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[shahkur]

Just beat the mission where you first see the zombies and the cleric guy. I dont get this game. The battles are kinda slow TBH so far with small damage being dealt by my characters. I just seem to find the game overwhelming, and I dont know WTF is going on in the story other than a war between God knows, and some merceneries joining you coz they need $.

I dont exactly hate the game, as I haven't played much, so I'll keep pressing on for now. Is it alright if I make my main a knight? I want him to be able to deal BIG damage and move to far spaces.

 

[Jerk]

Just beat the mission where you first see the zombies and the cleric guy. I dont get this game. The battles are kinda slow TBH so far with small damage being dealt by my characters. I just seem to find the game overwhelming, and I dont know WTF is going on in the story other than a war between God knows, and some merceneries joining you coz they need $.

I dont exactly hate the game, as I haven't played much, so I'll keep pressing on for now. Is it alright if I make my main a knight? I want him to be able to deal BIG damage and move to far spaces.

This game is very, very balanced. 'Big damage' is not something you will be able to do until much later.

Not to mention that Move and Damage are two of the Knight's biggest constraints. Ninja, Warrior and Berserker are your hard hitters. I suggest you stick to warrior until you get Ninja.

 

[shahkur]

This game is very, very balanced. 'Big damage' is not something you will be able to do until much later.

Not to mention that Move and Damage are two of the Knight's biggest constraints. Ninja, Warrior and Berserker are your hard hitters. I suggest you stick to warrior until you get Ninja.

Oh, but I've already changed him to knight and cant go back.
As I've never played the original, are there any parts in the game where the difficulty sky-rockets? Any cheap bosses?

 

[fistwell_old]

Hey so what's the method to grind up new classes? Just slot them in with the big guys and keep them hidden in a corner? My ninja is leveling up awful slow, he'll never catch up to the rest of the team...

 

[Peff]

Oh, but I've already changed him to knight and cant go back.
As I've never played the original, are there any parts in the game where the difficulty sky-rockets? Any cheap bosses?

The very next battle More accurately, you can choose between an optional, harder battle and going back to Almorica to continue the storyline... and then two fights later you'll be faced with a tough escort mission (although it is also sort of optional, but if you do both you'll get more characters to recruit later). If you can come up with tactics for both of these battles I doubt you'll have huge problems later on.

Look in the shops for Warrior marks to change the class back.

 

[Anno]

Hey so what's the method to grind up new classes? Just slot them in with the big guys and keep them hidden in a corner? My ninja is leveling up awful slow, he'll never catch up to the rest of the team...

If you have a lot of them you want to level up I've been having fun making armies of low level classes and grinding away. The maps scale down well all the way to level 1. In just a few hours of battling while watching basketball I got 7 classes from 1 to 10 or 11 and had a good time of it.

If that doesn't sound appealing then yeah, just keep the lower levels hidden in the corner. If they can cast heal or Boon of Swiftness or use a Lobber then they can be of some use as well. If you can sacrifice multiple slots bring along more than 1 at a time and it'll go faster.

 

[fistwell_old]

If you have a lot of them you want to level up I've been having fun making armies of low level classes and grinding away. The maps scale down well all the way to level 1. In just a few hours of battling while watching basketball I got 7 classes from 1 to 10 or 11 and had a good time of it.

If that doesn't sound appealing then yeah, just keep the lower levels hidden in the corner. If they can cast heal or Boon of Swiftness or use a Lobber then they can be of some use as well. If you can sacrifice multiple slots bring along more than 1 at a time and it'll go faster.

Cool, thx for the tips. Is it only random encounters that scale down, or story fights as well?

 

[Fimbulvetr]

Guess who just recruited a Warlock, Arc Dragon, and Dark Dragon in a single story mission.

 

[shahkur]

The very next battle More accurately, you can choose between an optional, harder battle and going back to Almorica to continue the storyline... and then two fights later you'll be faced with a tough escort mission (although it is also sort of optional, but if you do both you'll get more characters to recruit later). If you can come up with tactics for both of these battles I doubt you'll have huge problems later on.

Look in the shops for Warrior marks to change the class back.

Thank you for the advice Peff.

Just wondering, can anyone give me a rundown on the whole premise of the story, obviously without spoiling it please? Like why is there a war going on and between who?

 

[Skilletor]

Thank you for the advice Peff.

Just wondering, can anyone give me a rundown on the whole premise of the story, obviously without spoiling it please? Like why is there a war going on and between who?

It's explained in the opening cinematic. Be easier to watch that .

 

[Shuusui]

Nevermind.

Game's fantastic! Still absolutely lost on what the "Chaos Frame" is, without anyone really being able to explain it to me.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

Nevermind.

Game's fantastic! Still absolutely lost on what the "Chaos Frame" is, without anyone really being able to explain it to me.

It's how each of the clans thinks of you.

Spoiler

If you tend to use units from a specific clan and don't kill too many of them your Chaos Frame with them will be positive. Killing too many of them or not recruiting them will cause your CF to be negative with that one group.

That's why the story missions give you the option of just killing bosses instead of murdering everyone and negatively effecting the CF.

 

[Balphon]

Game's fantastic! Still absolutely lost on what the "Chaos Frame" is, without anyone really being able to explain it to me.

Just think of it as clan loyalty. Each clan (though Galgastan/Walister/Bakram are the only ones that matter) has a mostly-hidden stat that indicates how much people in that clan generally like you that ranges from 0-100, just like unit loyalty. You lose Chaos Frame for a clan when members of your team kill members of that clan, and gain it when members of that clan on your team are knocked out or die in combat. Dialogue choices can also push Chaos Frames one way or the other.

That said, though, it only matters for three things:

1) Starting loyalty of members of a clan hired from the shop. (This will precisely equal that clan's chaos frame and thus is the only way to measure it until you complete Hell's Gate, at which point you can get an item that will make Chaos Frames appear in the Warren Report.)

2) Recruiting a character (

Spoiler

Cressida

) in Chapter 4 if you chose the chaos route. (Your Galgastan CF needs to be >50, and the character isn't recruitable on the law path.)

3) How one of the possible endings plays out.

Thus, it's really not something you need to worry about too much, particularly if you chose law the first time through.

 

[Basileus777]

And chaos frame only matters for the ending

Spoiler

where Catiua is dead.

Unless you are on Chaos and need to recruit

Spoiler

Cressida

, it's not worth worrying over.

 

[Yaweee]

This game is very, very balanced. 'Big damage' is not something you will be able to do until much later.

Not to mention that Move and Damage are two of the Knight's biggest constraints. Ninja, Warrior and Berserker are your hard hitters. I suggest you stick to warrior until you get Ninja.

Having finished the game (but not the post-game or WORLD mechanics), the only real anomaly in terms of game balance is the Octopus' "Poison Rain". It feels like they screwed up the value for it somehow, as it is far more powerful for its cost than even 100 TP finishers, or the equally expensive other special moves that the Octopus has, to the point where none of their other Specials are particularly worthwhile.

Just beat the mission where you first see the zombies and the cleric guy. I dont get this game. The battles are kinda slow TBH so far with small damage being dealt by my characters. I just seem to find the game overwhelming, and I dont know WTF is going on in the story other than a war between God knows, and some merceneries joining you coz they need $.

I dont exactly hate the game, as I haven't played much, so I'll keep pressing on for now. Is it alright if I make my main a knight? I want him to be able to deal BIG damage and move to far spaces.

Damage is pretty reasonable if you have the correct skills and up-to-date equipment. Note that there is a HUGE discrepancy in physical/magic defenses between different classes, which is likely part of your probe.

You can make Denam any class you want, as I think ALL of the human classes are useful in their own ways. Knights aren't the biggest melee damage, though. Rogues, Berserkers, Beast Masters with 2H weapons, Dragoons, Swordmasters are the melee damage classes.

Let the game sit at the title screen for the narrated overview to play out.

 

[Basileus777]

The game is balanced better than the original (broken weight system, petrify etc.), but it's far from perfect. Things like double attack or pairing elemental weapons with augment element can be pretty damn broken.

 

[Joule]

Just beat the game and I've a question. What happened to the character endings? For example, I went Law and got Xapan but didn't get a particular scene with him in the end. Is it only the characters that I use in my final party that get scenes or is it something else altogether?

 

[Az987]

Good news for people who ordered the strategy guide from Amazon.

I just got an email saying I should receive it on March 7th. Earlier than they expected.

 

[wrxsti22brockz]

The learning curve for this game is steep. But with the good story and music...(OMG I Love the music) This game could last me a good long time... But Gundam G generation just went out too... I might want to finish GGen first....

 

[Jerk]

Holy shit @ the Oz fight.

It is quite possibly the only battle I have played that I am not sure I could beat the first time through without CHARIOT abuse.

Jeez.

 

[Yaweee]

Holy shit @ the Oz fight.

It is quite possibly the only battle I have played that I am not sure I could beat the first time through without CHARIOT abuse.

Jeez.

Yeah, that's one of the ones where I was downplaying the game's difficulty only to go up against that 2 battles later =)



Just so people know, the post-game "Coda" is like it's own chapter subdivided in to episodes, and most of the Chapter 4 sidequests aren't available in it. By that point you have WORLD and can skip around, but there is some value in doing Chapter 4 at least partially correct the first time (as opposed to my "let em all die" approach). I'm going back and getting all of the 4L characters before jumping back in time to Chapter 1 to do the other paths. The reason for the missing sidequests is that the entire map is revealed without any trigged battles, outside of the bonus dungeons or anything trigged in the "episodes".

 

[Jerk]

Yeah, that's one of the ones where I was downplaying the game's difficulty only to go up against that 2 battles later =)



Just so people know, the post-game "Coda" is like it's own chapter subdivided in to episodes, and most of the Chapter 4 sidequests aren't available in it. By that point you have WORLD and can skip around, but there is some value in doing Chapter 4 at least partially correct the first time (as opposed to my "let em all die" approach). I'm going back and getting all of the 4L characters before jumping back in time to Chapter 1 to do the other paths. The reason for the missing sidequests is that the entire map is revealed without any trigged battles, outside of the bonus dungeons or anything trigged in the "episodes".

Let em die?

Not allowing anyone to die is like the only goal I have set for myself thus far. One of the main reason why I barely survived Oz.

Also, how is the Shaman class? I am guessing that they are purely magical?

 

[Basileus777]

Spoiler

Apparently to get Tartaros to drop the Ambicion sword in the last DLC battle, you have to do it with just Denam, Vyce, and Catiua. Those three against all 7 Loslorien commanders and a bunch of templar knights...finally a way to get some challenge back into this game!

 

[Urban Scholar]

As far as damage types are concerned the resulting damage differs on a class by class basis? I noticed the second bow finisher is of a crushing type and deals much to knights. Maybe I should invest in hammer usage more.

 

[Basileus777]

Also, how is the Shaman class? I am guessing that they are purely magical?

They are purely magical. I turned

Spoiler

Sherri

into one, and she was very effective in that class. It's useless for

Spoiler

Cerya and Cistina though

, as they have melee focused stats.

 

[Jerk]

They are purely magical. I turned

Spoiler

Sherri

into one, and she was very effective in that class. It's useless for

Spoiler

Cerya and Cistina though

, as they have melee focused stats.

Cool, thanks.

I just received

Spoiler

Cerya

and I was not quite sure what I should do with her.

I am almost tempted to leave her as a Valkyrie.

 

[Basileus777]

Cool, thanks.

I just received

Spoiler

Cerya

and I was not quite sure what I should do with her.

I am almost tempted to leave her as a Valkyrie.

Ninja or Rogue aren't bad classes for her.

 

[Jerk]

Ninja or Rogue aren't bad classes for her.

Thanks, I think I am going to turn her into a Ninja. Of course this means that I am going to have to kill my Generic Ninja for all his skills (I do not have a silver Oberyth though...)...

Also, do we yet know which stats modify what?

 

[Basileus777]

Also, do we yet know which stats modify what?

Press select over a unit's status screen and move the cursor over each stat to see.

 

[Jerk]

Press select over a unit's status screen and move the cursor over each stat to see.

Actually, going through these is what prompted me to ask the question.

Specifically, I not sure what is going on with Dex and Str.

When it comes to damage an accuracy, are they used in tandem? Do they have different effects on different weapons?

So far, I am riding on the assumption that melee weapons on use half the dex stat (with the exception of daggers) and the opposite for ranged.

 

[Unknown One]

Time for some galgastani death march with retreating because I'm broke and lazy.

 

[Az987]

Does this run okay without being installed?

I have it installed now but I want to delete it so I have space to download Resident Evil 2.

 

[Yaweee]

Actually, going through these is what prompted me to ask the question.

Specifically, I not sure what is going on with Dex and Str.

When it comes to damage an accuracy, are they used in tandem? Do they have different effects on different weapons?

So far, I am riding on the assumption that melee weapons on use half the dex stat (with the exception of daggers) and the opposite for ranged.

It varies from weapon type to weapon type. Daggers, for example, gain more from Dex than other melee weapons.

 

[Jerk]

Oz 2 was much easier.

Still...

Edit:

I also think duckroll does Denam a disservice. He is much more intelligent than he initially appears (at least on the chaos side).

 

[Fimbulvetr]

Man, I'm so far behind everyone else thanks to screwing around trying to recruit dragons.

 

[Jerk]

Man, I'm so far behind everyone else thanks to screwing around trying to recruit dragons.

Well, I am far behind in other ways.

I have not recruited/hired a unit as of yet.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

Well, I am far behind in other ways.

I have not recruited/hired a unit as of yet.

Get on it son.

Way more satisfying than using badges.

Plus when you recruit units mid-battle they start off with skills already intact and you get all of their equipment. Also units for new classes will level immediately.

I just recruited a Warlock, Arc Dragon, and Dark dragon from the last string of missions in Chapter 2 Law.

I could have just made an unused Cleric into a Witch(female Sorcerer) later since I also got class badges with the mission, but she had barely any SP and I didn't wanna waste money on new spells.

The two dragons(specifically the dark one) were particularly awesome because they were very loyal(loyal units are harder to recruit, the dark one was more loyal and only had a 20% chance of Tame working), but when I got them they instantly had max loyalty to Denam.




Speaking of the end of Chapter 2, the boss fight was pretty awesome, if one sided.

 

[careful]

Thanks, I think I am going to turn her into a Ninja. Of course this means that I am going to have to kill my Generic Ninja for all his skills (I do not have a silver Oberyth though...)...

Holy shit you can do that?

Also how do I check the Chaos Frame thing if I want to recruit a certain character in 4C

Spoiler

Cressidia - How do you recruit her exactly? Is in an entry in Warren report? I know my total kills show more Galgastani than other clans, hope that doesn't ruin my chances.

 

[Basileus777]

Apparently once you get the Fire Crest you can see your chaos frame rating in the warren report, but seeing as that takes multiple runs through the Palace of the Dead to get, you are going to have to do it a more inexact way.


When you recruit a new unit, your chaos frame with that unit's clan will determine his/her starting loyalty. Check the starting loyalty of new Galgistani recruits to see where you are at.

 

[Unknown One]

Oz 2 was much easier.

Still...

Edit:

I also think duckroll does Denam a disservice. He is much more intelligent than he initially appears (at least on the chaos side).

I like Chaos Denam the most actually. Neutral he's a tool and Law is similar to just with a that burden he keeps repeating over and over.

 

[platypotamus]

If you have a lot of them you want to level up I've been having fun making armies of low level classes and grinding away. The maps scale down well all the way to level 1. In just a few hours of battling while watching basketball I got 7 classes from 1 to 10 or 11 and had a good time of it.

:O

I guess I know how I'm levelling my Ninja and Dragoon. What do I do for healing though? All of my healing classes are as high level as everything else, they'll screw up the scaling.

 

[Basileus777]

:O

I guess I know how I'm levelling my Ninja and Dragoon. What do I do for healing though? All of my healing classes are as high level as everything else, they'll screw up the scaling.

Use item lobbers, or healing scrolls.

 

[platypotamus]

Use item lobbers, or healing scrolls.

I didn't even realize that I sucked at this game until these last couple of posts.

 

[fistwell_old]

I didn't even realize that I sucked at this game until these last couple of posts.

Yeah i'm with you on that one pretty much. I've spent most of my WE playing, yet i still don't exactly know what's going on in there. I think i'll respec my sloppy bunch of knights/warriors as ninjas and dragoons tonight and grind them up while watching tv or something.

Edit: I just wish i had a newer cooler class to recycle my archers and casters at the same time.

 

[Unknown One]

It sucks saving

Spoiler

Cressida 3 times thing you'll surely get her, but don't. After her quote on killing her sister and mother I want to respond "bitch I just saved your retarded ass!". It's hard to judge if I met the perquisite or not. What quote on recruited loyalty do I need on Law,neutral or Chaotic?

 

[duckroll]

I also think duckroll does Denam a disservice. He is much more intelligent than he initially appears (at least on the chaos side).

But duckroll Pavel on Law route is really pretty dumb.

I gotta get back into this game. Still in chapter 4, got distracted over the weekend by Dead Money... Hopefully I can beat this by the time Dissidia012 is out later this week.

 

[careful]

It sucks saving

Spoiler

Cressida 3 times thing you'll surely get her, but don't. After her quote on killing her sister and mother I want to respond "bitch I just saved your retarded ass!". It's hard to judge if I met the perquisite or not. What quote on recruited loyalty do I need on Law,neutral or Chaotic?

That's what I'm about to do next. Let me know if you find out how to check the loyalty.
And thanks Basileus777, I'll try your tip on new Galgastani recruits.

 

[Unknown One]

Spoiler

I heard it's based on the galgastani loyalty when you recruit them. I'm not sure which type of path Law, Neutral, or Chaos.

If you are asking to check character loyalty press select and highlight the name.

I'm sure basileus might know.

 

[Augemitbutter]

saving optional story units can be a real pain. it's hard to rescue someone when they run into the opposite direction.

 

[DarkKyo]

saving optional story units can be a real pain. it's hard to rescue someone when they run into the opposite direction.

They are so dumb.. for real.