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[FireFly]

I'm comparing Switch 2 and Legion Go S side by side. They look the same.

If you could take a 120 FPS video, it should confirm.

 

[Minsc]

And some of us are seeing the after image and some of us are not. Could be different eyes seeing different things, I suppose.

It's not even about seeing it, being that is subjective, some may, some may not. It is simply about posting a video where it does not exist, then you will have succeeded in proving there's a panel lottery. Until someone actually possesses a panel which does not do it, there's no reason to believe that is the case.

 

[Topher]

It's not even about seeing it, being that is subjective, some may, some may not. It is simply about posting a video where it does not exist, then you will have succeeded in proving there's a panel lottery. Until someone actually possesses a panel which does not do it, there's no reason to believe that is the case.

I was clearly speculating about the panel lottery my man. And that was based only on what people are saying. Yes, we would need more evidence to say one way or another for certain.

 

[Mr Moose]

here's my screen, recorded at 240fps, playback at 30fps

Afterimage: The Game.

 

[Throttle]

Its poor response times don't make it a bad screen overall. In fact, its color quality is much better than the Steam Deck LCD, and there's no bleeding. The rest of the specs are on par with a good IPS panel.

Of course, it could be better with local dimming for real HDR and faster response times, but not even high-end handheld PCs that cost almost twice as much do all that.

I'd say considering Switch 2 is a gaming device, response times matters the most. Some Apple devices had otherwise good LCD screens with bad ghosting, but for doing the things most people use them for this was not a great issue.

 

[Topher]

If you could take a 120 FPS video, it should confirm.

I'll try to do that tonight

 

[Throttle]

here's my screen, recorded at 240fps, playback at 30fps

That's quite an unnerving footage.

 

[Topher]

 

[crazyriddler]

I just tested taiko and the ghosting on my screen is not nearly as bad as what John shows, but not even close.

 

[Topher]

I just tested taiko and the ghosting on my screen is not nearly as bad as what John shows, but not even close.

Going to try this myself. Are there specific steps you have to take here or is this just a photo of the game while it is running?

 

[Minsc]

I can definitely make out 2 after images in that image, but there's little doubt it is significantly clearer than the ones linked above. Enough so that now I would entertain the idea there's a panel lottery.

It's still not going to be as good as OLED, but that definitely seems less blurry. Though you also have to consider different cameras, different ISO settings, shutter speed, etc.

Generally speaking, most people don't notice the issue regardless. I am able to create images similar to that one above with my Switch 2, I'll have to check out that demo later and see where it falls. If anything I feel it'll look more like the clearer image myself.

 

[crazyriddler]

Going to try this myself. Are there specific steps you have to take here or is this just a photo of the game while it is running?

Just a photo taken with my phone while the game was running.

 

[Minsc]

Just a photo taken with my phone while the game was running.

You're going to need to use a shutter speed much higher than the refresh rate, or you might catch multiple frames in your photo though. For my test I went with 1/500th of a second and it worked great. You can see the OLED Switch vs the LCD Switch 2:

OLED Switch

Switch 2

 

[Panajev2001a]

nintendo says sorry for not putting the latest high tech screen in your hybrid gaming machine. they we're thinking about a pro version at 1000$ just for you, but they though you're just talk and wouldn't really buy it.

Haha, who says that I would bit buy it? Man, I pushed some buttons there didn't I ?

 

[//DEVIL//]

Pretty much my sentiments at this point.

I can't replicate what Linneman has shown on video.

I don't doubt there is ghosting on Switch 2 displays, but the severity seems to be varied which is what no one seems to be getting. Too many people are making a blanket assumption that because Linneman has ghosting issues, it's representative of every Switch 2 console currently in consumer hands. This thread has shown not everyone is having the same issues with the IPS display. We can yammer on all day long about Nintendo's choice of display hardware being what it is, but the problem is not every display. We really need more information about the manufacturing and what companies were doing displays. The Switch 1 had multiple display manufacturers on the original model. Wouldn't be surprised if they did the same thing for the S2. Just a question of what location is putting out the best displays at this current time.

This is what I said earlier too. Everyone was talking about sonic and ghosting . Got sonic , I don't see anything . Imma try the demo too later on and if I see nothing there is that. My screen is fine .

There is a screen lottery. I highly doubt one company made all the screens for the switch anyway

 

[crazyriddler]

You're going to need to use a shutter speed much higher than the refresh rate, or you might catch multiple frames in your photo though. For my test I went with 1/500th of a second and it worked great. You can see the OLED Switch vs the LCD Switch 2:

OLED Switch

Switch 2

Could John's photos be dishonest? I mean, he uploads videos, and he shoots and edits them at a professional level. He should know that, right?

 

[Panajev2001a]

Could John's photos be dishonest? I mean, he uploads videos, and he shoots and edits them at a professional level. He should know that, right?

Whoa… we are going full conspiracy theory . Not from John.

 

[crazyriddler]

Whoa… we are going full conspiracy theory .

No, the ghosting is real and it is there, but not as John shows, he is clearly trying to make his point, otherwise explain to me why there is such a difference in sharpness between his photos and the others.

 

[mnkl13]

Haha, who says that I would bit buy it? Man, I pushed some buttons there didn't I ?

yes you did, you pushed many buttons that you shouldn't have - on your keyboard.

 

[Panajev2001a]

yes you did, you pushed many buttons that you shouldn't have - on your keyboard.

Oh you are as cute as a button .

 

[Kilau]

I think maybe this Taiko game is just like this on Switch 2, maybe Switch?

This is my TV output.

The same(?) game is on Apple Arcade and using TV out from my phone (I can't take a picture) the ghosting is much less than the Switch version.

 

[Minsc]

I think maybe this Taiko game is just like this on Switch 2, maybe Switch?

This is my TV output.

The same(?) game is on Apple Arcade and using TV out from my phone (I can't take a picture) the ghosting is much less than the Switch version.

Your TV screens don't look quite as good as crazyriddler's Switch 2 screens, so I don't think you can conclude quite that far.

Also, I have tested Switch 2 portable LCD screen in Theatrhythm vs jumping right over to an OLED screen off the Switch 2 docked, and the music circle notes that move horizontally are noticeably less ghosted than on the Switch 2 screen.

I've also immediately noticed the colors and saturation of Xenoblade 3 on Switch 2's LCD screen and jumped over to a docked OLED screen, and the colors were much better, more contrast, with much better represented blacks and depth. But that's just a separate issue with the screen haha.

 

[Kilau]

Your TV screens don't look quite as good as crazyriddler's Switch 2 screens, so I don't think you can conclude quite that far.

Also, I have tested Switch 2 portable LCD screen in Theatrhythm vs jumping right over to an OLED screen off the Switch 2 docked, and the music circle notes that move horizontally are noticeably less ghosted than on the Switch 2 screen.

I've also immediately noticed the colors and saturation of Xenoblade 3 on Switch 2's LCD screen and jumped over to a docked OLED screen, and the colors were much better, more contrast, with much better represented blacks and depth. But that's just a separate issue with the screen haha.

Yeah I think he also did 240fps for his grabs, mine is just 60fps. It's also just way more ghosty than apple arcade version using HDMI output.

 

[crazyriddler]

Yeah I think he also did 240fps for his grabs, mine is just 60fps. It's also just way more ghosty than apple arcade version using HDMI output.

I didn't realize what setting I used tbh, I did several tests changing ISO and the 1 second / x option until it looked good.

 

[//DEVIL//]

These are my images from my switch2.

honestly only when I took a screen shot I was able to see it. but during gameplay ? not even close. people love drama so much :/

Not even sure if this is the proper way to do it. just used my iPhone 15 pro max photo while the game is running

 

[Unknown?]

lol stfu weirdo.

Truth is weird when you're living in a land of fiction.

 

[Kilau]

Truth is weird when you're living in a land of fiction.

I think his current status proves my point nicely.

 

[Unknown?]

I think his current status proves my point nicely.

Not really, it's a cheap screen.

 

[Kilau]

Not really, it's a cheap screen.

Nope, the point was he is a weirdo.

 

[Unknown?]

Nope, the point was he is a weirdo.

Fair enough.

 

[paolo11]

So this has bad input lag for Street Fighter 6 I assume?

 

[__SteakDeck__]

lol stfu weirdo.

He's not a "weirdo" Just because he's giving his opinion on a video game console. Weirdo. lol

 

[crazyriddler]

So this has bad input lag for Street Fighter 6 I assume?

Not really, pixel response time is how long it takes for the pixel to switch from off to on or vice versa, not how long it takes for the pixel to react to an input. In other words, a bad response time does not cause latency but ghosting.

 

[powder]

It's wild how they had years to create the successor to the Switch and pretty much just came up with a "pro" version of the first. Pretty weak.

 

[Mozza]

Yet another Switch 2 hate thread. Pointing out issues that nobody in reality will even notice. The thread makers on here are at least consistent.

 

[Mozza]

PSP released 2004, one of the very first commercial applications for LCDs..it was revolutionary for its time. It shouldn't even be talked about here...ever

But its Nintendo...always compared to the PAST and barely edging it. Lol

Jeez barly 1.9x the performance of PSP from 21 years ago?

3x LESS than Steam Deck? AND Slower than its own predecessor? LMAO

Never change Cheapendo! Lol

Well this guy was not back for long lol....

 

[Mozza]

An back in the real world most would think all of those images are blurry. I play mostly docked but the screen seems fine to me. You can basically show figures to support anything but in reality does the vast majority of people notice any of this all that much.

 

[BlackTron]

Yet another Switch 2 hate thread. Pointing out issues that nobody in reality will even notice. The thread makers on here are at least consistent.

I feel like if you don't add a brain you will get banned at this rate.

 

[Bojji]

People should be glad that there is talk about this. Maybe Nintendo will listen and fix stuff. Saying only that it's "so good" won't make a fucking difference...

Constructive criticism is not hate.

 

[neocycle]

You're going to need to use a shutter speed much higher than the refresh rate, or you might catch multiple frames in your photo though. For my test I went with 1/500th of a second and it worked great. You can see the OLED Switch vs the LCD Switch 2:

OLED Switch

Switch 2

What looks better to you in motion? Some people are annoyed by OLED being too fast (OLED stuttering).

 

[Madserb2023]

After looking at this thread and others I am more convinced that many just don't know what ghosting is. From confusing it with input lag to posting a screenshot trying to disprove it with three Mario's next to each other. It does raise the question whether or not it matters considering most people don't care, and to a degree there is evidence on the whole as LCDs wouldn't have sold at the beginning otherwise. However its still not good and defending will absolutely unsure that you will get a cheap LCD if they ever make a Switch 3. Why not. If you order Ccka Cola and you get Pepsi, and say it doesn't matter you can't tell the difference, they will never sell you Coca Cola.

 

[Kilau]

He's not a "weirdo" Just because he's giving his opinion on a video game console. Weirdo. lol

All fanboys are weirdos and his opinions were particularly unhinged.

 

[nowhat]

If you order Ccka Cola and you get Pepsi, and say it doesn't matter you can't tell the difference, they will never sell you Coca Cola.

Hah. Back in the NES days (yes, I'm old) there was a Nintendo promotion going around the country. Along with it was, at least in the town I lived in, "Pepsi Challenge". A presenter would give you two samples of cola, and you had to tell which one tasted better. The cans were hidden under covers, and if you picked the Pepsi the presenter would reveal it like "aha!"

Me and my friends did this like three times in a row, always picking the other alternative (which I'm assuming was Coca-Cola). After which we were barred from participating in the challenge.

 

[Signalis]

Geoff Keighley: "So Dough, for people complaining about the poor quality of the Switch and bad screen with all the ghosting etc. what would you tell them?"

Dough Bowser: "Well, for people who don't like the poor quality screen and the rest, Nintendo has a product for them. It's called Switch 1 OLED, even the non-OLED models"

Geoff Keighley:"So stick with Switch 1 is what you're saying?"

Dough Bowser: "Uhhh.oh well. If you don't want the poor quality screen then yeah. I mean I don't even know what ghosting or HDR means,I mean, there isn't even a Luigi's Mansion game on Switch 2 so I don't know what ghosting people are complaining about. But yeah, stick with Switch 1"

 

[BlackTron]

After looking at this thread and others I am more convinced that many just don't know what ghosting is. From confusing it with input lag to posting a screenshot trying to disprove it with three Mario's next to each other. It does raise the question whether or not it matters considering most people don't care, and to a degree there is evidence on the whole as LCDs wouldn't have sold at the beginning otherwise. However its still not good and defending will absolutely unsure that you will get a cheap LCD if they ever make a Switch 3. Why not. If you order Ccka Cola and you get Pepsi, and say it doesn't matter you can't tell the difference, they will never sell you Coca Cola.

While it's true that many can't tell the difference and really don't know how to even pretend to disprove it, you can't read all these threads without being aware of ample evidence that something else is awry. It doesn't seem like everyone is looking at the same screen and it appears way worse on some units than others. Not that there should be a panel lottery to begin with.

I really want to know if the guy who said he saw ghosting as bad as the first panel for his 360 was not embellishing. Same with Linneman's comments. The simple fact is if these guys are telling the truth then Switch 2's are behaving differently because mine simply doesn't look like that...I feel like the truth falls somewhere between the embellishing of both "sides" that the NS2 is completely innocent without anything you'd ever notice, and looking like a 360 era panel. Maybe, some either have screens or overdrive (underdrive?) settings that are so bad they see real ghosting, but mine isn't that bad. For example DF mentioned making out the faces on the notes in that game demo, I see them clearly. That's a similar test to the white stripes on the red blur UFO, they are blurred together into a long white stripe in the lower response results. On my Switch 2 the faces are well defined while scrolling past so as a 1:1 test mine has a much better response time than DF's, but why?