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platypotamus
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Drkirby said:
My guess is it was his Giant Bomb trolling hijacking the steam thread.
fallengorn
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Banned for that? He should've gotten a medal.platypotamus said:
platypotamus
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I'm just on team trade-crates-to-suckers. They've gotten me some weapons I didn't have before, so I'm happy.
The really crazy thing is that I paid $2.50 total for TF2. God bless you steam sales.
Edit: Now that it's been two weeks is anybody ready to give their full opinions on the new polycount weapons. I still need to get the shortstop, the eternal reward and the sydney sleeper, but I have definitely added some of the new weapons into my rotation.
The Bushwacka is a fantastic addition to a Jarateer. If you Jarate someone they are pretty much dead if they let you hit them. Huntsman/Jarate/Bushwacka is the new standard battle sniper loadout in my opinion.
Darwin's Danger Shield is sort of interesting, but personally I could never replace Jarate for a passive boost. It's certainly much more useful than the razorback, but that's not saying much. I guess it's better than the SMG if you're the kind of sniper who sits way in the backfield and doesn't get involved in the skirmish much. Probably reserved for people running the full set.
Mad Milk doesn't seem incredibly helpful, and to give up the pistol for it is a difficult exchange. I haven't seen Mad Milk swing the tide of a skirmish (the way a well-placed jarate does) like I was expecting it to. The ability to extinguish teammates is always good, but i don't see too many people using this unless they are running the full set, like the Danger Shield.
The Degreaser is a great compromise between the killing power of the Backburner and the overall utility of the regular flamethrower. Degreaser plus Axtinguisher is a wicked combo. Giving up the extra burn hurts in defensive situations where you can't be chasing down enemies for the axe kill, but it's ultimately a fair trade.
The Powerjack is probably the smarter way to go in the long run than the axtinguisher, as you can more effectively deal with other pyros, but mmm that axtinguisher crit is satisfying. The Fire Axe is pretty much obsolete now though, which is somewhat disappointing because it looks so cool.
The L'Etranger is interesting but not really game changing, I can't really see anyone playing spy differently based on its mechanics.
I just can't justify giving up the health to use the vitasaw. If I'm playing medic well, I shouldn't be dying with lots of uber built up, so it just seems like a cop-out to use it, in my opinion.
Gloves of Running Urgently are handy but probably shouldn't be overused. They are more of a tool, like the Homewrecker.
I don't really play enough soldier to comment on his new weapons, but the battalion backup seems like a worthy complement to the buff banner.
Overall I would say it was a very good update, just need to see if the set bonuses are too powerful, though I very much doubt that they are.
Now they just need to fix some of the older items that are useless like dalokahs, and razorback.
Edit: Now that it's been two weeks is anybody ready to give their full opinions on the new polycount weapons. I still need to get the shortstop, the eternal reward and the sydney sleeper, but I have definitely added some of the new weapons into my rotation.
The Bushwacka is a fantastic addition to a Jarateer. If you Jarate someone they are pretty much dead if they let you hit them. Huntsman/Jarate/Bushwacka is the new standard battle sniper loadout in my opinion.
Darwin's Danger Shield is sort of interesting, but personally I could never replace Jarate for a passive boost. It's certainly much more useful than the razorback, but that's not saying much. I guess it's better than the SMG if you're the kind of sniper who sits way in the backfield and doesn't get involved in the skirmish much. Probably reserved for people running the full set.
Mad Milk doesn't seem incredibly helpful, and to give up the pistol for it is a difficult exchange. I haven't seen Mad Milk swing the tide of a skirmish (the way a well-placed jarate does) like I was expecting it to. The ability to extinguish teammates is always good, but i don't see too many people using this unless they are running the full set, like the Danger Shield.
The Degreaser is a great compromise between the killing power of the Backburner and the overall utility of the regular flamethrower. Degreaser plus Axtinguisher is a wicked combo. Giving up the extra burn hurts in defensive situations where you can't be chasing down enemies for the axe kill, but it's ultimately a fair trade.
The Powerjack is probably the smarter way to go in the long run than the axtinguisher, as you can more effectively deal with other pyros, but mmm that axtinguisher crit is satisfying. The Fire Axe is pretty much obsolete now though, which is somewhat disappointing because it looks so cool.
The L'Etranger is interesting but not really game changing, I can't really see anyone playing spy differently based on its mechanics.
I just can't justify giving up the health to use the vitasaw. If I'm playing medic well, I shouldn't be dying with lots of uber built up, so it just seems like a cop-out to use it, in my opinion.
Gloves of Running Urgently are handy but probably shouldn't be overused. They are more of a tool, like the Homewrecker.
I don't really play enough soldier to comment on his new weapons, but the battalion backup seems like a worthy complement to the buff banner.
Overall I would say it was a very good update, just need to see if the set bonuses are too powerful, though I very much doubt that they are.
Now they just need to fix some of the older items that are useless like dalokahs, and razorback.
I don't need any of the weapons you're offering, but I do have an extra vitasaw and southern hospitality and I would trade you both for 2 scrap.Lumine said:No one wants to trade anything with me?
http://steamcommunity.com/id/ghostrock
Hey thanks for the offer mate. I gotta decline though as they would likely be weapons I wouldn't use (much,) so trading (in theory) 4 weapons for them doesn't seem worth it to me. If you had a spare bushwacka and blackbox or something I would've accepted. One scrap metal for both of those is acceptable as well.
MisterAnderson
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DrKirby, adding you via "DocKirby" worked so expect a friend request from "Vertigo-1." Any chance you'll be on at some point tonight? I'd like to trade you for that Vintage Homewrecker if you have any time
Ah, so that is who that was. I was thinking "I have never seen this guy before at all, WHY DO RANDOM PEOPLE ADD ME D:"MisterAnderson said:DrKirby, adding you via "DocKirby" worked so expect a friend request from "Vertigo-1." Any chance you'll be on at some point tonight? I'd like to trade you for that Vintage Homewrecker if you have any time
Kuro Madoushi
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Oh, Twig! Not everyone on GAF knows about your offbeatinessnotsol337 said:
Milk sucks...
Go ahead. Use it when I'm coming up after you as a scout as well. You'll wish you had that pistol.
Only use for it is gettin spahs and putting out fire. However, a good scout will hunt down spies if they see them (going to the nearest ammo/health in case they're using the douche ringer), and a good scout stays out of the range of the pyro's fire or knows enough when to back off if he's caught and runs to the nearest health.
We played an all scout match on koth_nucleus last night and (as I recall) I was the only one using the set and I was racking up the kills.Kuro Madoushi said:
So long as your aim doesn't suck (and admittedly, mine does
) and you assume no random crits and no spread, a Special Delivery scout will out damage a vanilla scout 1v1. The special delivery scout will also have an extra 25 health buffer as well as, potential healing via milk.Of course, it doesn't fare as well against other classes/situations, as it should be. Still, in a scout vs. scout match up, assuming equal skill, the milkman should come out on top.
Yeef said:We played an all scout match on koth_nucleus last night and (as I recall) I was the only one using the set and I was racking up the kills.
So long as your aim doesn't suck (and admittedly, mine does
Of course, it doesn't fare as well against other classes/situations, as it should be. Still, in a scout vs. scout match up, assuming equal skill, the milkman should come out on top.
How would the Special Delivery out damage the normal?
Kuro Madoushi
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Equal skill? With that crappy set getting a health boost?
Vanilla scout (without the retarded sandman) should be able to take a shortstop scout easily with equal skill. I'm talking regular battles and not 'whole team as scout' though.
Or, maybe all the scouts I've faced so far on the random servers I jump onto just really suck.
BOONOO! I need some practice with ya!
Vanilla scout (without the retarded sandman) should be able to take a shortstop scout easily with equal skill. I'm talking regular battles and not 'whole team as scout' though.
Or, maybe all the scouts I've faced so far on the random servers I jump onto just really suck.
BOONOO! I need some practice with ya!
Kuro Madoushi
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So what? I could take a hit or two to get in and do max dmg with my scattergun. Remember, 2-3 scattergun meatshots can take down a heavy.Drkirby said:
Hell, I took out 2 heavies (though they were pretty stupid) on badlands one right after the other.
I still want to get the full Pyro set and see how much of an edge that 10% speed boost can give me. Nether the Powerjack or the Degreeser have large set backs, it comes down to how easily it would be to chain "Set them on fire, hit with hammer, repeat" with the extra speed boost I would be faster then every class except the Scout.
It takes 2 meat shots with both the scattergun and the shortstop to kill a scout. Shortstop fires faster. Therefore, all else being equal the shortstop wins.Kuro Madoushi said:Equal skill? With that crappy set getting a health boost?
Vanilla scout (without the retarded sandman) should be able to take a shortstop scout easily with equal skill. I'm talking regular battles and not 'whole team as scout' though.
Even at non-meat ranges the same holds true.
At long range the pistol out damages the shortstop, but at long range no one is going either scout has plenty of time to get away.
Most scouts do suck! Including me. So many times I run into other scouts and we just run around missing shots at each other until someone else intervenes. It's especially amusing when we both miss all of our shots and then retreat in opposite directions to regroup.
It takes 3 meat shots on a heavy at full health if you don't get any crits.Kuro Madoushi said:
Milk is awesome with the entire milk man set. I wish I had the pistol sometimes though. The new scout gun is crazy strong so Pyros aren't a huge problem if you have the new gun and a milk to take out fire.Kuro Madoushi said:Oh, Twig! Not everyone on GAF knows about your offbeatiness
Milk sucks...
Go ahead. Use it when I'm coming up after you as a scout as well. You'll wish you had that pistol.
Only use for it is gettin spahs and putting out fire. However, a good scout will hunt down spies if they see them (going to the nearest ammo/health in case they're using the douche ringer), and a good scout stays out of the range of the pyro's fire or knows enough when to back off if he's caught and runs to the nearest health.
I think ultimately you're talking about why the shortstop is good, and not why milk isn't bad. At best you're saying that putting in the milk for the full set bonus (essentially the 25 hp) is worth it. I don't know if I disagree, it seems like a worthy alternate although I haven't tried it yet. But you're not really convincing me that anyone would ever use Mad Milk under any other circumstances.Yeef said:
Also: wicked games on the server last night. Especially the Viaduct matches. I don't know who MUJU is, but he blew me up as medic far too many times.
Well, every weapon has its place. You should really constantly be changing your load out as the situation changes. But milk is great because it greatly increases the survivability of your team if they can aim at all, which means less regrouping and more pushing. What's great is that the milk icon doesn't cause any nuisance (unlike bleeding and jarate and afterburn) so a lot of people don't realize it when they get covered in the heat of battle.Brak said:
Also, I'm tired of talking about this.
Here is an amusing image of rac.
Yeef said:
If 'all else being equal' means that both scouts stand toe to toe and fire at one another then yeah, the short stop wins. But if we're assuming a one on one scout fight then things play out a little bit differently. It's a rare occurrence that you land two full shots in a row; it's a lot more often, when 2 shot kills happen, that you hit them one full and one glancing, or two glancing, but 2 shot kills don't happen too often. Often you'll get several glancing plus a few pistol shots, or one full and some pistols, or one full and a bunch of misses and then they kill you.
The short stop fires fewer pellets and has a much tighter spread which in the end makes it harder to hit someone, and that has to be factored in (this may be somewhat balanced out by the slow down, but if you're getting hit enough to where you can feel the slow down you're probably already dead. It firing faster, I don't think, is too much of an issue, because generally firing faster isn't going to help you.
All of this ends up with the normal scout having better damage potential
In the end going with the Special Delivery suit is a trade up of raw power for survivability.
Just had a nice trading run on tf2items.com
Now I've got all of the new weapons other than the revolver and the sleeper (which I traded away). Trading items worked great; trading hats is terrible. Everyone just sets up their trades saying they'll trade for any hat instead of using it the way it's supposed to be used and actually selecting which hats they'll trade for.
I have a stainless pot or a football helm to trade for either the brain slug or the brigade helm if anyone's interested.
Now I've got all of the new weapons other than the revolver and the sleeper (which I traded away). Trading items worked great; trading hats is terrible. Everyone just sets up their trades saying they'll trade for any hat instead of using it the way it's supposed to be used and actually selecting which hats they'll trade for.
I have a stainless pot or a football helm to trade for either the brain slug or the brigade helm if anyone's interested.
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