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[Kabuki Waq]

revolution: the ability to download nintendo's entire catalogue of past games. also known as, backward compatability.

no no backwards compatibility would be the ability to put your snes and n64 carts into the revolution to play.


The revolution version of BC is also known as a new way to make money off nintendo fans.

 

[olimario]

No it's not. It would be a pain in the ass and stupidly integrated into games it shouldn't be. I have a test for you, go pick up a gyration mouse and pick up some games for your PC. Now try to play those games and come back and talk to me then. It's not fun.

Playing games not designed around gryo control will undoubtedly suck. I can think of a hundred good uses for gryo implemented into a normal controller, though and it's already proven successful with Nintendo titles.

 

[fse]

Was it like this Teddman?

^ fake btw.

 

[xexex]

no gyroscopic control + having those buttens = big clue to being FAKE

 

[Kon Tiki]

Unless whichever one of Miyamoto or Iwata who said that the Revolution is the controller have outright lied to us, which I highly doubt, stop worrying anyone feeling let down.

All I remember is them saying 'image how you will control legacy games on one controller'. Seems to make sense.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

no no backwards compatibility would be the abilyt to put your snes and n64 carts into the revolution to play.


The revolution version of BC is also known as a new way to make money off nintendo fans.

well said!

 

[littlewig]

You can't see the controller morph and fit into your exact hand grip through a picture. :lol

 

[Varian]

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[GaimeGuy]

no no backwards compatibility would be the abilyt to put your snes and n64 carts into the revolution to play.


The revolution version of BC is also known as a new way to make money off nintendo fans.

kind of like what a lot of companies are doing by porting their PS and PS2 games to the PSP.

 

[Kon Tiki]

no gyroscopic control + having those buttens = big clue to being FAKE

Right, so how will you control SNES and NES game? With your fucking mind? :lol

 

[Mikazuki]

Unless whichever one of Miyamoto or Iwata who said that the Revolution is the controller have outright lied to us, which I highly doubt, stop worrying anyone feeling let down.

Why not? Miyamoto talked about Mario 64 2 for YEARS, we got nothing. Miyamoto said Super Mario 128 has been in development and going to be shown for YEARS, then he admits "we're still looking for the idea behind it." :lol

 

[Prine]

Right, so how will you control SNES and NES game? With your fucking mind? :lol

 

[WHOAguitarninja]

Ohhh boy this is going to be interesting.

This CAN'T be all, can it?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Sounds like the only thing Rev's GC controller ports will be good for is bongos. :-\

Also better face button layout.

No it's not. It would be a pain in the ass and stupidly integrated into games it shouldn't be. I have a test for you, go pick up a gyration mouse and pick up some games for your PC. Now try to play those games and come back and talk to me then. It's not fun.

Alright, now go find some PC games designed with such a control method in mind.

 

[evilromero]

gyro tech would've truly enchanced the gameplay, so if this is true or turns out to be so then I'll be very disappointed. I was looking forward to playing Metroid and Mario using the tilt sensor to move Samus' head while still moving with the analog. Or having Mario lean into turns, or quickly dodge attacks with an intuitive motion.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

kind of like what a lot of companies are doing by porting their PS and PS2 games to the PSP.

yes and like what nintendo does with GB,GBA and DS. But i guess thats a different story cause now you can play all those old games on the GO!

 

[littlewig]

So wait, NIntendo was doomed because they were going to be different, and now Nintendo is doomed because they aren't?


Nintendo just can't win. :lol :lol

 

[Redbeard]

So if this is true developers are just left making regular games for it?

Maybe the Revolution isn't all that integral for gameplay after all, and is something they could just add on somehow later on?

 

[tedtropy]

Right, so how will you control SNES and NES game? With your fucking mind? :lol

Yes...and with VR TECHNOLOGY!

EDIT: God damn you, prine.

 

[sangreal]

I'll throw in some damage control, free of charge

a revolutionary interface doesn't have to be all about the controller you know. .

 

[MightyHedgehog]

I'd be highly surprised if that was all there was to the controller...but if it is...consider me owned.

 

[Shogmaster]

The fact that your friend would spend $100 on a mouse already speaks volumes about him.

What, that he is loaded? :lol He also bought the Logitec Laser mouse when it was $75.

Obcourse, he bought that for gaming, and bought the gyro mouse (which was wireless and came with a wireless keyboard) for his HT computer so he can control things on his couch.

Now what were you saying about it speaking volumes?

Implemented properly, gryo sensors could be a great addition to the normal controller layout.

The problems is, the gyro is only good enough for simple and broad movements. That's why it sucked as a mouse, but was fine for simplistic controls of GBA games. Sub $100 Gyros controllers will be too simplistic for next gen controls, no matter who does it.

Unless you like the direction Nintendo is going with Donkey Konga applied to all the Rev games obcourse.

 

[cybamerc]

Not that I believe Teddman but it's not uncommon for dev kits to ship with controllers from a previous system early on.

 

[Shaheed79]

No it's not. It would be a pain in the ass and stupidly integrated into games it shouldn't be. I have a test for you, go pick up a gyration mouse and pick up some games for your PC. Now try to play those games and come back and talk to me then. It's not fun.

Thats very twisted logic for the simple fact that those games were not designed with Gyro in mind and it is merely trying to emulate the functions of a regular mouse. Gyro has many functions not just what u see in a standard current gyroscopic mouse.

 

[Gessle]

Maybe the revolution is inside the controller (gyro? some kind of sensor? microphone?). That's why Teddman thinks he saw a normal controller.

 

[Shogmaster]

Well, that settles it.

The Revolution is gonna be Hologramal.

Is that like a holographic mammal?

 

[Red Scarlet]

gyros rock

 

[Mama Smurf]

All I remember is them saying 'image how you will control legacy games on one controller'. Seems to make sense.

I think that was Reggie, and either Iwata or Miyamoto (pretty certain the latter) HAS said in an interview around E3 time with god knows who that the Revolution is to do with the controller.

Why not? Miyamoto talked about Mario 64 2 for YEARS, we got nothing. Miyamoto said Super Mario 128 has been in development and going to be shown for YEARS, then he admits "we're still looking for the idea behind it."

Well he hasn't lied about either. Both games have existed, sometimes they've phrased things badly and/or people haven't understood that that Nintendo consider a game in development if they're experimenting with ideas for a sequel.

They've "tricked" us before to lead us to nice surprises though, like pretending the new Zelda would be a Wind Waker sequel and then revealing the new version. Can't see them lying outright about something like the Revolution controller though, as where's the positive in that?

 

[Frank the Great]

What makes everyone so confident in Tedd? Sorry I haven't been here long, I don't know anything about the guy.

He could easily be laughing his ass off at all of you right now.

 

[Redbeard]

I'll throw in some damage control, free of charge

Nighttrain all but said it was gyroscopes at one time.

 

[The_Sorrow]

This controller is probably the controller Nintendo will be offering you to play older games through there download service.

 

[cybamerc]

Nighttrain all but said it was gyroscopes at one time.

But he's full of crap.

 

[Frank the Great]

They've "tricked" us before to lead us to nice surprises though, like pretending the new Zelda would be a Wind Waker sequel and then revealing the new version.

Actually they didn't lie about Zelda. They said it would run on the Wind Waker engine, which is absolutely true. People just assumed that meant it would also be cel-shaded.

</nitpicking>

 

[Wario64]

What makes everyone so confident in Tedd? Sorry I haven't been here long, I don't know anything about the guy.

He could easily be laughing his ass off at all of you right now.

he's trustworthy with a good insider info record (jak x racing, FPS insomnia game, True Crime 2 in NYC)

teddman does not bullshit

 

[anthony]

This is a case of all of us overthinking what nintndo is going to do with their controller.

Just remember what happened with GameCube controller.

Surely you guys remember the huge rumour-mill surrounding nintendo's gamecube? Star Road? Mystery controllers? Street Fighter Sequels, Kid Icerus? etc?

It all ended with the GC Controllers BIG SECRET being a clicky thing under the squeezy "L" and "R" buttons.

Think aboot that.

 

[temp]

Obcourse..... obcourse.

What?

 

[Cragstar]

Okay

What are developers developing Rev games on at the moment?

Yes suped up GC's, so surely would need a GC controller.................no?

Still call bullshit, Iwata HAS SAID the revolution is the controller

 

[Shogmaster]

What?

It's a made up word I like to use. Obcourse.

"Ain't" is now in the dictionary ya know. :lol

 

[AniHawk]

Teddman, thanks for the info.

Hopefully they decide not to change it much. From what it sounds like, it should be pretty comfortable.

 

[open_mouth_]

WTF??? So then what's so revolutionary about revolution if the controller isn't that changed??? Don't get me wrong... I like the wavebird and Nintendo in general, but if it's not the controller that's unique, then what could it be?

 

[Mama Smurf]

Actually they didn't lie about Zelda. They said it would run on the Wind Waker engine, which is absolutely true. People just assumed that meant it would also be cel-shaded.

</nitpicking>

I didn't say they lied, I said they tricked us.

</nitpicking>

Still don't understand how you can tell if a controller has gyroscopes or not from an image.

 

[Wario64]

and Miyamoto said the controller isn't finished yet. teddman did say this is a prototype, so i think we're all going crazy over nothing

 

[tedtropy]

What, that he is loaded? :lol He also bought the Logitec Laser mouse when it was $75.

Obcourse, he bought that for gaming, and bought the gyro mouse (which was wireless and came with a wireless keyboard) for his HT computer so he can control things on his couch.

Now what were you saying about it speaking volumes?




The problems is, the gyro is only good enough for simple and broad movements. That's why it sucked as a mouse, but was fine for simplistic controls of GBA games. Sub $100 Gyros controllers will be too simplistic for next gen controls, no matter who does it.

Unless you like the direction Nintendo is going with Donkey Konga applied to all the Rev games obcourse.

I think I was referring more to the fact that he blows needless amounts of money on stupid crap. I could care less how 'loaded' he is. But hey, it's all relative. Either way, the ultimate point is that gyro sensors could be implemented in a useful manner. The fact that your friend bought a shitty mouse has little bearing on the fact.

 

[mattx5]

So, no controller Revolution, meaning....

We're left with an underpowered system with Nintendo games? Is Nintendo's idea of offering something different than it's competitors limited to a cheaper sale price?

Whatever, maybe there is something still hidden from the mix, in either case, I really don't care. Wake me up when Nintendo shows everything, no more fucking speculation.

 

[Red Blaster]

Miyamoto is a big fat liar.

 

[Shaheed79]

Let me refresh you guys somewhat wavering memory. The whole Gyro theory derives from the simple fact that in Sept. of 2001 Nintendo invested in a company called Gyration for future technologies.

Gyration Announces Investment Agreement with Nintendo
Leading electronic entertainment developer invests in wireless motion input controller manufacturer; gains access to patents, intellectual property and future product offerings

Saratoga, California, September 24, 2001 -- Gyration, Inc., a leading manufacturer of motion-sensing wireless input controllers for commercial and home entertainment markets, announced today that it has reached an agreement with premier electronic game developer Nintendo Co., Ltd. Under the terms of the agreement, Nintendo will become an active investment partner by purchasing an undisclosed amount of Gyration stock. In exchange, Nintendo will gain access to Gyration research and development in the areas of motion-sensing and wireless RF technologies.

“Gyration’s motion-sensing hardware and software products have become the #1 aftermarket presentation input devices for business communications professionals,” states Gyration CEO Tom Quinn. “Partnering with the largest and most successful game console manufacturer in the world will give us an exciting opportunity to introduce our amazing technologies to Nintendo’s broad home video game market."

Gyration intends to be the first company to produce game controllers enhanced with gyroscopic motion-sensors, which have a tenfold performance increase over accelerometer tilt sensors and add the ability to sense yaw as well as pitch. A gyro-equipped, motion-sensing controller provides a natural method of game control that draws the player into the game and makes game play more enjoyable. The motion sensor can take the place of a typical thumb pressure pad allowing one-handed game play, or can be integrated into a two-handed controller to add a dimension to game playing not possible with traditional game controllers.

http://www.gyration.com/intl/uk/pr-nintendo_uk.htm

All the rumors about Nintendos Rev controllers containing gryo begin and end there.

 

[Ponn]

Playing games not designed around gryo control will undoubtedly suck. I can think of a hundred good uses for gryo implemented into a normal controller, though and it's already proven successful with Nintendo titles.

Oh, you mean Kirby and Wario Ware. Well if I wanted just a machine to play mini games and Kirby then I guess thats it.

Sometimes I wonder if Nintendo fans really want their system of choice to be successful?

 

[littlewig]

So, no controller Revolution, meaning....

We're left with an underpowered system with Nintendo games? Is Nintendo's idea of offering something different than it's competitors limited to a cheaper sale price?

Who said the Revolution will be weak?


And yes, the controller might not be the "Revolution", but how else will you control it with a pad? Nintendo is being tricky once again.

 

[Zerodoppler]

Still call bullshit, Iwata HAS SAID the revolution is the controller

Source?

 

[Frank the Great]

Gyration probably just helped with games like Yoshi Topsy Turvy and WarioWare Twisted. It probably has nothing to do with Revolution. Oh well.