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Tales of Graces |OT| Gracing the PS3 with the Best RPG Combat
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Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
What I mean by "cameo weapon", I mean by weapons that have natures that are the names of certain previous Tales characters. You buy them through stamps, and they're generally the Level 10 reward.
But it's way better to buy a Rare weapon from stamps, dualize it with a good nature, and then hand it over. Dualization is your friend.
I don't think there's any negative Qualities, actually. Some that adjust the resale value badly, sure, but I don't think there's any actual minus stat ones. I'm not actually through the entire game so I could be wrong.
Incidentally, for those curious as to how the Quality names work, they're in tiers by the number of letters in the quality. These then determine your result:
Two 4-letter Qualities => 5-letter Quality
Two 5-letter Qualities => 6-letter Quality
And so-on. I'm not sure if this charts out perfectly (that is, Oily + Keen always yields X) but I'll look into it when I get to playing/dualizing again. There's some other small things (certain combinations of Quality/Shard type will boost the Shard's value) but, again, playtesting gets you everywhere :x
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
That's how it worked in the JP version, yeah. I came across a google doc during my lunch break that maps out the qualities in the English version. I'd link the JP wiki, but the quality names are entirely different.
I was going to put Oily + Keen = Suave but something in me kept thinking "Wait, was it Rigid?" so I just went with "X." Should've trusted my gut!
Also, damn, this chart saves me a ton of time. I'll double check a few of them when I get the chance but nice find!
Beat the main game yesterday, gotta, say, this is going to be one of my most favorite games ever, i really liked the ending, and the credits just made me feel all the better, awesome music.. and awesome art.
I can definitely see how it leaves you wanting more though, so that's why I've started that Lineage option or whatever it's called. Is that what is considered the "future" arc?
I can definitely see how it leaves you wanting more though, so that's why I've started that Lineage option or whatever it's called. Is that what is considered the "future" arc?
InfiniDragon
Member
Okay I have to ask at this point: is there a concrete way to determine how many stocks you will have when an Eleth Burst happens? Sometimes (read: most times) it's 1 and I'll just try to combo like crazy to fill it to 2 or 3 before one of my party members decides to use their Mystic Arte/BC. Occasionally I'll get 2 or 3 at the start of the burst but have absolutely no idea what I did differently to trigger the additional stocks.
All of the rest of Team Destiny's quirks I've learned to live with (still like TP better than CC) but the Eleth Burst system is flat out stupid, it reminds me in a bad way of Trance Mode in Final Fantasy IX.
All of the rest of Team Destiny's quirks I've learned to live with (still like TP better than CC) but the Eleth Burst system is flat out stupid, it reminds me in a bad way of Trance Mode in Final Fantasy IX.
Yes. And the future arc story and ending take a giant steamer on the entirety of the main arc.
Do you mean that in a good or bad way? now im worried XP
AlphaDragoon
Member
Good way, from what most people say. Bunches of folks say Future Arc is much better.
Beat the Main Arc last night and I'm doing that evil bonus dungeon before going on to Future (since they're retards and you can't do any post-game stuff if you start Future...), I liked the Main Arc ending honestly. I still prefer Abyss/Vesperia style battle systems by a lot though, that stupid CC (derp you run out and you can't attack PERIOD) and the random Trance Mode-like uncontrollable Eleth Bursts are lame.
Chapter 7 60 second boss
may be the easiest boss in the game so far :|
Pretty sure it's just stock from before (or perhaps combo hit count?). I just disabled the MAs of the other characters so they don't get used up. Though, I've gotten to just popping MAs outside of Eleth Burst anyway.
Uncontrollable on the Bursts kind of sucks, I suppose, but I haven't actually had one in a boss fight in so long that I'm not sure it's that big of a deal. Just trigger MAs through combo count.
But ... running out of CC isn't that big of a deal. It takes next to no time to refill (especially with Reinforce) and the short time to charge back to Iron Stance off Guard isn't exactly a bad thing.
Lambda
Pretty sure it's just stock from before (or perhaps combo hit count?). I just disabled the MAs of the other characters so they don't get used up. Though, I've gotten to just popping MAs outside of Eleth Burst anyway.
Uncontrollable on the Bursts kind of sucks, I suppose, but I haven't actually had one in a boss fight in so long that I'm not sure it's that big of a deal. Just trigger MAs through combo count.
But ... running out of CC isn't that big of a deal. It takes next to no time to refill (especially with Reinforce) and the short time to charge back to Iron Stance off Guard isn't exactly a bad thing.
You can do bonus dungeon after Future, it just places you back at the final save again with all your Future gear.
AlphaDragoon
Member
Huh, I was told otherwise. Thanks for letting me know that, I guess I'll give Future a shot then.
The fact that if it runs out you're basically stuck waiting for it to fill up to do anything that's gonna actually do damage sucks to me. It's like 5 seconds or so of downtime on my characters to go back to full, if I go in early I don't have access to my good moves or a decent string of attacks.
Brings me to another issue I had, certain characters (read: everyone that isn't Asbel and Sophie) get their easy mode Title that allows Lv. 1 Mystic Arte through a 25-hit combo just by getting enough skills. Asbel and Sophie get completely fucked over and have to do two rather annoying side-quests to get theirs.
What the hell. :/
I think it's the phrasing confusing people. Basically when you start the future arc you can't use that same save file to go back to the main story until you've finished the future arc. If you made a save before starting it then you could go back to that, but once you've started the future arc then you need to finish it to keep any progress you've made to use in the main story. So yeah, when you clear the future arc it puts you back to the final save point of the main story.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I used a Japanese Wiki for those; there are 85 in total (including the Future Arc discoveries). Discoveries are generally kind of obvious, but if you miss them the first time around, the only thing you'll miss is the associated skit (and you'll get titles for Sophie for viewing lots of skits).
I haven't found an English list for the discoveries yet, but you can try to use the Japanese wikis to navigate around.
http://wiki.mmo-station.com/msData/list/ps3togf/5294
http://www23.atwiki.jp/talesofgracesf/pages/73.html
Future Arc has somewhat better writing than the Adolescence arc, and the ending is better than the vanilla ending, imo.
Also, Shadi, was that Sonic 4 podcast with Ken Balough posted? I haven't been keeping up.
That boss is a complete and utter joke. The other bosses are a little harder, and apparently they're harder than the Wii version counterparts.
Yus, it was posted up long ago, here is a link
http://segabits.com/blog/2012/03/12/sonic-talk-4-episode-2/
also I'm glad to hear the future arc is good, looking forward to playing through it
Well, the trophies in order even suggest you do it this way (well, in English)
When you get the Future trophy it says
"Next up: The Zhonecage!"
At 15-20 CC for most every character, it's hard to run out. Proper combos stagger enemies which leads to a single 1CC hit restoring ~10 CC and proper evading restores around 3. I don't really need to "sit here and do nothing" all that often unless I royally messed up a combo or if it's a boss that pulled the whole "and suddenly, no combo!" maneuver on me.
Running out of CC is pretty rare for me and I vastly prefer always having CC for every fight to "better save my TP!" But, to each their own, I suppose? Xillia, if we get that, is a TP system with the "regen" aspect of CC so probably the best of both worlds for us then.
My experience is definitely beyond the average, I think I have all of them for everyone; hell, I got my Level 3 Mystic Artes for everyone this way long before any of the Level 2 Mystic Artes.
Most the 60s bosses have been rough (except Chapter 5's
Kurt
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Thank you. I'd been looking forward to it, got busy and kinda forgot about it until I saw you post in here.
Future Arc gets pretty awesome when you get Accel Mode and Lv 4 Blast Calibers, imo.
TP regeneration seems faster in Xillia (seriously, Jude punches 3-4 times and recovers a ton of it), but at the beginning, you might feel a little limited by it, even with an AC counter on-hand.scy said:
cpp_is_king
Member
Do yo happen to have EN <-> JP quality translations? That would be HUGE if so because the JP wiki lists what area to actually find each quality in
Malik is your friend. Use spells and lots of them. "Reduce Enemies" in strategy also helps.
You can replay it, yes.
goldlion054
Member
Good fucking god, I just got done with the ass beating of a lifetime. I was fighting
and just getting wrecked. I couldn't combo, stun, or sustain any real damage. All the while this boss was dealing massive damage and kept respawning these annoying goons. I spent 10 minutes trying to win the fight, exhausting all of my items and every tactic I had. I eventually had to lower the difficulty after a few attempts. It was awful. After I won (lowered the difficulty to Normal), I only got 150 SP out of it lol. I felt like I deserved it for having to lower the difficulty, though
Kurt
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Congrats!
My first JP playthrough plat took about 110+ hours on one playthrough and I felt quite relieved when I finished it off. Two playthroughs are recommended if you don't want to tear your hair out, honestly.
I never bothered getting the plat for Vesperia PS3 at all. Xillia's plat is much easier than Graces' and Vesperia's by comparison because it's all grinding stuff.
I'll try to come up with some based on both graphs. There is a quality list on the Japanese Wiki which corresponds to the Google Doc if you think it might be more helpful, though.
Edit: Here.
There are six ranks of qualities, so I'll organize them that way.
Rank 1
するどい -> Keen
かたい -> Hard
かっこいい -> Cool
うつくしい -> Cute
ざらざら -> Rapt
つるつる -> Oily
ごつい -> Buff
さわやか -> Cold
Rank 2
豪快 -> Grand
優雅 -> Noble
上品 -> Suave
古風 -> Olden
温厚 -> Sunny
頑固 -> Rigid
Rank 3
禍々しい -> Wicked
刺々しい -> Barbed
寒々しい -> Frosty
暑苦しい -> Stuffy
堅苦しい -> Formal
重々しい -> Solemn
Rank 4
野性的 -> Untamed
紳士的 -> Gallant
威圧的 -> Haughty
刺激的 -> Sketchy
神秘的 -> Magical
画期的 -> Epochal
Rank 5
ワンダフル -> Fabulous
ゴージャス -> Dazzling
デンジャラス -> Perilous
ソウルフル -> Poignant
ダンディ -> Vigorous
ハートフル -> Gracious
Rank 6
なんでもない -> Worthless
平々凡々 -> Tolerable
気にならない -> Easygoing
どうでもいい -> Diffident
淡々 -> Impartial
ふつう -> Competent
地味 -> Unadorned
目立たない -> Concealed
ものたりない -> Deficient
存在が空気 -> Pointless
You sure can. Just use the clear save from the main arc to start a new one up.Esura said:
Okay, so Graces definitely has the best Mystic Artes in the series. Everyone's third is amazing, and their fourth is pretty cool too (some are too short though, but Malik's is godly). I couldn't possibly pick a single favorite or even a favorite character based on MA since they all have some awesome ones. Top three would probably be Hubert, Malik, and Cheria, but I love Asbel's, Richard's, and Sophie's too. Pascal probably has my least favorite level 1 and 2 but she more than makes up for it with her level 3. Graces, Rebirth, and Vesperia PS3 have the best MAs for sure.
cpp_is_king
Member
Perfect, now here's a little spreadsheet of my own.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28452354/Shards.xlsx
Page 1 lists shard types and qualities sorted by location. A few of the locations I wasn't sure how to translate from the JP wiki.
Sneak Institute
Cornell Research Facility
Wind Machine Ruins
Alien Paradise
If anyone knows what these are, I'll fix it up.
Page 2 is the interesting stuff though. This way you can see exactly where the particular quality of shard you are looking for drops rather than looking in every single specific row for the one you want.
If you're looking for a Dazzling quality shard, for example, just go down to row 30 and see that it drops in Zhonecage 2F, Zhonecage 8F, and Sandshroud Ruins.
To keep the width of the page down, I've abbreviated the column headers. However, they appear in the same order as the list on the first page, so you can go back if you want. In the next update I'll add little hover tooltips to each column header.
Also in the next update I'll do the same thing for the shard types (e.g. Attack, Mind, etc). I think this way of organizing is far more useful than listing them grouped by location.
Finally in the next update I'll add shard combinations for each quality.
cpp_is_king
Member
How do you resell inheritance and resell multiplier work exactly?
In other words, suppose the sell price of an item is X, the resell multiplier is Y, and the resell inheritance is Z. Can I compute the sale price of the item after I dualize it with only these 3 numbers?
In other words, suppose the sell price of an item is X, the resell multiplier is Y, and the resell inheritance is Z. Can I compute the sale price of the item after I dualize it with only these 3 numbers?
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Pretty awesome work so far!
As for the location names:
Sneak Institute - Fendel Research Laboratory
Cornell Research Facility -
Humanoid Research Center
Alien Paradise - I think they translated this to
"Arcadia Garden"
Perhaps this and that other Google Doc I found should be linked in the OP. This is extremely helpful stuff for those looking for 100% completion/high-powered equipment with high resell value or a platinum.
For page one,
なんでもない = Worthless (Zonecage 1F)
目立たない = Conspicuous (Zonecage 8F)
ものたりない = Deficient (Zonecage 9F)
That's because they decrease the weapon's sell value, lol.
Maybe 5-10 hours.
I thought the Wiki sorta covered this when I glanced over it. It details five numbers, including those three.cpp_is_king said:
cpp_is_king
Member
Ok, couple random questions.
1) After beating future arc, the guy who gives you rewards for Magic Carta is gone. Does anyone know if he ever comes back?
2) Also the person in
who lets you purchase 1 title for each member of the party (price increases each time) seems to be gone. Any idea?
3) Lastly, supposedly you can buy a title for Cheria in Sable Izolle for 100k, but that person is gone too.
1) After beating future arc, the guy who gives you rewards for Magic Carta is gone. Does anyone know if he ever comes back?
2) Also the person in
Telos Astue
3) Lastly, supposedly you can buy a title for Cheria in Sable Izolle for 100k, but that person is gone too.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
You should be able to do all of that stuff when you come back to the main game, especially--for example--since you can find carta in the future arc in the first place.
Did you go back to Lhant after activating the skit in the final dungeon? Or enter the Zone Cage? Seems like generally, stuff is blocked off unless you complete an event.
Did you go back to Lhant after activating the skit in the final dungeon? Or enter the Zone Cage? Seems like generally, stuff is blocked off unless you complete an event.
Ok, about to start now that I'm done Mass Effect 3. Quick questions:
How is Moderate if you normally skip most enemies (unless you run into them) and usually fight bosses underlevelled? I normally play Tales games on Normal. Then again, I only found the bosses in Vesperia to be hard (Wolf, SM17) because I was also trying to get the Secret Mission achievements on them.
Where is the Manual option? I can't seem to find it in options or status... I hate Semi-Auto x.x
How is Moderate if you normally skip most enemies (unless you run into them) and usually fight bosses underlevelled? I normally play Tales games on Normal. Then again, I only found the bosses in Vesperia to be hard (Wolf, SM17) because I was also trying to get the Secret Mission achievements on them.
Where is the Manual option? I can't seem to find it in options or status... I hate Semi-Auto x.x
Manual option is under Artes. I think Moderate is the perfect difficulty, but you may have a little trouble if you go out of your way to skip enemies. There was only a couple of bosses that I found really hard on moderate before I moved to Hard. I'd recommend you try a harder difficulty and move down if it's too hard, so start with moderate.
In the Arte category, should be beside the character portrait.
cpp_is_king
Member
Well I still can't really figure out a good way to make money, it's quite frustrating. Spend 2 hours in the sandstretch trying to farm Perilous shards and I only got 2 in the entire time. Yippee.
What are other people doing? It's going to cost me close to 700k gald just to go from rank 8 to rank 10 stamp at the Turtlez, not to mention all the other stuff I need to spend money on.
What are other people doing? It's going to cost me close to 700k gald just to go from rank 8 to rank 10 stamp at the Turtlez, not to mention all the other stuff I need to spend money on.
If one organizes and times the combos and evading well CC can be earned as quickly as it's used, thus never running short of it. If no CC is left it's the game's way to tell you you're doing it wrong, and there are many ways to correct that.
systemfehler
Member
I really liked my first (and sadly only) Tales - Tales of Symphonia on the Gamecube. How does Graces compare to it when it comes to exploration, cities, quests, etc.? Also is the US version playable on a EU PS3? I somehow don't have faith in the summer 2012 release date for Europe.
AlphaDragoon
Member
I'm not getting hit by enemies when I evade but I'm not getting CC back every time I do so. If it's like some Just Frame dodging business to get CC back from it every time guaranteed then that would kind of suck.
Anyway, I'm doing the Future Arc...and I kinda hate it, story wise.
They're WAY too heavy-handed with the stupid romance plots, it's damn near all they talk about. Not to mention the backtracking hell of reusing old dungeons and the cutscenes every 5 minutes. I do really like that Sophie got adopted by Asbel though, as weird as it is that a 19 year old would have a 14 year old daughter. XD
I can answer the second part - PS3 games are region free, so yes, you can play the US version on an EU machine.
Not that I'd know, since my pre-order still hasn't arrived
Never ordering from Planet Axel again!systemfehler
Member
I can answer the second part - PS3 games are region free, so yes, you can play the US version on an EU machine.
Not that I'd know, since my pre-order still hasn't arrived
Thanks. I have a reliable store which has 3 copies left but for the insane price of 70 + shipping.
Of course it does depend on the timing...
AlphaDragoon
Member
I know they're both made by Namco, but I didn't think I was playing T6 or SC5 and had to learn JFs. XD
The story of Future Arc has kinda killed any desire in me to play this game. Maybe I'll pick it up again tomorrow or something.