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Tales of Xillia |OT| "Progress" It's Been 15 Years. . .
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Dead Prince
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Try qriocity.com or whatever site Sony changed it to. I think they don't ask too many questions to change itZhund0r said:
pancakesandsex
Member
Bebpo said:
It looks like we might be getting oodles of silly hats instead?
ShockingAlberto said:
I am worried about that, but Team Symphonia titles tend to have a lot. So here's hoping.
Aeana: Yea and hopefully it makes them see the light about Vesperia.
Bebpo said:
Well its still possible there's spa outfits ingame, but yeah swimsuit D: But maid was usually ingame too. School wasn't... I can only hope.
InternHertz said:
Nope, that's a special cover for the backside. The code is on a small white slip of paper inside the case.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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I can't read Kanji yet but I'm assuming that Milla's Mystic Arte in the screenshots is
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Ultimate Elements
AlphaDragoon
Member
Aeana said:
I keep hearing about how amazing Team Destiny battle systems are, but never see anything in video that actually proves the point. Can anyone explain it to me? Because all I typically see in videos about Graces looks like de-evolution, where you're forced onto a straight line again with no awesome Free Run and mostly standing in the exact same spot with the occasional odd looking side-step thing, combined with Artes.
Maybe it's one of those things where you have to play it to understand. I have yet to, but I'm excited to try it out when it comes out here.
Seven Force
Banned
Huh, apparently the new Nintendo Power says that Abyss 3DS was pushed back to Q1 2012 in North America. That's a shame, I was looking forward to playing it this year :/
Team Destiny battle systems tend to be faster paced, same with the Mystic Artes in those games because they tend to flow much better into combos and are quick but flashy.AlphaDragoon said:
CC over TP also makes the games much more fun since you're not constantly pausing the game to use Orange Gels early on, or you have so much TP late game that spamming isn't an issue (Vesperia). It provides a nice balance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z5zKJP-a28
Tales of Destiny remake is usually consistently known for having the best battle system in the series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z5zKJP-a28
Just VERY fast paced, and the speed compared to the original Destiny is crazy.
Team Destiny also isn't afraid to be a bit experimental, like with Tales of Destiny 2 and the having a player and enemy "zone", or Tales of Rebirth that has 3 lines to shift through.
FateBreaker
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I think that's exciting! What's depressing, and probable, is that you'll never play a localized version of this game._Xenon_ said:
ShockingAlberto
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Shitty, but not unexpectedLucky Number Seven Force said:
It basically harpoons whatever chance that game had in the chest, though.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
kiryogi said:
Has Free Run been confirmed to be in Xillia though? I don't think I've seen them do it in the trailers, other then the AI at least.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Maybe the enemies will be more aggressive or have better tracking on their attacks. Free run saved me so many times in Abyss and Vesperia.
Pretty funny when you can just juke enemies at the last second to avoid any damage. I can see why it would be a bad thing gameplay wise though.
Pretty funny when you can just juke enemies at the last second to avoid any damage. I can see why it would be a bad thing gameplay wise though.
Shouta
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AlphaDragoon said:
Free Run isn't bad per se but the problem is that most Team Symphonia games, the ones that use free run the most, aren't designed around them and in general kind of just gets in the way of the game rather than add anything particularly useful. It would change if the design philosophy did but the basic idea remains so most of the time free run feels a bit bland.
Remember that Tales games runs on an action battle system that emphasizes combos. Free run typically actually slows down the combat because you usually move slow and it often can get in the way of doing combos on enemies. Graces F's sidestep is the serves the same function as a free run and it has the plus of being a defensive measure as well.
If positioning played a bigger role in Tales games, free run would be pretty nice but that isn't really what the teams are aiming for when they make these games.
AlphaDragoon
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kiryogi said:
I thought it was one of the best ideas they ever came up with. No longer do you have a "oh I'm a character who can't double jump so Sword Dancer's gonna rape me in the corner" situation. Or a "I could easily avoid this AoE magic spell simply by moving over that way a little bit, but the line I'm on offers me no possible way of moving out of it's path. Guess I'll just get hit and die".
In the 2D games it was understandable. The moment they went to 3D for battles not having a way to move through the space was unacceptable, IMO.
PoorFate said:
This is exactly why I like Free Run. Things I know I can avoid, I can actually avoid. But this will be all I say on the subject, since I'm off topic somewhat. Thanks for the responses.
I like Free Run. Gotta turn up the difficulty though to compensate. Otherwise it makes the game too easy.
Tales games are some of the only games I play on the hardest difficulty the first time through.
EDIT: OIC in Tales of Graces, you can only free run for a little bit, and then must wait for a period of time before you can do it again. I like the idea.
Tales games are some of the only games I play on the hardest difficulty the first time through.
EDIT: OIC in Tales of Graces, you can only free run for a little bit, and then must wait for a period of time before you can do it again. I like the idea.
AlphaDragoon said:
Tales combat is based around the whole premise of Linear motion. If you wanted movement in 3D, that's more Star Ocean if anything. Around Step allows you the movement in a 3D space while adhering to the core gameplay, not to mention it's really effective for tactical evasion.
Seda said:
I've said this before in the Graces topic, if you're using Free Run in Graces, you're doing it wrong.
Dead Prince
Banned
i just ordered with play-asia. Asian version + UPS for $87. much cheaper than amiami lol (100+)
So with reports of the First Print run being sold out I wonder if that means that the 500k number that was the estimated number of copies shipped will pretty much all be sold? Sounds like it could be close.
As of yesterday Gamestop did not have Tales of the Abyss listed for a 2011 release (and up until a month ago they did have it listed with the generic 11/1 placeholder date) because I went by and checked at my old workplace. Not that Gamestop is always right but it would back up what Lucky Number Seven Force posted.
For what it's worth they have Graces F listed as releasing on 2/8/12 which would be very reasonable. I just hope Graces doesn't get pushed to allow for the Tales of the Abyss release. And yes, it's beyond ridiculous that it's taking so long for the Abyss remake. I wonder if Europe is still on tap for a Nov release or if they got pushed also?
As of yesterday Gamestop did not have Tales of the Abyss listed for a 2011 release (and up until a month ago they did have it listed with the generic 11/1 placeholder date) because I went by and checked at my old workplace. Not that Gamestop is always right but it would back up what Lucky Number Seven Force posted.
For what it's worth they have Graces F listed as releasing on 2/8/12 which would be very reasonable. I just hope Graces doesn't get pushed to allow for the Tales of the Abyss release. And yes, it's beyond ridiculous that it's taking so long for the Abyss remake. I wonder if Europe is still on tap for a Nov release or if they got pushed also?
Word.kiryogi said:
Look, the whole great thing about Tales battles are the LMBS (linear motion battle system, linear motion referring to the straight line between the player and the selected target). All the player's actions are done based on the target. If the controls are done correctly this gives the player the ability to make instant responsive movements, be they of offensive (attacks) or defensive (back step, around step) nature. Eternia was the first Tales game where this was realized perfectly. Its battle designer/programmer Tatsuro Udo created polished experimentations of this solid base in the later "Team Destiny" games, Graces being the first realization in 3D.
The first thing "Team Symphonia" did was throw out LMBS out of the window. In Symphonia enemies were allowed to "free run" while players were stuck to the straight line between the player and the target. To "fix" this LMBS was broken even more in Abyss by allowing the player to free run as well. Why is free run an issue within LMBS? Free run ignores the target. The player is allowed to move the character into positions where the target is no longer in front, essentially taking away responsive offense and defense actions toward the target from the player. Abyss also showed the broken nature of free run if its speed is not balance to the enemies attacks (especially slow magic attacks). It's only the latter problem they "fixed". The internal inconsistency of having non-linear motions in LMBS is still there, apparently even in Xillia (if around step is indeed not included at all).
What sours the "Team Symphonia" battle experience even more in addition to the above is the kind of conservative design they keep applying (hello there 1998's face chat system). In the games Tatsuro Udo worked on every next game had completely different mechanics to which the battle system adhere to. The closest are Destiny PS2 and Graces, "Team Symphonia" on the other hand takes 1995's TP, some basic 2002's overlimit-esque take to execute Mystic Artes, and some additional gimmick. The biggest change to the core mechanics so far was the Artes Ball added in Vesperia PS3, allowing unrestricted combo sequences. A very "Team Symphonia" thing to do, throwing a new feature on the top of the pile and call it a day instead making sure the whole system works in a more consistent way. Now Artes Ball returns Xillia, and AC is the new crown on the top of the old pile. That said the additional gimmick Link Mode looks rather nice, I just hope it's balanced and enemies can do it as well.
Seven Force
Banned
I can get behind costume DLC, especially if it's an alternate way to obtain costumes otherwise obtained through easy to miss sidequests.
I'm looking at you, Dark Enforcer. >_>
Yeah, and don't forget their love of limiting the battle system severely at the beginning. You can't free run at the beginning of Abyss? You can't even use Backstep or Advancing Guard right away in Vesperia? And you can't use items on other party members until you get Item Thrower? It's really silly, and it's really artificial depth to limit the battle system like that.Datschge said:
Yah, I think I'm gonna go with the green alt for Elise and Red for Jude.Bebpo said:
It's always going to come down to this until other folks have played a TD or Team Destiny game. . . I've said it before, but I hope with Graces F that domestic folks realize how horrid Vesperia was.FSLink said:
rykomatsu
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http://www.fujitv.co.jp/fujibiji/index.html#infomax-top
No spoilers...looks great imho. Gameplay doesn't start until ~5 min in or so.
Baba talks about the camera function...free rotation unlike the locked camera angles of past. It's hard to determine whether it's just horizontal rotation or vertical as well....maybe y'all knew about it already, but new to me
Or NCSX's allotment sold out...either way a good thing imho.
No spoilers...looks great imho. Gameplay doesn't start until ~5 min in or so.
Baba talks about the camera function...free rotation unlike the locked camera angles of past. It's hard to determine whether it's just horizontal rotation or vertical as well....maybe y'all knew about it already, but new to me
kiryogi said:
Or NCSX's allotment sold out...either way a good thing imho.
I think I saw a page or so back where someone mentioned the same scenario from AmiAmi. Initial shipment was sold out and expected ship date would be when the 2nd batch came in. Again, this could just be the story for isolated web sites who export the game while the actual brick and mortar stores have a surplus but it is at least an encouraging sign.
I got my Five LE in yesterday. I'm really impressed with the packaging (although my wife was less than impressed with the mini poster of Milla in her bunny outfit!) although I haven't listened to it yet.
I got my Five LE in yesterday. I'm really impressed with the packaging (although my wife was less than impressed with the mini poster of Milla in her bunny outfit!) although I haven't listened to it yet.
Dead Prince
Banned
Hopefully I made it for first run shipment. LOL but then again I ordered Asian version on the 2nd lolAeana said: