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[paolo11]

Noob question. Based on the speeds and clocks is handheld mode same as ps4 now or better than steam deck?

 

[fran.fernandez]

One more time

Less powerful than base PS4

 

[Panajev2001a]

well, if you go by that logic then all out TFLOPS numbers are inflated and the PS5 only is a 5.1 TFLOPS system, the Series X 6 TFLOPS, the PS4 900 GFLOPS and so on.

all of these systems' performance is calculated with 2 instructions per clock per shader unit.

either way, these leaked clocks would mean 3.1 TFLOPS or 1.55 TFLOPS... but if you go by the latter you also have to cut the numbers of all other current and last gen consoels in half to compare

It is not two instructions per clock but fused multiply add instructions (so running a = b * c + d in a single clock for example). On top of that people are adding additional arithmetic units and allowing multiple instructions issue to the same vector unit (see VOPD which has yet to be used to be even close to 2x throughput boost).

 

[LordOcidax]

Noob question. Based on the speeds and clocks is handheld mode same as ps4 now or better than steam deck?

Better in both cases.

 

[bundylove]

Well its not like nintendo is set up for high end graphics anyways.

Will be a big jump for nintendo games nut will struggle with third party AAA games.

My phone is more powerfull than this thing

 

[LordOcidax]

Well its not like nintendo is set up for high end graphics anyways.

Will be a big jump for nintendo games nut will struggle with third party AAA games.

My phone is more powerfull than this thing

No, it's not… The Switch 2 with those specs destroys your phone in the real world performance.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Noob question. Based on the speeds and clocks is handheld mode same as ps4 now or better than steam deck?

IF the numbers are to be believed, this will be a beast of a handheld (relatively) and docked it should be a fair margin above both PS4 and SteamDeck. In Handheld mode, it's Steam Deck Pro. Nowhere near a full generation leap but enough to see the difference.





I am shocked this thing is so beefy. Gotta be $400 bucks maybe $429.

 

[FireFly]

well, if you go by that logic then all out TFLOPS numbers are inflated and the PS5 only is a 5.1 TFLOPS system, the Series X 6 TFLOPS, the PS4 900 GFLOPS and so on.

all of these systems' performance is calculated with 2 instructions per clock per shader unit.

either way, these leaked clocks would mean 3.1 TFLOPS or 1.55 TFLOPS... but if you go by the latter you also have to cut the numbers of all other current and last gen consoels in half to compare

GCN and RDNA 2 have dedicated scalar ALUs for integer operations though. Maybe there are some dependencies, but in any case teraflops are a very imperfect way of comparing real world performance between different architectures, since so many things can differ besides compute.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

One more time

Less powerful than base PS4

By what math is this a conclusion? These numbers say otherwise and it's not close.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I guess it is inline with the current Steam Deck?

 

[TikiLagoonSam]

Graphics peaked on the PS4. Everything after that has had huge diminishing returns not worth the cost.

The Switch 2 will be the best balance of power and cost of any system.

 

[MrJangles]

Hopium everywhere. Enjoy your PS4 remakes at $70.

Nah, we'll enjoy Nintendo stuff which is better than anything Sony have or will ever churn out.

 

[Sebastian1295]

The year is 2025 and nintendo fans are celebrating playing 1080p and below at 30fps on their switch 2 while all hd tv's have been off store shelves for like a decade. The fact that the specs on this thing are this bad and they're going to charge 400 for it is appalling. I'm not graphics whore 'I love retro gaming' but the tech inside this thing is junk for the price they're going to want for it. Plus the lack of an OLED is just the cherry on top.

 

[Parazels]

IF the numbers are to be believed, this will be a beast of a handheld.

I am shocked this thing is so beefy. Gotta be $400 bucks maybe $429.

I am shocked, how many people believe in $400!

 

[LordOcidax]

The year is 2025 and nintendo fans are celebrating playing 1080p and below at 30fps on their switch 2 while all hd tv's have been off store shelves for like a decade. The fact that the specs on this thing are this bad and they're going to charge 400 for it is appalling. I'm not graphics whore 'I love retro gaming' but the tech inside this thing is junk for the price they're going to want for it. Plus the lack of an OLED is just the cherry on top.

LoL… Wait until you discover the base resolution of the majority of PS5 and Xbox Series games

 

[RoboFu]

I understand how you guys can be scared of this monster coming soon... it's really :

 

[Emedan]

One more time

Less powerful than base PS4

 

[Soapbox Killer]

I am shocked, how many people believe in $400!

Do you think the number is too high or too low?'

I think 400 is a feasible number when you know this will sell (real world shit notwithstanding) 30+ million units in the first year. We know Nintendo wont take the hit on cost so they may need to sell the dock separately (I doubt it but the 2 sku idea exist) There is no realistic way to presume this will be anywhere near $299 without knowing the splits on the numbers so all we have is speculation.

 

[bundylove]

No, it's not… The Switch 2 with those specs destroys your phone in the real world performance.

Sure bubba. If you say so. Lets compare benchmarks when the switch releases.

I give you my phones in the meantime

 

[Parazels]

Do you think the number is too high or too low?'

I think 400 is a feasible number when you know this will sell (real world shit notwithstanding) 30+ million units in the first year. We know Nintendo wont take the hit on cost so they may need to sell the dock separately (I doubt it but the 2 sku idea exist) There is no realistic way to presume this will be anywhere near $299 without knowing the splits on the numbers so all we have is speculation.

I am in a $450-500 team.

Maybe, Nintendo will launch a lite or dockless version to provide a lower starting price.

 

[Sebastian1295]

LoL… Wait until you discover the base resolution of the majority of PS5 and Xbox Series games

Almost every game i own on the ps5 is above 1080p and has a resolution mode or performance mode. And if the ps5 and series x can't run a game above 1080p or at 1080p then that means the switch 2 version of the game will be muchhhh much worse if the switch 2 even gets most ports from the ps5/series x.

 

[jm89]

If true, that's what people expected. Can't wait for docked info.

Calm down, that's not going to happen, CPU frequency doesn't change when docked. 2TF undocked and 4TF+ docked is my prediction.

 

[Emedan]

I am in a $450-500 team.

Maybe, Nintendo will launch a lite or dockless version to provide a lower starting price.

I don't see any reality where Nintendo would release a console for $500

 

[LordOcidax]

Sure bubba. If you say so. Lets compare benchmarks when the switch releases.

I give you my phones in the meantime

Dude, you are comparing a Phone with a dedicated gaming device… I am not going to waste my time in that discussion. But, if you want examples, just search Switch 1 vs Phones of 2017 (With twice the hardware power) and then comeback.

 

[EDMIX]

yea so them hopes of getting current generation ports....seems more and more unlikely, so many features would have to be stripped, your right back in the Switch 1 situation with ports.

So I expect it to be no different with Switch 2

 

[LordOcidax]

Actually this is really close to my expectations

 

[Scrawnton]

Hopium everywhere. Enjoy your PS4 remakes at $70.

Sir, this thread is about Switch 2, not PS5.

 

[jm89]

Actually this is really close to my expectations

*below your expectations

 

[Parazels]

I don't see any reality where Nintendo would release a console for $500

It is hard to find electronics cheeper than $500 today! And it won't get any better in the foreseeable future!

 

[SegaSnatcher]

Because tf don't mean shit, low bandwidth and low clocks suggest it won't be much of an upgrade, more like a ps4+. 1.1hhz cpu clock, means it cpu power will be very similar to steam deck.

Compared to Switch 1 its a huge upgrade, what are you even talking about?

 

[LordOcidax]

Sir, this thread is about Switch 2, not PS5.

 

[MrJangles]

Sure bubba. If you say so. Lets compare benchmarks when the switch releases.

I give you my phones in the meantime

Who the fuck plays games on a phone?

 

[Soapbox Killer]

I am in a $450-500 team.

Maybe, Nintendo will launch a lite or dockless version to provide a lower starting price.

I know we live in a world of $1500 phones that we give to pre-teens like its a Superman lunchbox but I think Nintendo still has a particular image (as you can see from the fine people that have posted in this thread) but i think it would be a hard sell for Nintendo's brand to be sold at such a premium price.

yea so them hopes of getting current generation ports....seems more and more unlikely, so many features would have to be stripped, your right back in the Switch 1 situation with ports.

So I expect it to be no different with Switch 2

I doubt there is any current gen game that would not be playable on a system with these numbers ( sans Wukong Black Myth )

 

[Stafford]

Being concerned about the power of Switch 2 is kinda strange.
If you're worried about the graphics you can buy any of these other Handhelds that's out or coming out but for a Nintendo handheld/ console it's going to be all about the Nintendo Games .

Not if you're like me and don't care one bit about handheld gaming. It's all about the console experience for me on a large screen. So I hope it will be decent enough docked. Hopefully that upscaling tech will be actually really good.

 

[Emedan]

It is hard to find electronics cheeper than $500 today! And it won't get any better in the foreseeable future!

They won't sell no 140 million consoles with that price though. It's too much for a "toy" for the kids.

 

[bundylove]

Dude, you are comparing a Phone with a dedicated gaming device… I am not going to waste my time in that discussion. But, if you want examples, just search Switch 1 vs Phones of 2017 (With twice the hardware power) and then comeback.

Sorry for your bad coping skills.
The low switch 2 specs must hit you hard.

This is all easy math.

Do the math.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Parazels]

Who the fuck plays games on a phone?

 

[Quezacolt]

Sure bubba. If you say so. Lets compare benchmarks when the switch releases.

I give you my phones in the meantime

Sure. The newest iphones are also very powerful, techwise, but the constraints they have make it so their power cant be fully utilized.
Re4 remake on the iphone runs worse than the game runs on a ps4, and the iphone has a much better cpu and more modern gpu.

Those benchmarks mean nothing in the real world.

 

[bundylove]

Who the fuck plays games on a phone?

THe phone master race lol.

Funny isnt it that my 2024 phone is more powerfull than a new nintendo console.

And its so pointless like you said, no one cares to play on phone yet they out all this crap into it so they can charge you 2 grand for it to watch porn and text lol

 

[FireFly]

The year is 2025 and nintendo fans are celebrating playing 1080p and below at 30fps on their switch 2 while all hd tv's have been off store shelves for like a decade. The fact that the specs on this thing are this bad and they're going to charge 400 for it is appalling. I'm not graphics whore 'I love retro gaming' but the tech inside this thing is junk for the price they're going to want for it. Plus the lack of an OLED is just the cherry on top.

I must have missed all those handheld devices that run current games at 1440p and above.

 

[Sebastian1295]

Sir, this thread is about Switch 2, not PS5.

Ohh really crapping on sony while nintendo the masters at low quality 'remasters' spam them nonstop. Like donkey kong country returns HD, donkey kong country tropical freeze hd WITH FUNKYYYY MODEEEE, the legenda of zelda skyward sword HD with nothing done to the textures besides a resolution bump, mario kart 8 a straight port from the wii u instead of a new game, kirby's epic yarn again another port job, etc etc etc etc. Nintendo are the kings of low quality port jobs that they hype up as 'remasters'

 

[Astray]

Fanboys in shambles yet again.

If Valve manages to ramp up their support for lower-end handhelds, they will take marketshare off Nintendo for sure.

 

[Holammer]

So roughly 12 switches taped together?

 

[LordOcidax]

Sure. The newest iphones are also very powerful, techwise, but the constraints they have make it so their power cant be fully utilized.
Re4 remake on the iphone runs worse than the game runs on a ps4, and the iphone has a much better cpu and more modern gpu.

Those benchmarks mean nothing in the real world.

I remember some guys here back in 2017 with the same arguments vs the Switch 1 .

 

[Parazels]

Fanboys in shambles yet again.

If Valve manages to ramp up their support for lower-end handhelds, they will take marketshare off Nintendo for sure.

SteamOS will fill up the market in a year like android on phones. And it will certainly impact Switch 2 sales sooner or later.

 

[Scrawnton]

Ohh really crapping on sony while nintendo the masters at low quality 'remasters' spam them nonstop. Like donkey kong country returns HD, donkey kong country tropical freeze hd WITH FUNKYYYY MODEEEE, the legenda of zelda skyward sword HD with nothing done to the textures besides a resolution bump, mario kart 8 a straight port from the wii u instead of a new game, kirby's epic yarn again another port job, etc etc etc etc. Nintendo are the kings of low quality port jobs that they hype up as 'remasters'

Oh man I really tickled your ego, huh?

 

[LordOcidax]

SteamOS will fill up the market in a year like android on phones. And it will certainly impact Switch 2 sales sooner or later.

The Switch 2 is going to sell more than every PC handheld combined LTD in the first month… Even the Switch 1 is selling more by a big margin What are you talking about?

 

[Astray]

SteamOS will fill up the market in a year like android on phones. And it will certainly impact Switch 2 sales sooner or later.

Even if Nintendo hits the $400 price point, they will likely face steep competition from the Steam Deck at $350 and the Legion Go S Steam version at $499.

The Switch 2 is anything but a sure bet imo.

 

[PeteBull]

Noob question. Based on the speeds and clocks is handheld mode same as ps4 now or better than steam deck?

steamdeck is much weaker from ps4, think same game/settings runs at 1080p30 on ps4, it will only run 720p/30fps on switch, if switch is as strong as ps4 in handheld mode, its actually solid win