I played online against player. The player was using King and Marduk. I got mauled so hard that I start laughing at it. I really suck at this game. However, I'm going to keep playing it.
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How hard is Devil Jin to learn? Keep wanting to switch to him, but Fengs simplicity stops me
Let's look at Regular Jin for an example: He can 15 frame punish, whiff punish, or sidestep punish you with his d+3+4 launcher or hopkick. With Devil Jin, you have to EWGF the other guy. Of coarse you can do simple punishes like 1,1,2 or b+1,1+2 or whatever but you're obviously missing out on a launcher. Now think of how on point you have to be to land that motion in a split second of noticing the other guy whiffed. And most of the time you have to dash into him first as fast as you can and then immediately land the EWGF. It's definitely not easy. Same thing with sidestepping into the EWGF. Now that's for whiff punishing on defense.
Let's look at applying offense with a character like Feng. You have your mid pokes, your low pokes, your backswing blows for frame traps, etc. It's relatively easy to do. Offense with Devil Jin is wavedashing into your opponent into hell sweeps, Electrics, or cancelling them into iWS moves. Significantly more difficult. And like before you can play DJin similar to Feng but the neutral pokes DJin has are no where near as proficient as Feng's because of the difference in overall toolsets. Hope that answers your question.
HOWEVER, don't let that stop you from playing him. Of coarse you can practice hard and get to that level
I wonder if that's a little too objective. Ancient Ogre and the Jacks might be easy from that standpoint, but they can be really frustrating to use because of their play style. I have tried to take AO seriously since the game's release and still feel like I can't do anything with him, but recently took Miguel online after a little bit of practice and shot up the ranks without knowing his stance or half of his moves
It's kind of like saying Hakan is great for beginners in SSF4 because he's generally low-execution and has some great normals with big hitboxes, which is true... but take him online and you'll be asking yourself "what was I supposed to do about that?" and blaming "the match-up" left and right lol
I guess what I'm really getting at is that it depends on the goal. There are "low execution" characters but there are also "instant gratification" characters, as well as a ton of characters that just do a good job without the player needing to know every little detail. Consider how many Mishima players you see online (a LOT), even though the characters are borderline impossible to master. It isn't until you get near the top that the Mishima players are all from Asia (lol). You guys know I suck, but I still mained Bryan from T3 to early T6 and felt like I was doing fine the whole time, just running on his basics and the games' fundamentals. It wasn't until recently that I even knew he was supposed to have a steep learning curve. Some characters are crazy-hard to learn completely, but that really only comes into effect for tourney players like you and Gaf's hidden boss Sayah
Yeah, I presume that is catered heavily towards your play style. However, playing Tekken and winning isn't necessarily the same thing IMO. I gave those recommendations to people who want to take in everything and utilize everything the game has to offer. I mean, you could learn King's multithrows and manage to get all the way Berserker rank just with those and spacing but I wouldn't classify that as legitimately playing the game with everything it has to offer. I hope that makes sense...
And BTW One day I shall become the secret boss of GAF!!! /keeps getting demoted
Also, great find GrayFox!