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[JDSN]

Hahaha ha its 2015 and people are still posting that Stephen Fry pic.

 

[Carcetti]

Who'd have guessed that McFarlane, a comedian who's always produced shittier, crassier versions of better jokes, could fail again. His popularity is all due to hiding lack of talent behind a lack of taste. Louis CK he's not.

 

[Kain]

How the hell would laughing at someone calling me a man make myself feel good? That kind of shit is the reason I tried to kill myself when I was 10.

And I'm very sorry to hear that, but again, where is the limit? Who sets the limit? Why would there have to be a limit?

It's people making jokes, people that don't know the personal troubles of everyone in the world. If we had to evaluate everything we say to not offend people we wouldn't be able to speak about anything, humor would not exist. If you don't like a joke in a movie, a show or whatever, don't laugh and move on.

Unless they are actively trying to personally hurt you, but that's not what we are talking about here, I believe.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

There's nothing inherently wrong with provocative humor.

It's just that provocative humor needs to be delivered with at least a modicum of intelligence and understanding of the subject it's dealing with. Through the tone and the context of the delivery, it needs to be obvious that it's not coming from a place of pure ridicule or condemnation.

MacFarlane's humor is just so aggressively stupid and careless that he simply fails to complement his crass taste with any clear sign that he understands what he's doing.

Yep. Anything can be joked about. It takes actual talent, intelligence, and charm to do it with certain topics, though. Seth MacFarlane and his crew don't have any of that.

 

[deli2000]

It took slightly less than 5 pages for that stupid Stephen Fry pic to turn up. Better than usual.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

So who is the judge on what jokes are "well-crafted"? You may love the fuck out of a joke a comedian is delivering on stage, but the guy next to you might think it's "pure ridicule". And same going the other way. Do you trash these jokes every time someone feels the an offensive joke just wasn't put together well enough?

As Stephen Fry put it...

LOL

 

[TheApatheticOne]

It took slightly less than 5 pages for that stupid Stephen Fry pic to turn up. Better than usual.

Are you offended by it? It's relevant to the issue, is it not? I didn't know it was so "popular". I was unaware not pulling up a current 2015 quote was the equivalent of rick rolling.

 

[Littlefang]

So offensive jokes are only passable when well crafted?

Its all or nothing. If we are playing be these rules, and asked everyone "Is this offensive joke high-brow enough for you to chuckle at?", and went down rows of people and ditched the joke at the first no that was received, because heavens forbid, we don't want to "offend" ANYONE.... we would have no jokes.

No one, including you or I, has the right to NOT be offended. Lots of people enjoy Seth MacFarlane's comedy... and those people should go and enjoy his movie. If you don't like it, dont go.

If a joke doesn't work as a joke, then can it really be considered a joke? I know this isn't exactly related, but it reminds me of the people who do those prank videos like stealing a cellphone to check the time and at the end the yell "Dude it was a prank!"

I'm sure one of the main issues is that these critics have to see these movies for their jobs so that they aren't the target audience and as such, the jokes aren't funny to them. Therefore, they see it as offensive behavior hiding behind the veil of humor.

 

[Kinsei]

And I'm very sorry to hear that, but again, where is the limit? Who sets the limit? Why would there have to be a limit?

It's people making jokes, people that don't know the personal troubles of everyone in the world. If we had to evaluate everything we say to not offend people we wouldn't be able to speak about anything, humor would not exist. If you don't like a joke in a movie, a show or whatever, don't laugh and move on.

Unless they are actively trying to personally hurt you, but that's not what we are talking about here, I believe.

How is saying trans women are men not actively trying to hurt trans people? The punchline to the joke is literally "There's no such thing as chicks with dicks, only guys with tits."

 

[Slayven]

Hahaha ha its 2015 and people are still posting that Stephen Fry pic.

Non ironically too.

 

[BertramCooper]

So who is the judge on what jokes are "well-crafted"? You may love the fuck out of a joke a comedian is delivering on stage, but the guy next to you might think it's "pure ridicule". And same going the other way. Do you trash these jokes every time someone feels the an offensive joke just wasn't put together well enough?

As Stephen Fry put it...

Humor always has been and always will be subjective. And no one is being put on trial here, so please, relax a bit.

People reduce this stuff to a debate over censorship when in reality it's more of a debate over the quality of comedy.

 

[jtb]

I'd have more time for people who whine about "outrage" and "political correctness," if they weren't total hypocrites doing the very thing they were criticizing: encouraging the death of open and civil discourse.

Having a discussion about what a piece of art or news or whatever means isn't the death of free expression. In fact, it's the exact opposite.

 

[Nimby]

Thank you random guy on the internet, for making me want to see this movie even more.

 

[Dongs Macabre]

So who is the judge on what jokes are "well-crafted"? You may love the fuck out of a joke a comedian is delivering on stage, but the guy next to you might think it's "pure ridicule". And same going the other way. Do you trash these jokes every time someone feels the an offensive joke just wasn't put together well enough?

As Stephen Fry put it...

You're taking that quote completely out of context. It doesn't mean that you can say anything and then shield yourself from criticism by complaining about PC culture.

 

[Slayven]

I'd have more time for people who whine about "outrage" and "political correctness," if they weren't total hypocrites who weren't doing the very thing they were criticizing: encouraging the death of open and civil discourse.

The irony is breath taking isn't it? It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

 

[Aurongel]

So who is the judge on what jokes are "well-crafted"? You may love the fuck out of a joke a comedian is delivering on stage, but the guy next to you might think it's "pure ridicule". And same going the other way. Do you trash these jokes every time someone feels the an offensive joke just wasn't put together well enough?

As Stephen Fry put it...

An overused, out of context quote from Stephen Fry doesn't give someone free range to be a dick.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

I saw it yesterday. Yeah it's has tons of racist, sexist homophobic jokes. It's meant to be raunchy and not politically correct. I can't see why anyone would wanna go see this if you can't handle that stuff. If you think the writers crossed a line that's fine but you can't really claim that until you see it and once you've seen it imo it's more a matter of if you enjoyed it opposed to whether it crossed a line. A lot of humour crosses a line, hit or miss. But make no mistake, at least to me it wasn't all hit. But you know I liked it for what it was.

 

[Carcetti]

Are you offended by it? It's relevant to the issue, is it not? I didn't know it was so "popular".

It's a specific quote from a debate on religion and blasphemy and somehow it wounds up quoted (often without even knowing where the hell it's from) on every side in every internet debate. It's about as valid a debating argument as quoting some lolcat.

 

[Kelthink]

So who is the judge on what jokes are "well-crafted"? You may love the fuck out of a joke a comedian is delivering on stage, but the guy next to you might think it's "pure ridicule". And same going the other way. Do you trash these jokes every time someone feels the an offensive joke just wasn't put together well enough?

As Stephen Fry put it...

Stephen Fry also claimed women don't like sex.

Don't put your heroes on a pedestal.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

So who is the judge on what jokes are "well-crafted"? You may love the fuck out of a joke a comedian is delivering on stage, but the guy next to you might think it's "pure ridicule". And same going the other way. Do you trash these jokes every time someone feels the an offensive joke just wasn't put together well enough?

As Stephen Fry put it...

lmao it's always someone saying the same shit and then posting a stupid ass quote like this

 

[Dr. Feel Good]

Seth McFarlane has always seemed like the apex predator of every Morning Zoo FM-Douchebag that ever turned on a microphone in the wake of Howard Stern.

Holy shit is this spot on.

 

[wachie]

Thanks MacFarlane.

I don't know why the industry keeps this smug POS around. And they got him to host the Oscars.

 

[JDSN]

Non ironically too.

This time with an extra layer of irony since the gay dude that said it loathes this kind of humor.

 

[Minion101]

Guess I'll watch this movie.

 

[Oogedei]

Ugh, I knew that Ted 2 would be a failure. Dudes defending this movies because it's not offensive for them have to realise that they're not the only beings on this planet.

 

[Somnid]

It's probably not so much McFarlane doing anything different but rather these writers have become more aware of things that have been presented in the media recently and the social climate around it. Comedy isn't just about jokes being good or bad, it's about connecting with the audience. As the audience changes so must humor. In fact social justice humor like John Oliver is becoming quite popular. McFarlane's brand of comedy was much bigger in the early 2000s when morally subversive comedy was popular and we were pushing the boundaries of what could be said. Now we've kinda hit a peak and so that particular brand is less notable but also butts up against a new sort of delegated offense from the social justice movement. Simply put, tastes change.

 

[deli2000]

Are you offended by it? It's relevant to the issue, is it not? I didn't know it was so "popular". I was unaware not pulling up a current 2015 quote was the equivalent of rick rolling.

It's not relevant to the issue at all. Movie critics criticized a movie, (which is their job by the way), and people are acting like there is an angry mob outside Seth's house burning old Family Guy DVD's and demanding that the movie should be cancelled. In reality what happened is that a bad, lazy, bigoted comedian got called out on being bad, lazy & bigoted, and people are throwing a fit over it because the mere mention of racism or sexism sends people into a 'SJW' tantrum.

 

[Kain]

How is saying trans women are men not actively trying to hurt trans people? The punchline to the joke is literally "There's no such thing as chicks with dicks, only guys with tits."

The example you are giving is certain people getting offended who are part of a certain collective. What you don't seem to understand is that the same can be said for ALL the jokes in the world (think on the example I used before). Everyone thinks their circumstances are the most important, so based on what you are saying there cannot be humor of any kind because everything offends certain people.

Again, and again, and again: try to look at things from the perspective of other people and most importantly try to laugh at yourself and your problems, no matter how hard they are: it's healthy.

I think we are walking in circles here btw.

 

[dork]

I'll be seeing it. I love "Un-political correctness" God we need george carlin back.

And I'm someone who supports every single human right. I've gone to gay pride parades and all that. There jokes people!

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

It's not relevant to the issue at all. Movie critics criticized a movie, (which is their job by the way), and people are acting like there is an angry mob outside Seth's house burning old Family Guy DVD's and demanding that the movie should be cancelled. In reality what happened is that a bad, lazy, bigoted comedian got called out on being bad, lazy & bigoted, and people are throwing a fit over it because the mere mention of racism or sexism sends people into a 'SJW' tantrum.

.

Business as usual with these topics.

 

[Kinsei]

The example you are giving is certain people getting offended who are part of a certain collective. What you don't seem to understand is that the same can be said for ALL the jokes in the world (think on the example I used before). Everyone thinks their circumstances are the most important, so based on what you are saying there cannot be humor of any kind because everything offends certain people.

Again, and again, and again: try to look at things from the perspective of other people and most importantly try to laugh at yourself and your problems, no matter how hard they are: it's healthy.

I think we are walking in circles here btw.

Why would I want to look at things from the perspective of people that hate me? No laughing at this stuff isn't healthy, it's hateful at worst and irresponsible at best.

 

[Silver Arrows]

It's not relevant to the issue at all. Movie critics criticized a movie, (which is their job by the way), and people are acting like there is an angry mob outside Seth's house burning old Family Guy DVD's and demanding that the movie should be cancelled. In reality what happened is that a bad, lazy, bigoted comedian got called out on being bad, lazy & bigoted, and people are throwing a fit over it because the mere mention of racism or sexism sends people into a 'SJW' tantrum.

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[TheApatheticOne]

It's not relevant to the issue at all. Movie critics criticized a movie, (which is their job by the way), and people are acting like there is an angry mob outside Seth's house burning old Family Guy DVD's and demanding that the movie should be cancelled. In reality what happened is that a bad, lazy, bigoted comedian got called out on being bad, lazy & bigoted, and people are throwing a fit over it because the mere mention of racism or sexism sends people into a 'SJW' tantrum.

Well, that's certainly my bad. Im not as serious about it as I guess the internet is taking it, just trying to play devil's advocate and didn't research the history from the quote or the original intent, was ignorant of the long, storied history behind it apparently. I only know Stephen Fry as the brother of Sherlock Holmes. So Im sorry GAF.

 

[Abounder]

Sounds like something from Seth MacFarlane. I don't have a problem with offensive or politically incorrect entertainment (and I'm a minority!)...but man the quality of his last shows are crap (western movie and all of his animations). I want a live action American Dad

 

[EloquentM]

Shit, I should be a comedian. Shitty or a legend I can say whatever I want and be completely freed of all consequences.

 

[Novocaine]

I find it funny that this is a thing considering this is the second movie, and knowing McFarlane and his style of writing it's going to be identical to everything else he has done humor wise.

I dunno, people buy his DVDs and tickets to his movies so there's an audience for this kind of humor, if that's what they want then let then have it. The shock value wore off on me rather quickly though.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

The example you are giving is certain people getting offended who are part of a certain collective. What you don't seem to understand is that the same can be said for ALL the jokes in the world (think on the example I used before). Everyone thinks their circumstances are the most important, so based on what you are saying there cannot be humor of any kind because everything offends certain people.

Again, and again, and again: try to look at things from the perspective of other people and most importantly try to laugh at yourself and your problems, no matter how hard they are: it's healthy.

I think we are walking in circles here btw.

Anything can be joked about if you know how to craft the jokes in a smart, witty, and aware way. I don't know why you're going on about "ALL the jokes in the world" when you could just be recognizing that some people and some jokes are funny while others are not, and the line is usually whether the comedian knows what they're talking about. Just making fun of trans people for being trans isn't funny unless you're fucking dumb and bigoted.

 

[deli2000]

It's funny seeing the responses to this thread compared to this one.

And by funny I mean predictable but nonetheless depressing.

 

[Alucrid]

Well, that's certainly my bad. Im not as serious about it as I guess the internet is taking it, just trying to play devil's advocate and didn't research the history from the quote or the original intent, was ignorant of the long, storied history behind it apparently. I only know Stephen Fry as the brother of Sherlock Holmes. So Im sorry GAF.

Yes, devil's advocate. Sure.

 

[Reishiki]

Why would I want to look at things from the perspective of people that hate me?

It's something I do. I feel it better informs me about the issues that affect me if I try to understand the reasons they exist and the thought processes behind them.

 

[BertramCooper]

I'll be seeing it. I love "Un-political correctness" God we need george carlin back.

And I'm someone who supports every single human right. I've gone to gay pride parades and all that. There jokes people!

George Carlin's humor was intelligent.

Seth MacFarlane's humor is not.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Having seen Family Guy for quite some time, none of these jokes surprise me.

I'll see Ted 2 and judge for myself. I'm honestly more surprised more people weren't up in arms about the cringe-racism in Pitch Perfect 2, which is supposed to be like big-screen Glee.

 

[March of the Crabs]

Having seen Family Guy for quite some time, none of these jokes surprise me.

I'll see Ted 2 and judge for myself. I'm honestly more surprised more people weren't up in arms about the cringe-racism in Pitch Perfect 2, which is supposed to be like big-screen Glee.

It's because we're all supposed to like Pitch Perfect and hate Seth MacFarlane. Haven't you heard?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

It's because we're all supposed to like Pitch Perfect and hate Seth MacFarlane. Haven't you heard?

You're free to start a thread about the racism in Pitch Perfect 2 if you actually do give a shit.

 

[JDSN]

Im fully confident that the people that keep summoning George Carlin's spirit so he can end the evil SJW have never seen more than 5 minutes of his standup in the same way people that quote that Stephen Fry quote dont know that he is gay, or in the same way they bring out Blazing Saddles or Tropic Thunder into this arguments.

Just a display of superficial understanding of what make humor funny that would probably be laughed at by the creative minds that they put so much in a pedestal.

 

[March of the Crabs]

You're free to start a thread about the racism in Pitch Perfect 2 if you actually do give a shit.

I've only heard about it second hand from my friends who saw it so I can't comment confidently on it. It's surprising though, since the first movie (which I did see), although it sucked, had none of that stuff.

 

[TheApatheticOne]

Yes, devil's advocate. Sure.

I love you and I apologize Alucrid. You know my true intent so well!

 

[sensui-tomo]

Anything can be joked about if you know how to craft the jokes in a smart, witty, and aware way. I don't know why you're going on about "ALL the jokes in the world" when you could just be recognizing that some people and some jokes are funny while others are not, and the line is usually whether the comedian knows what they're talking about. Just making fun of trans people for being trans isn't funny unless you're fucking dumb and bigoted.

All i know about the line was that in the trailer, Ted makes fun of mark walhburg's porn stash for having a folder called "Chicks with dicks" then ted says "There isnt chicks with dicks, only dudes with tits" and mark walhburg freaking out about ted finding his porn and him being ashamed for having said porn. I know context changes attitudes on things, hell it justifies murder in games (but that is another topic for another time and place.)

 

[DuffDry]

"this is a movie made by smug white guys for smug white guys..." Jacob Hall, New York Daily News

Wait a minute, I thought we were talking about Seth Macfarlane, not Christopher Nolan. </bad joke>

Anyway, I saw it last night and it was decent enough. I didn't go in expecting high art and I didn't get it. I saw a crude stoner movie by the Family Guy creator. Pretty par for the course. Not to mention a lot of the truly offensive jokes were in the trailers so it's not like they're going to catch people off guard.

 

[Littlefang]

The example you are giving is certain people getting offended who are part of a certain collective. What you don't seem to understand is that the same can be said for ALL the jokes in the world (think on the example I used before). Everyone thinks their circumstances are the most important, so based on what you are saying there cannot be humor of any kind because everything offends certain people.

Again, and again, and again: try to look at things from the perspective of other people and most importantly try to laugh at yourself and your problems, no matter how hard they are: it's healthy.

I think we are walking in circles here btw.

We can criticize a shitty offensive joke for being shitty and offensive. That doesn't take away from all the offensive jokes out there that are well-crafted and funny. It doesn't need to be an all or nothing kind of thing. I think people are intelligent enough to judge jokes on a case-by-case basis. There isn't anything funny about saying that a transgendered person can't ever be the gender that they have transitioned to or identify with. We don't have to defend this stupid joke to preserve the integrity of other jokes.