could act unhinged, you are just acting the same way. The second you hear me saying something you don't like, it's "liar", "liar", "liar". Like you're unable to handle a reality where anyone has an honest opinion that goes against yours. This isn't normal.

Go talk to a professional. Please.
 
Dude, all you do is just yell and accuse people of lying. You don't offer any constructive criticism. You're just angry and bitter.

Get some help. Geezus Christ. This isn't a joke, you legit need to talk to someone. You're only making Zack Snyder look bad with this kind of behavior. He doesn't deserve that. Do better.


Like, if you think Mana could act unhinged, you are just acting the same way. The second you hear me saying something you don't like, it's "liar", "liar", "liar". Like you're unable to handle a reality where anyone has an honest opinion that goes against yours. This isn't normal.

Go talk to a professional. Please.
And now more personal attacks. Sure. How class act of you.

Just because I like Snyder's films and not Superman 2025.
 
And now more personal attacks. Sure. How class act of you.

Just because I like Snyder's films and not Superman 2025.

Because you have called me a liar and gone off the handle on me constantly. You're holding grudges for shit that was long ago. You're still thinking about Mana even long after he's been gone. This isn't normal.

This has nothing to do with you liking or disliking Superman 2025. And it can't be, because you don't have an opinion on it, as you have not seen the film, because you said that when you did see it, you would post a full review. You have not posted a full review, therefore you have not seen the movie.

So don't deflect into making it about the film. It's your constant use of ad hominen. I didn't call you a liar or anything like that, and yet you consistently attacked me like that. You have no high ground here morally.

Stop this behavior, and go talk to a professional.
 
Because you have called me a liar and gone off the handle on me constantly. You're holding grudges for shit that was long ago. You're still thinking about Mana even long after he's been gone. This isn't normal.

This has nothing to do with you liking or disliking Superman 2025. And it can't be, because you don't have an opinion on it, as you have not seen the film, because you said that when you did see it, you would post a full review. You have not posted a full review, therefore you have not seen the movie.

So don't deflect into making it about the film. It's your constant use of ad hominen. I didn't call you a liar or anything like that, and yet you consistently attacked me like that. You have no high ground here morally.

Stop this behavior, and go talk to a professional.
No dude, remember it all started because of this:



You somehow need to defend anything DCU/James Gunn. It all led to this so please don't rewrite history.

But you know what? I'm tired of your bullshit, reported. Come what may.
 
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-there is plans for a Blue Beetle animated series, with the DCEU actor voicing Jaime. Since the previous film won't be canon, that version of the sister will hopefully be dropped (and the uncle, I didn't like either).
I thought it was HILARIOUS to have a "we are gonna lose the house due to lack of $$$" sub-plot and then have the freeloader uncle cruising around in a tricked out $100,000 truck the entire film. Really undercut the family dynamics in a very real way. Same with the kid getting a college degree and then totally flaming out, real GenZ vibes :P
 
I don't think beating Aquaman 2 and Venom Last Dance is a impressive feat. Those movies are mix as fuck.

As those prevision always impress me. Of course Fantastic Four will disturb the legs, as every hero movie does with each other. To more to less, thats up to them.
 
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I don't think beating Aquaman 2 and Venom Last Dance is a impressive feat. Those movies are mix as fuck.

The highest grossing movies of this year so far include A Minecraft Movie and live-action remakes of Lilo and Stitich and How to Train Your Dragon. Subjective movie quality doesn't always affect box office.

It's more about this movie being profitable in general. The article just for some reason felt like citing those two films as comparisons.
 

Wow, that international take REALLY dropped off. DC has always had a bit lower domestic:international BO compared to marvel but still, in the heyday these flicks could pretty reliably count on a 1:2 ratio or more, aside from the Black Panther films, which either underperformed internationally or (more likely) overperformed domestically. Lately all of these films are more of a 1:1 ratio at best. Curious to see where FFFS falls out.
 
Wow, that international take REALLY dropped off. DC has always had a bit lower domestic:international BO compared to marvel but still, in the heyday these flicks could pretty reliably count on a 1:2 ratio or more, aside from the Black Panther films, which either underperformed internationally or (more likely) overperformed domestically. Lately all of these films are more of a 1:1 ratio at best. Curious to see where FFFS falls out.

They were smart and kept the marketing budget low at 100 million, and based on what others are saying, it seems the marketing was focused on the U.S. So honestly with that context, it did pretty well internationally given the lesser focus on international marketing plus certain choices by individuals (who shall not be named) this year not making the U.S. much loved by quite a few countries. I wouldn't have been surprised if it had done quite a bit less internationally.
 
International really was a punch of the face of those american Super-heroes movies, but he still did well in USA, so as usual while people those days love to shit on USA, he alone did most of the heavy lifty for this movie.
 
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Wow, that international take REALLY dropped off. DC has always had a bit lower domestic:international BO compared to marvel but still, in the heyday these flicks could pretty reliably count on a 1:2 ratio or more, aside from the Black Panther films, which either underperformed internationally or (more likely) overperformed domestically. Lately all of these films are more of a 1:1 ratio at best. Curious to see where FFFS falls out.

I doubt people here would be excited about it. We ain't so much into Super-man, and I know people like to bring old Super-man movies but it's probably because of Henry Cavil. I'm guessing the same thing will happen to Fantastic Four, just not as fast but the drop will be probably harder because I doubt casual people even give a fuck or know about them. Kids love Iron-man, Spider-man and Batman. Also as I said earlier, DC is technically stronger here than Marvel thanks to it's Justice League cartoon that aired for ages on a free channel.
 
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A little nitpick, but it's Superman, not Super-man, only Spider-Man (and a handful of less popular others) have a hyphen specifically because stan lee wanted to differentiate from Superman:
"Spidey's official name has a hyphen- 'Spider-Man.' Know why? When I first dreamed him up I didn't want anyone confusing him with Superman!"
 
Looks like F4 opened with 118 million domestic and 218 million globally putting it behind Superman's opening weekend.
 
Looks like F4 opened with 118 million domestic and 218 million globally putting it behind Superman's opening weekend.
That's FAR above Brave New World and Thunderbolts so I'm sure Marvel is happy they seem to be gaining some traction again. And SUPERMAN barely beating out F4 isn't necessarily a huge win for DC but I'm sure they'll take anything win they can get at this point :P

We'll see if FFFS has legs or if it ends up at the 400 mill spot like the other 2 (seems unlikely, probably 500ish at this point). Wonder if this will lead to more retooling of future marvel films and delays.
 
That's FAR above Brave New World and Thunderbolts so I'm sure Marvel is happy they seem to be gaining some traction again. And SUPERMAN barely beating out F4 isn't necessarily a huge win for DC but I'm sure they'll take anything win they can get at this point :P

We'll see if FFFS has legs or if it ends up at the 400 mill spot like the other 2 (seems unlikely, probably 500ish at this point). Wonder if this will lead to more retooling of future marvel films and delays.
Legs aren't looking good since it's dropping as fast thor 4. With the previews and first day it had it should have easily beat Superman's OW.

I'm sure they wanted more from Superman but considering the domestic holds and coming off the dumpstire fire that was the DCEU not to mention Returns they'll take it. People seem to be responding well to Supergirl too which they also have to be feeling good about.
 
In a way I'm glad there's super hero fatigue. Many commentators like Martin have been saying for years how marvel destroyed cinema .

Maybe Hollywood can do something different.
 
In a way I'm glad there's super hero fatigue. Many commentators like Martin have been saying for years how marvel destroyed cinema .

Maybe Hollywood can do something different.

The highest grossing films of the year so far are the Minecraft movie, a Disney live action remake, and another shitty dinosaur film. CBM fatigue is not going to usher in a renaissance of film.
 
-there is plans for a Blue Beetle animated series, with the DCEU actor voicing Jaime. Since the previous film won't be canon, that version of the sister will hopefully be dropped (and the uncle, I didn't like either).

That movie got just about everything right aside from the sister thing, his love interest's back story, and the weird over emphasis on his family.

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The movie also cut out Paco and Brenda, Jaime's two best friends, which annoyed me they weren't included.

I forgot about them. Easily one of the best parts of that first arc or two in the comics.

I read that comic from day one back when I was a kid / teen (? I forget off the top of my head when it was first published), but it's a solid character and supporting cast that Gunn can definitely work with - and I think do justice.

But man, that movie. So many unforced errors.
 
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32% drop. It dropped 57%.

Lol 32? Where did you read that? Nobody credible was calling anything less than a 50% drop for Superman in it's third weekend. Do you have any idea how absolutely insane anything less than a 50% drop would've been for a big tentpole film like this? A 30-35% drop in it's third weekend would've been one for the books.

Anything less than 60% for Superman in it's third weekend, especially when it's up against the MCU's biggest film of the year, would've been really good. It achieved that.
 
Lol 32? Where did you read that? Nobody credible was calling anything less than a 50% drop for Superman in it's third weekend. Do you have any idea how absolutely insane anything less than a 50% drop would've been for a big tentpole film like this? A 30-35% drop in it's third weekend would've been one for the books.

Anything less than 60% for Superman in it's third weekend, especially when it's up against the MCU's biggest film of the year, would've been really good. It achieved that.
Jurassic Park dropped 41% in its 3rd weekend. I thought you guys were saying how impressive Superman's hold was? The Numbers agreed with you and predicted just a 32% drop. What happened?
 
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