supposed it depends on your definition of Civilised.
I spent a week walking around 2 major Cities in the USA last year and it was like walking through a zombie apocalypse at times
Sorry but I must commend your attempt to divert the conversation towards the inclusion of suicides in the overall homicide statistics. This is a common fallacy, your assertion fails to grasp the fundamental distinction between self-inflicted harm and malicious acts committed against others. While it is indeed tragic that suicides contribute to the overall tally, it is intellectually disingenuous to conflate them with intentional homicides. It's just plain flawed reasoning, reductionist kinda argument that disregards the urgent need to address the underlying causes of intentional violence in the only country in the world where mass shootings happen on a regular basis, while everywhere else in the .. quote.. ''civilised world''.. has already solved this problem by.. taking away the guns.
widespread availability of guns, combined with a lack of robust gun control measures, perpetuates a cycle of violence that affects countless innocent lives. I could show a million data points that prove this, algorithms I've designed monitor this thing all the time for the MOD in the UK!