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Teaser for the live action The Little Mermaid

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jason10mm

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For example, let's take a look at black panther. Born in a hidden city near central africa, he is part of a thousands of year old nation of black people on wakanda that were isolated and unknown to the the of the world for thousands of years. There were never any colonization or slave trading going on. He eventually ascended to the throne he was born into. His entire story in the black panther film is about how his nations isolationism prevented them from doing something about the evils of racism against black people for thousands of years and the ramifications of that.

He HAS to be black. The white black panther narrative misunderstand this completely. His story requires him to be black. You cannot tell that story if he's white, and it would not make any sense for him to be white because that nation was never colonized.
Not true, AT ALL. There is NOTHING about black Panther that requires him to be black. His power is not linked to his skin melanin content. He ought to be AFRICAN, but that is a place to be born, not an ethnicity. I can think of a hundred ways for a non Sub-Saharan African person to be in Wakanda. Hell, Wakanda could have been where Cleopatra fled to with Marc Antony, faked their deaths, and the WHOLE COUNTRY is HELLENIC GREEK/EGYPTIAN. See how that works????

I'm fine with Wakanda being all black as a mythology aimed at African Americans. But then I'd also argue that Middle-earth is a mythology aimed at Northern Europeans and well, we see how that goes.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Not true, AT ALL. There is NOTHING about black Panther that requires him to be black. His power is not linked to his skin melanin content. He ought to be AFRICAN, but that is a place to be born, not an ethnicity. I can think of a hundred ways for a non Sub-Saharan African person to be in Wakanda. Hell, Wakanda could have been where Cleopatra fled to with Marc Antony, faked their deaths, and the WHOLE COUNTRY is HELLENIC GREEK/EGYPTIAN. See how that works????

I'm fine with Wakanda being all black as a mythology aimed at African Americans. But then I'd also argue that Middle-earth is a mythology aimed at Northern Europeans and well, we see how that goes.
Exactly.

Some people assume when Africa is brought up, it means only Black people, when in reality there's a mix of people especially northern Africa which skews to people more middle eastern looking (Egyptian).

Now someone will say "well, it's supposed to be a part of Africa with only Black people, so that's how it is". That's a bogus statement because with the way many movies now are purposely diverse and split up way beyond normal/realistic racial % splits, then Wakanda should be too with non-Black people in it too to balance out some of the demographic %'s.

Cant have it both way.
 

octiny

Banned
For example, let's take a look at black panther. Born in a hidden city near central africa, he is part of a thousands of year old nation of black people on wakanda that were isolated and unknown to the the of the world for thousands of years. There were never any colonization or slave trading going on. He eventually ascended to the throne he was born into. His entire story in the black panther film is about how his nations isolationism prevented them from doing something about the evils of racism against black people for thousands of years and the ramifications of that.

He HAS to be black. The white black panther narrative misunderstand this completely. His story requires him to be black. You cannot tell that story if he's white, and it would not make any sense for him to be white because that nation was never colonized.

Now let's take Jim Gordon. Jim Gordon is a seasoned cop from Gotham which is generally believed to be in New Jersey. He has earned both respect in the Gotham PD and ire due to his sympathetic by the book nature and his opposition to corruption. Hes one of the first cops to join forces with batman to try to make a difference in the city. Hes streetwise, no nonsense and very troubled because of his position and the crimes he faces in his age.

He does NOT have to be white. His race, much like his hair color, is incidental to his character. He can be tall, short, fat, skinny, white, black or whatever demographic could be found in New York which is all of them.

Are you seeing what I'm getting at? There are times when race is actually needed to be kept in he source material of a work for the story to make any sort of sense. The Little Mermaid is not one of those times. Ariel might as well be an alien. She is a fictional mythical creature with no actual established racial background, her race has nothing to do with her story, personality or character arc any more than her hair color does. This is in fact the reason the original adaptation has her with flowing red hair instead of dark seaweed like locks. They could've made her hair white, green, purple or anything else and would still get the point of the story across, that she looks to be part of to be part of the human world. The same is true for her skin color.

He doesn't have to be black, all you have to do is change a few details. You know, since changing the ethnicity (Little Mermaid) doesn't matter then changing said details on why he has to be black can be reversed into why he has to be white. Have whites be oppressed & not blacks in this case & simply change where he was born (even though Africa has races outside of African-Americans). Everything else literally stays the same, all you have to do is reverse the details of said groups. See how simple that is? Just because you CAN CHANGE stuff to make it so doesn't mean you should. 99% of the story would stay the same. It's ridiculous either way you look at it which is why I brought it up in this first place.

And regarding Jim Gordon, he was always white. Literally described in the comics from day 1 as a Scottish born white. So no, if you're going to pick & choose details just to fit your narrative, you're still wrong. Everything & anything can be reversed, you can't simply pivot on what you think are essential details & not. I've always pictured him as white, as that's what he is depicted as since day one. That's an "essential" detail as it stays in my mind as I picture the character's regardless of the medium. I digress though, since he's not THE main character which is what we were talking about.

All of this talk just reminds me of when JK Rowling said Hermione was never white after the "Cursed Child", even though it's depicted in her books several times (oof). She was just trying to score points w/ the Twitter crowd.

Point is, don't change the damn ethnicity, sexuality or gender of said characters. Introduce new characters, shows, movies, books etc w/ whatever ethnicity, sexuality or gender (or lack of) you want but don't change what's already created for the sake of "change" to score points w/ loud vocal groups. It's absolute cringe & as long as they keeping doing it the backlash is going to get worse & worse whether you understand it or like it.

If the intent was simply for that, then they would've removed the dislike option entirely instead of simply obscuring it on the site but leaving the info there. The info there is intended to be visible only for the creator, because its not only algorithmic but a bit of feedback and an indication how the video is doing. Big corporations don't need the dislike option to push agendas because their videos already can get pushed by the sponsored video system, and that system helps them a lot more than any downvote will. Theres also iirc an option to freeze likes and dislikes entirely, and shut down comments, which would be much more eggevtive and pushing a "narrative" than just leaving those there and hiding the downvotes.

The whole point of leaving the dislike button was to keep the algorithm the same, they would've had to redo the entire algorithm backend including monetization. It also nicely coincided w/ the ploy on why they removed it in the first place. "It never ment for viewers". Which hysterically, you actually believe.

All this benefits are corporations, politicians & agenda pushing narratives. It all comes down to public perception, they simply don't like having public view of downvotes, that's why it was removed. YouTube was getting a lot of pressure the couple years leading up to it from all types of groups.

The sad part is one of YT's many bullshit reasons for removing it was for mental health of said creators, reduced stress. Which is hilarious as said creators can still see the number of dislikes. Oh the horror.

Not true, AT ALL. There is NOTHING about black Panther that requires him to be black. His power is not linked to his skin melanin content. He ought to be AFRICAN, but that is a place to be born, not an ethnicity. I can think of a hundred ways for a non Sub-Saharan African person to be in Wakanda. Hell, Wakanda could have been where Cleopatra fled to with Marc Antony, faked their deaths, and the WHOLE COUNTRY is HELLENIC GREEK/EGYPTIAN. See how that works????

I'm fine with Wakanda being all black as a mythology aimed at African Americans. But then I'd also argue that Middle-earth is a mythology aimed at Northern Europeans and well, we see how that goes.

Pretty much this.
 

Toons

Member
Not true, AT ALL. There is NOTHING about black Panther that requires him to be black. His power is not linked to his skin melanin content. He ought to be AFRICAN, but that is a place to be born, not an ethnicity. I can think of a hundred ways for a non Sub-Saharan African person to be in Wakanda. Hell, Wakanda could have been where Cleopatra fled to with Marc Antony, faked their deaths, and the WHOLE COUNTRY is HELLENIC GREEK/EGYPTIAN. See how that works????

No, that doesn't make any sense because they would've been promptly killed by the wakandans if they actually did that lol.

You dont have to stretch that far my point is pretty clear and concise. Theres no logical way you're having a white dude be black panther. This doesn't just go for black people either. Wolverine should always be a white Canadian dude. That's a big part of his background. Bruce Wayne should usually always be white. Its different for different characters.
 

Toons

Member
He doesn't have to be black, all you have to do is change a few details. You know, since changing the ethnicity (Little Mermaid) doesn't matter then changing said details on why he has to be black can be reversed into why he has to be white. Have whites be oppressed & not blacks in this case & simply change where he was born (even though Africa has races outside of African-Americans). Everything else literally stays the same, all you have to do is reverse the details of said groups. See how simple that is? Just because you CAN CHANGE stuff to make it so doesn't mean you should. 99% of the story would stay the same. It's ridiculous either way you look at it which is why I brought it up in this first place.
So you have to change the entire history of Africa and humankind to make that work. You dont have to change anything to make Ariel work. You dont see the difference in that my guy?

And regarding Jim Gordon, he was always white. Literally described in the comics from day 1 as a Scottish born white. So no, if you're going to pick & choose details just to fit your narrative, you're still wrong. Everything & anything can be reversed, you can't simply pivot on what you think are essential details & not. I've always pictured him as white, as that's what he is depicted as since day one. That's an "essential" detail as it stays in my mind as I picture the character's regardless of the medium. I digress though, since he's not THE main character which is what we were talking about.
What you're considering essential isn't essential though. Its arbitrary. Thats the entire point. And sure you're allowed to visualize him as white but that doesn't mean that's the only interpretation that can hold true to who jim Gordon is, clearly. The last one we got was a great rendition of Gordon and his race had nothing to do with it.

The nick fury we have is a fantastic version of nick fury, and his race has nothing to do with it. Because race is incidental to those characters.

All of this talk just reminds me of when JK Rowling said Hermione was never white after the "Cursed Child", even though it's depicted in her books several times (oof). She was just trying to score points w/ the Twitter crowd.

Point is, don't change the damn ethnicity, sexuality or gender of said characters. Introduce new characters, shows, movies, books etc w/ whatever ethnicity, sexuality or gender (or lack of) you want but don't change what's already created for the sake of "change" to score points w/ loud vocal groups. It's absolute cringe & as long as they keeping doing it the backlash is going to get worse & worse whether you understand it or like it.
The backlash isn't worse. No one cares anymore. Unless you've been so doused in the anti woke brain rot no one cares that Gordon was black in the last batman. No one cares that fury is non white. No one cares that aquaman was samoan. No ones going to care, because if the product is good then that will be the focus.

All that's going to happen is the whiners are going to whine and be ignored. They arent going to continue casting whites only just because only white stuff was allowed to be made when a lot of this source material came out decades ago. It would make no sense to be beholden to those old racist "policies" the entertainment industry was employing.

This is a refutation of old school Hollywood racism that prevented non white people from getting work in antiquity. Its not the "true" or "original" portrayal, those portrayals were just as jnfluenced by society as you claim these current ones are. Far as I'm concerned they are righting a wrong.

The whole point of leaving the dislike button was to keep the algorithm the same, they would've had to redo the entire algorithm backend including monetization. It also nicely coincided w/ the ploy on why they removed it in the first place. "It never ment for viewers". Which hysterically, you actually believe.

All this benefits are corporations, politicians & agenda pushing narratives. It all comes down to public perception, they simply don't like having public view of downvotes, that's why it was removed. YouTube was getting a lot of pressure the couple years leading up to it from all types of groups.

The sad part is one of YT's many bullshit reasons for removing it was for mental health of said creators, reduced stress. Which is hilarious as said creators can still see the number of dislikes. Oh the horror.
Do you actually truly believe any policies cares about youtube dislikes lol? Dislikes are becoming more and more irrelevant precisely because of schemes like this to turn it into some fake contest or argument point.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
No, that doesn't make any sense because they would've been promptly killed by the wakandans if they actually did that lol.

You dont have to stretch that far my point is pretty clear and concise. Theres no logical way you're having a white dude be black panther. This doesn't just go for black people either. Wolverine should always be a white Canadian dude. That's a big part of his background. Bruce Wayne should usually always be white. Its different for different characters.
Dude, Wakanda is a FICTIONAL MADE UP PRETEND country. There is no logic behind ANY OF IT :p

All you need is a mountain of vibranium and that flower. I could make Wakanda be in Madagascar, Crete, or the Bahamas and nothing about it would change. Hell put it in the middle of Australia and let it be full of aborigines. NOTHING ABOUT IT CHANGES.
 

Toons

Member
Dude, Wakanda is a FICTIONAL MADE UP PRETEND country. There is no logic behind ANY OF IT :p
That isnt true. It is made up but it is based in a world parallel to our own same as Metropolis or Gotham is. It is a scientific fantasy nation, where in our world one group of people stumbled upon great technology. It doesn't rewrite the history of earth nor pretend colonialism didn't happen to do that lol.

All you need is a mountain of vibranium and that flower. I could make Wakanda be in Madagascar, Crete, or the Bahamas and nothing about it would change. Hell put it in the middle of Australia and let it be full of aborigines. NOTHING ABOUT IT CHANGES.

Yes, everything changes. You csnt tell a story about the fictional nation ignoring colonialism during the slave trade for the Bahamas or f**ing Australia. You csnt have a nation that worships the african panther goddess bast in crete.

You are stretching so far to try and justify why a white black panther csn happen but you are inadvertently showing why it doesn't matter what race Ariel appears as, or any of her physical features, which is why they were literslly changed the first time Disney did the story.

Finally, black panthers existence as a character wasn't incidental either, it wss statement. Every single black superhero that appeared was, and it sss part of a long running trend of stan Lee and the others rejecting what had been accepted as the norm in entertainment media. This happened over a period of years and make no mistake, the black panther was a part of that, s was Luke Cage, falcon and others.
 

It may be more holistic than that. Sounds right that corproations would pressure YT to remove dislikes, but a quick Blooberg article brings up it's also to help protect the small creators from getting bombed where they'd bolt to other social media sites.

YouTube Will Hide ‘Dislike’ Counts to Avoid Creator Pile-Ons​

By
Mark Bergen
November 10, 2021 at 12:00 PM EST

YouTube will no longer show the number of “dislikes” on videos, an attempt to make the platform more hospitable to creators.

For years, YouTube has relied on the tiny thumbs below each video as a metric for ranking content. Viewers often used the thumbs-down button to torment or harass certain creators -- worse engagement metrics can mean less promotion by the platform’s algorithm. During tests, YouTube said it found that hiding the display count cut down on this practice.

“We also heard directly from smaller creators and those just getting started that they are unfairly targeted by this behavior,” the company wrote in a blog post on Wednesday. The button itself isn’t going away -- only the public view of the count.

YouTube, part of Alphabet Inc.’s Google, needs to keep creators happy because it’s facing its first real competition for talent in years from rivals like Instagram, TikTok and Spotify. Meta Platforms Inc.’s Instagram let users hide their like counts on posts earlier this year, responding to criticism about the stress the feature places on young users.

Susan Wojcicki, YouTube’s chief executive officer, said in September that YouTube was a “really valuable resource” for teenage mental health. The company has pledged to provide more internal research on the subject to U.S. Congress.

The YouTube video with the most dislikes ever actually belongs to YouTube. In 2018, the company’s annual marketing promo, YouTube Rewind, was widely ridiculed by top creators and fans. YouTube has since stopped producing these videos.
That's all a lie. As I said earlier in the thread, even one of the creators of you tube came out and said it was there so the people have a voice, and so other people could see that voice. It's clearly not true that dislikes were removed to help protect small creators. If that was true, any channel with over 300k subscribers or whatever wouldn't be allowed to hide the votes. This was done to silence people and to shield companies and media from criticism that anyone can see at a glance.
 

Downhome

Member
I don't have a problem with new spins on things. That's nothing new, been done for years, whatever. My problem is how blatant and obvious the pandering is, the bending over backwards to make some sort of point. I find that just utterly disgusting and I'm stunned that so many of the folks on the progressive side are ok with it. To me it's a slap in the face, disrespectful and they should be called out on it. There will be a point where there is a turn, and all of this blows up in the face of not only Disney but other corporations that are currently doing the exact same thing. Hell, it has partly already started.
 

Bragr

Banned
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She said she's an Aries which is according to Tropical astrology.


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Aligned to the stars, she's a Pisces with strong Aries presence. Yesterday's Full Moon conjunct her natal Venus.
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WHAT?
 

Bragr

Banned
For example, let's take a look at black panther. Born in a hidden city near central africa, he is part of a thousands of year old nation of black people on wakanda that were isolated and unknown to the the of the world for thousands of years. There were never any colonization or slave trading going on. He eventually ascended to the throne he was born into. His entire story in the black panther film is about how his nations isolationism prevented them from doing something about the evils of racism against black people for thousands of years and the ramifications of that.

He HAS to be black. The white black panther narrative misunderstand this completely. His story requires him to be black. You cannot tell that story if he's white, and it would not make any sense for him to be white because that nation was never colonized.
They escaped racism for thousands of years? huh?

What about Marvel Thor and the Hollywood rape of the Scandinavian mythology? in Love and Thunder, half the asgardians are non-white. They changed that for no fucking reason other than diversity, why not do that to wakanda?
 

Lognor

Banned
I'm watching pinocchio now with my kids. This movie is dog shit. Disney really going all in on these cash grabs. I'm shocked they're going to put the little mermaid in theaters though.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
They escaped racism for thousands of years? huh?

What about Marvel Thor and the Hollywood rape of the Scandinavian mythology? in Love and Thunder, half the asgardians are non-white. They changed that for no fucking reason other than diversity, why not do that to wakanda?
Exactly!

Look, we get it. Some of you guys are REALLY invested in an all black Wakanda as a mythology for you. I AGREE WITH YOU. But....I also prefer Thor, Asgard, etc to remain a mythology for Scandinavian people. But if MCU Thor and Asgard are now "for the world" and are remade to reflect that, then Wakanda should be no different. Hell, my son LOVES Black Panther, and he would LOVE to see a guy that looks like him in Wakanda. So if kids can look up to Heimdall, Axl, and Valkyrie (I still have ZERO idea why she is in charge, BTW), then my kids should be able to do the same for Wakanda. And, BTW, my kids have as much white in them as Barak Obama does, so I'm very conscious of multi-racial/BIPOC issues.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
They escaped racism for thousands of years? huh?

What about Marvel Thor and the Hollywood rape of the Scandinavian mythology? in Love and Thunder, half the asgardians are non-white. They changed that for no fucking reason other than diversity, why not do that to wakanda?
Exactly!

Look, we get it. Some of you guys are REALLY invested in an all black Wakanda as a mythology for you. I AGREE WITH YOU. But....I also prefer Thor, Asgard, etc to remain a mythology for Scandinavian people. But if MCU Thor and Asgard are now "for the world" and are remade to reflect that, then Wakanda should be no different. Hell, my son LOVES Black Panther, and he would LOVE to see a guy that looks like him in Wakanda. So if kids can look up to Heimdall, Axl, and Valkyrie (I still have ZERO idea why she is in charge, BTW), then my kids should be able to do the same for Wakanda. And, BTW, my kids have as much white in them as Barak Obama does, so I'm very conscious of multi-racial/BIPOC issues.
I agree.

I dont know why it's so hard for some people just to admit that for modern day media, there's a big diversity push for stereotypically White/European content to have more minorities in it, while a movie or tv show that starts minority heavy or 100% minority actors stays that way.

For historically white skinned European characters, it's all about spreading the love and having some minorities get in on the action, but for content that's minority heavy, it's all about keeping what they got and you cant let Whities do the same and mix it up.
 
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BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
That's all a lie. As I said earlier in the thread, even one of the creators of you tube came out and said it was there so the people have a voice, and so other people could see that voice. It's clearly not true that dislikes were removed to help protect small creators. If that was true, any channel with over 300k subscribers or whatever wouldn't be allowed to hide the votes. This was done to silence people and to shield companies and media from criticism that anyone can see at a glance.

Anything Google does is for the benefit of Google at the end of the day. So removing the downvote counter has to be beneficial to Google somehow - maybe it increases engagement, the duration of views of single videos, inspires media companies to partner with them more often, etc.

And then of course there's Google preventing a vocal minority from creating a false narrative about some work using their own platform. For every show or movie that gets review bombed and goes onto to fail there's a slew of others that still end up critical and commercial successes. Why give those needlessly contentious review bombers a voice? They're like a gaggle of dorks without an indoor voice bothering everyone else in the cafeteria.
 
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Kraz

Banned
I don't think your posts have anything to do with the understanding of language, it's more about the random astronomical charts.
Then it's your tunnel vision. The actress for the movie talks about her astrology as was linked in the post.
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
They escaped racism for thousands of years? huh?

What about Marvel Thor and the Hollywood rape of the Scandinavian mythology? in Love and Thunder, half the asgardians are non-white. They changed that for no fucking reason other than diversity, why not do that to wakanda?

In the MCU, Thor, Odin and the other Asgardians are aliens. They may have gone to Scandinavia and the natives adopted the Asgardian history to worship them but still needed ships to travel in space ... Didn't a famous Captain once ask "Why does God need a ship?"

The MCU Asgardians and the actual Scandinavian myths are FAR apart in history.

And did you watch Black Panther? They hid themselves (their ACTUAL civilization, not the face they put on for the rest of the world) and didn't suffer colonization nor the Transatlantic Slave Trade. They're the most powerful nation in the world.

Also, why do people keep saying "African American" when talking about people who LIVE in Africa?
 

Bragr

Banned
In the MCU, Thor, Odin and the other Asgardians are aliens. They may have gone to Scandinavia and the natives adopted the Asgardian history to worship them but still needed ships to travel in space ... Didn't a famous Captain once ask "Why does God need a ship?"

The MCU Asgardians and the actual Scandinavian myths are FAR apart in history.

And did you watch Black Panther? They hid themselves (their ACTUAL civilization, not the face they put on for the rest of the world) and didn't suffer colonization nor the Transatlantic Slave Trade. They're the most powerful nation in the world.

Also, why do people keep saying "African American" when talking about people who LIVE in Africa?
Why do you say they are aliens? why does that matter? it's very clearly all Norse mythology.

If I took some African gods, called them by the same name, and used their history, but when someone questions why I changed their race into asians, I would just go "oh, it's all just aliens, don't worry". Do you think that would fly?

In LOTR, we have black dwarfs and elves, it makes no sense lore-wise, so why is it a problem to change Wakanda? why does the lore matter only in this case?
 

Rockondevil

Member
From the instant I saw her announced I could not see her as Ariel. Race aside, she just isn't that pretty.
Unless they were intentionally going for the fish eyes...

What I am really waiting for though, which only had a few seconds was Flounder and even more so Sebastian. If they're going realistic they shouldn't be fun looking sea creatures, crabs should be ugly and so should the Flounder.
 
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Bragr

Banned
Then it's your tunnel vision. The actress for the movie talks about her astrology as was linked in the post.
You just wrote "Yesterdays's full moon conjunct her natal venus".

Not sure I am the one with tunnel vision here. I don't mind that you are into this, cool, but your post still makes no sense.
 

Kraz

Banned
You just wrote "Yesterdays's full moon conjunct her natal venus".

Not sure I am the one with tunnel vision here. I don't mind that you are into this, cool, but your post still makes no sense.
The event did happen astronomically. Dunning Kruger?
 

Kraz

Banned
Astrology isnt real my dude.
In what sense? Sci-ence! Method of science.

She believes it does. Took a look at the stars at her date, time and location of of birth according to google in Stellarium.

While Aries Tropically(can be discerned from the ecliptic) Pisces is her stellar Sun Sign and very strong with her.

Her physical appearance looks very much like a water creature. It's even memed.

The forehead was remarked upon. Aries is strong too with the presence of three planets.

That's just basic physical traits. Her answers were revealing for those familiar with astrological details that can be researched elsewhere for those unfamiliar yet interested in learning.

She was a good example of the sidereal reset. A synchronicity the movie was pointed out at this time with this actress to coincide with need of an example.
 

The Cockatrice

I'm retarded?
In what sense? Sci-ence! Method of science.

She believes it does. Took a look at the stars at her date, time and location of of birth according to google in Stellarium.

While Aries Tropically(can be discerned from the ecliptic) Pisces is her stellar Sun Sign and very strong with her.

Her physical appearance looks very much like a water creature. It's even memed.

The forehead was remarked upon. Aries is strong too with the presence of three planets.

That's just basic physical traits. Her answers were revealing for those familiar with astrological details that can be researched elsewhere for those unfamiliar yet interested in learning.

She was a good example of the sidereal reset. A synchronicity the movie was pointed out at this time with this actress to coincide with need of an example.

Nothing you said is real. Just coincidences. Astrology is not real.
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
Why do you say they are aliens? why does that matter? it's very clearly all Norse mythology.

If I took some African gods, called them by the same name, and used their history, but when someone questions why I changed their race into asians, I would just go "oh, it's all just aliens, don't worry". Do you think that would fly?

In LOTR, we have black dwarfs and elves, it makes no sense lore-wise, so why is it a problem to change Wakanda? why does the lore matter only in this case?

Analogy doesn't work, my dude. Thor is still white presenting... So are Odin, Frigga and Loki.

It's a problem because of historically there is black erasure. Do you know how many black characters that were actually WRITTEN as black were changed to white in film? WAY more than has been currently done.

The dwarves and elves... At least the ones shown in RoP... The MAIN ones are still white presenting. The SIDE ones are black... There's even Asian presenting humans and Harfoots. But they aren't the main protagonists. Other than Arondir and the Queen Regent, most of the cast are white.

To quote Tolkien in Epic Rap Battles of History... "The genre's called fantasy! It's meant to be unrealistic..."
 

The Cockatrice

I'm retarded?
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There isn't enough information to make that conclusion except through the weight of your own bias. Thanks for coming out. Please try again.

Someone on this planet just farted at the same time as me. We are cosmically connected to one another and we are destined to star in the Twin Farters. That is the gist of your conclusions and beliefs. Maybe get out more.
 

Kraz

Banned
Someone on this planet just farted at the same time as me. We are cosmically connected to one another and we are destined to star in the Twin Farters. That is the gist of your conclusions and beliefs. Maybe get out more.
You should be a scientist when you grow up.
 

octiny

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That trending fail.

The unfortunate circumstances when "dislikes" are proportional to "likes" in terms of engagement w/ YT's algorithm. You would never know why it's trending had it not been for add-ons. One of the many reasons YT removed the dislike counter. It's simply not a good look for corporations. Perception is everything.
 
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jason10mm

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So is secret wars what all the TV shows have been building towards or will it be its own thing? And I thought the skulls were good guys in the MCU?
 

Salz01

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Why didn’t they want to do a live action film of Princess and the frog, let me guess because that wouldn’t create so much drama…

I personally would have looked forward to that more than this.
 

Doom85

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Why didn’t they want to do a live action film of Princess and the frog, let me guess because that wouldn’t create so much drama…

I personally would have looked forward to that more than this.

That movie is only 13 years old. Even as someone who does enjoy a few of these remakes (but definitely dislikes/hates some of them), I also acknowledge they are banking on nostalgia in terms of marketing. So for now, they’re only going 90’s or earlier.
 

Doom85

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I would prefer a live action Black Cauldron.

This. A well done live action Atlantis could also be cool. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the animated film, but due to the film kind of being split between the MC’s time with the explorer crew, and then his time with the people of Atlantis, I felt the film wasn’t long enough to flesh out both as much as I wanted. A longer live action version could fix that.

Also, *ahem*, I’d be down for seeing live action Kida.

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