CrimzonSamurai
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The majority of Islamic Extremist violence has always been directed at Muslims. Something that even Osama bin Laden expressed concern and frustration with.
Sadly, the well of religious fundamentalism has no bottom.
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Terrorist attack at Charlie Hebdo magazine. 12 dead. 11 wounded.
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The majority of Islamic Extremist violence has always been directed at Muslims. Something that even Osama bin Laden expressed concern and frustration with.
Sadly, the well of religious fundamentalism has no bottom.
RustyNails
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Of course. I'd like to find out more of his upbringing and what he was exposed to growing up.
He still deserves the noose, mind you. I am commenting on why he may have surrendered.
CadetMahoney
Member
All this "kid" talk, heck the US criminal justice system has no problem trying kids as adults for lesser crimes.
Interceptor
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Tell your friend COD and real life are two different things.
PirateKing
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It'd be a better idea to remove the link
Responses from US Muslim leaders. One of the most prominent US Sheikhs and Islamic leader (Hamza Yusuf)
Equally prominent scholar Yasir Qadhi
Great but I've read on wikipedia about armed conflicts. Can you explain?
I saw this on 4chan earlier. Politely speaking, your friend needs help if he believes that
Sun Bather
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I don't think anyone is making the argument for him getting off easy. Rather just people saying, at least that's what I'm saying, that it isn't that surprising he would turn himself over when shit really started hitting the fan.
And?
Yeah I know muslim/people who live in muslim countries are the biggest victims of extremism, by far.
The death of the poor policeman won't have any effect on them but it may harm integralism in europe, us and other democratic countries with fundamentalists
Uh, even with your edited warning of graphic content, this wasn't an appropriate link to post here. What are you thinking?
ComputerMKII
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Let's Keep Fighting!
"Allah is big enough to defend his prophet alone... understood?"
As an American, I would like to take a second and tell everyone in this thread who is French or Parisian just how admirable your response to this heinous act is. It is incredible to see a nation generate such positivity and solidarity not just within France, but throughout EU member states, from such a negative event.
And, as an American, I implore you not to make the same mistakes that we have (post-9/11). Never give up on the ideal of a free society, one that is free from both terrorist agents and authoritarian governments.
Much respect to you guys.
And, as an American, I implore you not to make the same mistakes that we have (post-9/11). Never give up on the ideal of a free society, one that is free from both terrorist agents and authoritarian governments.
Much respect to you guys.
How isolated are they actually I wonder?
I live in a Muslim country and it feels like their reaction towards this type of events (including 9/11) is usually "these Westerners deserve it" amongst themselves.
(no statistical proof, just the vibe)
malingenie
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Responses from US Muslim leaders. One of the most prominent US Sheikhs and Islamic leader (Hamza Yusuf)
Equally prominent scholar Yasir Qadhi
Thanks for posting.
TimeEffect
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Responses from US Muslim leaders. One of the most prominent US Sheikhs and Islamic leader (Hamza Yusuf)
Equally prominent scholar Yasir Qadhi
I dont mean to be so stubborn, but I think the second guy should not even be supporting the idea of death for blasphemy through a "trial".
The whole concept is a farce, but he seems to be upholding the idea of a careful, lawful trial, as if blasphemy should or could ever be grounds for death. I imagine that there are some people who support a blasphemy punishment by law, while denouncing the violence of today's events.
I hope the very concept of blasphemy laws is denounced altogether.
As a christian in my youth, the violence described in a lot of parts of the old testament bothered me to the point that I just wasn't buying the explanations and interpretations that I was getting from my teachers. I felt a strong disconect between what was written and what was being taught.
Let's say the catholic church and other religions leave some violent passages out of their holy books, that will not stop some people to just going to the original books anyway.
outunderthestars
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I do find it chilling that the "moderate" voice calling for calm still thinks that people should die for insulting his choice in religions, just after a "trial".
Portugeezer
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ElectricBlanketFire
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This type of attack is my biggest fear. I'm worried the "next 9/11" in the states won't be a bomb or plane hijack, but a string of gunfire.
Said it before, but I can't believe this hasn't happened yet.
And WOW at the things I've overheard in conversations at work. I can't even imagine the daily profiling Muslims go through.
Said it before, but I can't believe this hasn't happened yet.
And WOW at the things I've overheard in conversations at work. I can't even imagine the daily profiling Muslims go through.
Responses from US Muslim leaders. One of the most prominent US Sheikhs and Islamic leader (Hamza Yusuf)
Equally prominent scholar Yasir Qadhi
The fact that he can still mention that blasphemy could be punishable by death after a trial is just obscene.
What a joke.
NYCmetsfan
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I think his intent is kind of saying, even with your ridiculous ideas, you're wrong. I don't think he actually believes that. Hence the "even those". to believe he believes in punishment for blasphome is to ignore the first half of his post and his clear sentiment expressed in its closing.
He's playing devil's advocate and still can't find a reason for their actions.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
He does say "Those who believe that" though. It also hit me hard until I re-read that carefully.
The police officer is dead, what else do you need as proof?
Maninthemirror
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PirateKing
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I'm assuming you also read those awful threads too?
Yeah that's what I thought as well. I've always wondered why the phrase "Only God Can Judge Me" was said often among Muslims countries yet death penalty was wildly accepted and acted by humans.
ComputerMKII
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The irony is that the attack risks ending up with political measures that Charlie Hebdo would NEVER have approved
It serves no purpose posting them here, we all know the level of YouTube comments.
Winterfang
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I'll take a even a tank attack over another 9/11. 12 deaths is a tragedy, 2,700+ is... I don't even know what to say. I just don't want another one, over any circumstances.
LyleLanley
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He doesn't think that though.
Maninthemirror
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Gaf is pretty progressive and tolerant and I've heard odd things so in normal work settings it's even more apparent
The point he is making is that even if you think the punishment should be death, this ain't the way. He is heading off defences of the murders by people who will claim the sentence for the cartoonists actions is death.
'Even for those who believe' sort of suggests he doesn't think that, and suggesting blasphemy could be punished by death is just the way the world is in some places.
SniperHunter
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it happened in Mumbai in 2008. 10 gunmen, 4 major targets (two hotels, one cafe, one jewish house) and it left 170 people dead and 700 people injured. to create mass confusion, they also left time bombs in the taxis they took to reach their targets
India has actually suffered from a bunch of similar attacks in the last 15 years or so
He's a disgusting murderer but he's still a kid. He knew that surrender was probably the only way to survive.
King Tubby
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Yeah, which is why those people holding "Behead those who insult Islam" signs are crossing the line.
Every single time any newsworthy tragedy occurs, someone claims that it was orchestrated by a shadowy conspiracy behind the scenes. Without fail.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
At 18 years, I sure goddamn knew that murder was wrong. That is not a kid. Not even remotely.
I agree with this interpretation
I have no doubt you and your countrymen will preserve your liberty while condemning the attacks and taking any appropriate action. Be wary of those in your government that will rush to judgement and demand rash, immediate action. I have faith in the French citizenry. You will do the right thing.
NYCmetsfan
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Its not even sort of. Its a complete detachment from those that hold that view. You never use the word, even, to talk about those you agree with its use as an adverb is: "used to emphasize something surprising or extreme.".
Its like when those on gaf use the 'even ronald reagan' or 'even george w bush' and explain why right wingers are more crazy than them. They're not expressing support of reagan or those people.
outunderthestars
Banned
True. Still seems absurd to me...
With respect to condemnation from Muslim communities, I once read this book during my undergraduate:
Fatwa on Terrorism and Suicide Bombings: Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri
The author is an extremely well regarded Islamic scholar from Pakistan. He goes through the entire Koran and prophetic traditions illuminating precisely why terrorism and events like what happened in Paris are absolutely anti-Muslim. He even goes as far as to declare that those who perpetrate them are crazy heretics that have plagued the religion for centuries.
It's a good resource if you're ever looking to counter an argument from someone discriminating against Muslims or claiming that they haven't done enough to condemn these attacks. The State Department was a big fan when it was released in 2010.
Fatwa on Terrorism and Suicide Bombings: Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri
The author is an extremely well regarded Islamic scholar from Pakistan. He goes through the entire Koran and prophetic traditions illuminating precisely why terrorism and events like what happened in Paris are absolutely anti-Muslim. He even goes as far as to declare that those who perpetrate them are crazy heretics that have plagued the religion for centuries.
It's a good resource if you're ever looking to counter an argument from someone discriminating against Muslims or claiming that they haven't done enough to condemn these attacks. The State Department was a big fan when it was released in 2010.
RustyNails
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Armed conflicts did happen. But this was after Prophet Muhammad migrated to Medina and was asked to set up a sovereign state. The first armed conflict arose at Badr, which turned into a full-scale war.
Hale-XF11
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Equally prominent scholar Yasir Qadhi
So basically, he (along with his fellow scholars, according to him) would rather have the state prosecute and kill those who commit blasphemy, such as cartoonists. Is there any other way of reading that?
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