Pretty much this, except Asbel = Sophie >>> Richard for me. Though I've yet to beat the main game and do f arc so maybe it will change in regards to those three. But right now, Richard is hardly even a character IMO.
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Pretty much this, except Asbel = Sophie >>> Richard for me. Though I've yet to beat the main game and do f arc so maybe it will change in regards to those three. But right now, Richard is hardly even a character IMO.
Mattakuevan
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Ah well, I certainly liked Richard more in F than I did in the main game. In the main game Richard is a terrible "character".
aliencowz7
Member
I think pascal was one of the characters in graces I would put at my least favorite for the cast. She felt rather heavyhanded with her personality and there were points i just wished she would either act like a normal person or get less screen time.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Regarding the cast, this is one of the rare Tales casts where I don't really despise anyone, so that's good enough for me. Indifferent? Probably. Despise? No.
This same trend carried on into Xillia, but I'll admit that Jude sometimes tested my patience (clingy), but he's a good guy overall.
Crispin Freeman is probably my favourite, I guess.
This same trend carried on into Xillia, but I'll admit that Jude sometimes tested my patience (clingy), but he's a good guy overall.
Yeah. It's just completely random, that's all. Sometimes it'll take you a while or a few trips to get the carta.
So bad. :lol
Crispin Freeman is probably my favourite, I guess.
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Really? I actually don't find her to come off that strongly at all. She's zany yes, but she otherwise knows her stuff and knows when it's time to act more serious (though still in her own way).
I'm surprised more people don't mention the fact that Pascal is basically a glorified plot device. Her reason for joining the party is superfluous, she never get another reason for staying with the party besides just to save the world I guess, and she practically knows everything about anything. Basically, the developers pretty much included her as a scapegoat to divulge information the party doesn't know or for convenient solutions to any known problem in the world the party might face. Since I love Pascal, I have no problem with this.
Very poorly.
why does the vesperia costume for Asbel give me the worst possible battle theme. There was 3 of them and they pick the one I don't even remember.
Pretty sure that's the
Alexei battle theme
aliencowz7
Member
I dunno, the only times she actually got serious enough that i didn't find it a little offputting were towards the end of the game and didn't last all that long. It's not really even a super strong dislike i have for her, just thought she was the weakest written character which led to me caring for her less then the others.
Mattakuevan
Member
What's funniest about this is that the group would have never stood a chance without Pascal. The same cannot be said for Malik/Cheria/Hubert and in some ways Sophie/Asbel. In terms of plot progression Pascal was a living deus ex machina who was pretty much the only reason they succeeded in doing anything.
It was really weird, lol.
I don't remember the battle music at all, except for maybe the very first battle themewhy does the vesperia costume for Asbel give me the worst possible battle theme. There was 3 of them and they pick the one I don't even remember.
Disclaimer: -The following statements are obviously my opinion, because of harsh views against some characters I am writing this to assure you that if you disagree with my opinion that is fine, I just figured I would explain why I had hate in a bit more detail. I am adding this merely because I still don't have a complete grasp on how the community is here and saying such things on some other forums could potentially be seen as fighting words/ cause problems. I think GAF is better than that and understands I am just voicing my views, but I would rather play it safe than cause trouble. -
I found him annoying to start with, didn't like any of his sub plots, didn't enjoy using him in battle and in general didn't feel like he added anything to the main story. His existence just added a few hours of pointless filler that I didn't enjoy doing in general. He had a few moments but nothing I consider worth even having him exist in the game and I feel that the game in general would have been better of had he not existed, though only a little as despite not liking him at all he didn't really ruin the experience for me. I still quite enjoyed Vesperia. That being said... I would take him any day over Colette.
As for Genis I am not a huge fan of him either, but I found Colette to be so much worse that he became a moot point, plus my wife helped me like him by screaming "Genis needs TP, Genis needs TP" in the middle of battle lol
For Anise, I actually didn't mind her. She had moments I really didn't like but she also had moments I really enjoyed. In general I would say it balanced out and I mostly nothing her.
As I have drifted somewhat off topic I will come back and ask an on topic question. Have people in here been doing the Trails of Graces at all, and if so does anyone here have a top 10 score?
Fixed. Hope you don't mind haha.
And agreed. Pascal is pretty much God in this game.
Haha no disclaimer necessary. It's your opinion, I don't mind lol.
Your views are completely valid. I agree with Karol being pretty annoying at first, both in battle and story, but I actually liked his progression and he becomes pretty monstrous in battle.
And I hope you don't mind me seeing that I detest Anise (though I'm not a fan of the Abyss cast overall to begin with) and I think Genis is the worst party member in Symphonia (I like Colette).
chickdigger802
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oh... so Pascal really never has any backstory or anything? My initial reaction was that she was probably the final boss or something >.>"
Didn't this and the wii version score well in japan? wtf are they seeing that I'm missing here?
Combat is fun... but that's pretty much 2 hours out of my 15hours or so playthrough so far
.Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Asbel - Cutting off the Dark Ambitionswhy does the vesperia costume for Asbel give me the worst possible battle theme. There was 3 of them and they pick the one I don't even remember.
Cheria - A Bet on This Bout
Hubert - Fury Sparks (DLC)
Sophie - Lost Memories
I would have preferred the 3rd battle theme, that one was the best.
The battle music is really disappointing, should have pre-ordered so I could at least see what the Destiny battle theme was.fuck I need fury sparks in my blood right now. If that DLC ever comes out, instantly bought and Hubert never leaves my party. The main boss battle theme for Cheria is also decent, but I really don't like Asbel's or Sophie's.
oh... so Pascal really never has any backstory or anything? My initial reaction was that she was probably the final boss or something >.>"
Didn't this and the wii version score well in japan? wtf are they seeing that I'm missing here?
Combat is fun... but that's pretty much 2 hours out of my 15hours or so playthrough so far
Sorry, I should have probably spoiler tagged though I didn't really spoil any main events.
And I really enjoy the game, but it's definitely due to the battle system and skits/quotes/etc. and not the story. And don't worry about that. I feel like the story sort of takes second fiddle later in the game lol. As in there are far fewer cutscenes and they are more spread out and shorter in length generally.
I would have preferred the 3rd battle theme, that one was the best.
fuck I need fury sparks in my blood right now. If that DLC ever comes out, instantly bought and Hubert never leaves my party. The main boss battle theme for Cheria is also decent, but I really don't like Asbel's or Sophie's.
I wanted Furnace of War, but eh. Rita's costume looks really good on Cheria, so it's win/win
I also disliked Karol at first but grew to like him by the end. I liked/loved everyone else in Vesperia, especially Yuri and Rita.
GODDAMN did I hate Collete in Symphonia. I was so damn glad she spent a portion of the game being unable to speak.
GODDAMN did I hate Collete in Symphonia. I was so damn glad she spent a portion of the game being unable to speak.
I haven't finished the game yet but I can agree with your statement about the game. The battle system is a nice change of pace from normal, and the skits/quotes are great, most of them have me and my wife laughing out loud (the ones that are supposed to be funny at least) Meanwhile the story is passable, not really going to blow anyone way but at the same time not so terrible that the game falls apart.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Aw. That's a shame.
We're all probably used to hearing Adult Link's voice coming out of his mouth, that's why.
I can't comment on Vesperia since I'm not sure how the localization for some characters went. Sometimes localizations can improve characters or make them less likeable. I've heard that the localization for Vesperia went well, so that's cool. Karol's Japanese voice didn't really help matters, since I didn't really like it much.
Colette sucks. I think a lot of people dislike her. Genis, I'm indifferent towards since my bf started mimicking his "don't bother me don't bother me don't bother me" a lot during multiplayer.
Anise sucks. Actually, I dislike most of Abyss's cast. Asshole Luke, Tear and Jade are the only ones I like. The character interactions in that game tick me off sometimes. Mieu can get thrown off a cliff for all I care.
Play Carta Card with the guy who has a smiley face floating above him in Sable Izole.
Bleh, I want the Rita costume but I'll never find enough cards. Fury Sparks is all I need, but I don't know I'll be able to actually get it.
Yuri and Rita were the best, Judith was pretty cool too. And Raven! Man, thinking about it, it was really that much better. The Vesperia group had better alchemy.
In Graces, it's pretty bad, they are all annoying, except Pascal. Fuck, Karol is better than 3/4 of the cast.
Also i hate the whole omg friends. Also the love relationships are so ridiculously bad. Worse than the worst of animes.
Maybe that's it. But his VA doesn't sound fitting at all to me. I guess because I did expect the low, somber tone he had in the JP version, but even then, his English VA makes him sound old to me for some reason. Like some gruff middle aged man. I don't know, but I don't like it at all.
We see completely eye to eye on Abyss's cast. Except I like Guy and as strange as it is, dislike Jade.
I LOVED Raven. Second fav character besides Yuri. So much fun to play as too. I loved the whole damn cast. I really liked Estelle even, and Repede was super cool (and oddly cute at times haha).
Don't worry, you'll find enough cards in due time. If anything you can farm for them.
I totally cheesed the hard mode and took a picture with my phone
The only Tales game where I've actually seen people actually kiss (or the illusion of it) is in ToS2. Is there any tales games where the protagonist and his love interest actually do more than awkwardly create sexual tension and hug? Maybe games are not ready for some real ROMANCE IN THEIR LIVES.
Why would you do that?
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So I went to the shop owner in the 2nd desert town (the one with the scholar tower thing) and the shopkeeper offered to sell me an item for 100,000 Gald. Not wanting to part with my money, I declined, then saved my game, but he isn't offering the item anymore.
Not at all, one of my favorite phrases to mutter on other forums is "to each their own" though I can understand how someone could detest Anise, she just somehow didn't even up rubbing me the wrong way even though I expected her to when I first met her.
As for Colette, honestly I don't hate her role in the story or her personality (don't love it either), I just hate her interactions with the rest of the party. Overall I enjoy Lloyd, but god his interactions with Colette are borderline painful at times lol.
So I went to the shop owner in the 2nd desert town (the one with the scholar tower thing) and the shopkeeper offered to sell me an item for 100,000 Gald. Not wanting to part with my money, I declined, then saved my game, but he isn't offering the item anymore.
You actually check the counter behind him for the 100,000 Gald item instead of talking to him.
So I went to the shop owner in the 2nd desert town (the one with the scholar tower thing) and the shopkeeper offered to sell me an item for 100,000 Gald. Not wanting to part with my money, I declined, then saved my game, but he isn't offering the item anymore.
You have 100k Gald... I am like level 35 or so and I don't think I have topped over 20k yet... darn dualizing sucking up all of my money. I am hoping later in the game there is a good place to get money other wise I am going to be broke forever.
So I went to the shop owner in the 2nd desert town (the one with the scholar tower thing) and the shopkeeper offered to sell me an item for 100,000 Gald. Not wanting to part with my money, I declined, then saved my game, but he isn't offering the item anymore.
Pretty sure that's Cheria's swimsuit title.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I was curious so I checked a YouTube video.
Oh, uh, wow.
I definitely agree with everything you said about it. It's weird. Naw, it doesn't really fit, imo. Can't imagine that timbre associated with any of these.
I don't mind Guy, though he falls into indifference for me despite looking out for the protagonist a lot.
It's a bit of a shame that he doesn't really grow until much later on in the game, and seemed to serve as comic relief or the 'bro' of the party.
Why was I not this smart when I did it in the JP version! :/Negator said:
I'll PM you tomorrow and ask you how TotA went!Gravijah said:
Why would you do that?
Member
About the voice acting... The one thing I really disliked is that you could totally tell who's evil or will become evil by their voice.
Specifically
.
Oh... Huh.
Thanks.
Specifically
that woman who you meet on the other planet and the President of the desert country (who you can clearly tell never turns evil)
Oh... Huh.
Thanks.
That's pretty much why I've lost interest in the "smart" character in Tales games. It's boring when the party conviently has some unparalleled genius engineer hanging out with them because they basically have nothing better to do, and they manage to solve any big problem by themselves if you give them a night or two to think.
I take Pascal for what she is, and she's really good at that, but Jade was the last character of this type where I liked both their character and their role/involvement in the plot.
I can't remember anything like kissing off the top of my head, but Hearts is pretty blatant about the relationship between Shing and Kohak (Amber). Unlike most Tales games, you could pretty say they're a couple a good while before the game ends.
I forgot that game existed...I just looked up some videos and WOW at the voices. What on earth happened to poor Zelos?
ShockingAlberto
Member
Vesperia handled it best with there only being two romance subplots:
- Karol and Nan
- Occasional sexual tension between Judith and Yuri
That's it
Why would you do that?
Member
I had money problems, too. However, somewhere around the end of exploring the snow country, my income started increasing a lot because the harder enemies drop more money, and before I knew it, I had 100K Gald.
I later found a spell book which increases Gald earned in battle, and now have about 200K Gald. If I only knew of the book beforehand...
I found that book post game. I was SO PISSED when I found it.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
It's too bad they didn't keep the accessory glitch in the English version otherwise you guys would've been rolling in cash.
I had, like, 3 million gald or something by the time I got to Yu Liberte when I used the exploit on my second playthrough.
I had, like, 3 million gald or something by the time I got to Yu Liberte when I used the exploit on my second playthrough.
See the reason why I like Pascal and didn't like Jade was mainly because while Jade did know how to solve shit and what would happen, he ALWAYS held that to himself until it was already too late. I know I'm like the only non-Jade fan on the planet but I couldn't stand it when he was like "I don't think I should share right now trololol oops now it's too late."
Um, Estelle + Yuri? Granted theirs was very low key and some think it was only a close friend/bro + sis relationship I'd like to think it was romantic. Mainly because I liked the pairing due to the different backgrounds which the game could have explored but never did. Oh well.
Also since some people mentioned victory quotes earlier, my favorite that almost always manages to make me laugh a bit is something to like this:
Hubert: "That would have been perfect if you hadn't botched the finish."
Pascal: "Aww flattery will get you nowhere."
Hubert: "You insufferable woman!"
Nah, Estelle and Yuri were like, sisbros.
Yuri and Judith clearly wanted to fuck.
Estelle gets paired off with Rita.
fixed
Why would you do that?
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I used to make double cheeseburgers and sell them for close to 2000 Gald each. The cost of materials (minced meat from Turtlez, onion from the 1st desert town/port, bread from Barona, and cheese from the 2nd desert town) was cheap.
However, I soon realized that the price for dualizing a double cheeseburger was really expensive, more than 1/2 the price of the regular cheeseburger. (Yes, the cost of putting a hamburger in a cheeseburger is expensive.) It'd just be more worth it for me to fight enemies for Gald...
However, I soon realized that the price for dualizing a double cheeseburger was really expensive, more than 1/2 the price of the regular cheeseburger. (Yes, the cost of putting a hamburger in a cheeseburger is expensive.) It'd just be more worth it for me to fight enemies for Gald...
I wonder if the developers realized how LesYay they made Rita with Estelle. Or rather, I wonder if that was their intention? Though close friends in Japanese media, especially anime stuff, is almost always homoerotic so I shouldn't be surprised.
And Raven gets paired with Karol dude, get it right. Poor Repede has to settle for Patty.
AlphaDragoon
Member
So I'm further into the game now, and while the battle system still sucks in my opinion compared to a Team Symphonia game, at least it isn't detrimental to my fun. I actually love the characters thus far (except that douchebag Hubert), and I'm enjoying the game. And I like Asbel, he hasn't done anything to bug me whatsoever thus far, he didn't whine or cry even though
he had a pretty shitty couple of days at the beginning of the game, with everything basically going wrong for him for no reason other than "the universe wants to screw you over".
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
I'm sure they didn't intend for it. They just sucked at writing a female friends subplot. There is a chance though that they played it up more in the PS3 version as a form of fanservice to shippers
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
That's pretty weird. Tempered or no?
You did it as (I know the JP names aren't the same, but...):
Rare Blade + Fukisusabu crystal = Volcan Tekka (stimulating)
Volcan Tekka (Stimulating) + Fragment (Gentlemanly OR Stimulating OR Breakthrough) = Volcan Tekka (Dazzling)?
I recall it wanting 'gorgeous', but that must be what 'dazzling' is in the English version.
AlphaDragoon
Member
Around-Step sucks because they tell you "Oh you can just quickly hit a direction and the character will do it", but then they don't. You have to use the Square+direction button.
Uh no, I've had this av for like a year plus, well before they put character avs on the OT/hype thread where you claimed yours (I even made a comment saying I had the Asbel av before it was cool lol).