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Terrorist attack at Charlie Hebdo magazine. 12 dead. 11 wounded.
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The "we don't shoot civilians" quote is disturbing.
We had an Iman giving an Interview in Germany where he also said something akin to:
"Islam is the religion of peace. Civilians are not allowed to take up arms or harm civilians"
There is no clarification however how one can become a soldier or be regarded as an enemy soldier.
Obviously the two suspects thought they were soldiers in a holy war and have their own twisted smallminded interpretation of who an enemy is.
It all seems to be a slippery slope of how scholars read and interprete the source text.
We had an Iman giving an Interview in Germany where he also said something akin to:
"Islam is the religion of peace. Civilians are not allowed to take up arms or harm civilians"
There is no clarification however how one can become a soldier or be regarded as an enemy soldier.
Obviously the two suspects thought they were soldiers in a holy war and have their own twisted smallminded interpretation of who an enemy is.
It all seems to be a slippery slope of how scholars read and interprete the source text.
so you are saying all the Muslims are terrorist?
ConanTheKing
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Here's an argument between a reporter and someone that "understands" the attacks on BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02gkbls
By the way, please note towards the end that the reporter states this view is not shared by all followers of the faith and some condemn the attack because some people always seem to think everyone who follows this religion is a terrorist or supports terrorism.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02gkbls
By the way, please note towards the end that the reporter states this view is not shared by all followers of the faith and some condemn the attack because some people always seem to think everyone who follows this religion is a terrorist or supports terrorism.
Al queda is incredibly media conscience. They use these broadcasts to their advantage. We've seen it before.
What?
Jesus, no. Just restrict live footage and especially stuff like positions of special forces. Giving away sniper positions is incredible dumb.
BlazingDarkness
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BBC just sourced someone claiming the terrorist in the kosher shop is going to keep his hostages until the siege on the two terrorists in the printing place is lifted.
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Over the past few days the BBC have compared this to the attacks in Mumbai, not really sure why considering those guys went around killing indiscriminately, everyone was a target. These guys haven't targeted any civilians (yet), well, at least those that had nothing to do with the cartoons. It's a bad comparison.
I just heard an interview with a guy that turned up at the factory for an interview where he met what he thought were police officers, but were in fact the terrorist brothers, they told him to go away and that they didn't kill civilians, at which point the guy realised who they were. He said they shook his hand and sent him away. Hopefully they won't kill their hostage if this is the case.
I just heard an interview with a guy that turned up at the factory for an interview where he met what he thought were police officers, but were in fact the terrorist brothers, they told him to go away and that they didn't kill civilians, at which point the guy realised who they were. He said they shook his hand and sent him away. Hopefully they won't kill their hostage if this is the case.
And they bay be two, there, two...
There has been years that we haven't seen so many violent deaths in this kind of events, too. Seems completely surreal.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Gaz Pwnage
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This thread sure is bringing out the idiots
Opus Angelorum
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BBC just reported that the hostage taker at the supermarket told police the hostages wouldn't be let go until the siege on the two brothers is lifted.
CreeperBlocks
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Wait there's another Hostage situation?
Not sure the suspects - who most certainly are tired and full of adrenline - have the time to watch TV channels while holding a map of the complex they are in and then are able to interprete footage from the outside and make mind maps like Jack Bauer of where every law enforcement piece is on the table.
I would believe they aren't capable of that.
Islam appears to breed terrorists with more success than other religions.
Cut the live feeds. Give periodical updates. I'm not talking about broadcasting puppy dogs and rainbows as a substitute. But, extremists use news like these to draw people to their cause.
UnluckyKate
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There are two. The two gunmen are outside paris.
And now another guy, most likely related to them, the same that seem to have shot the policewoman yesterday, took hostages in a jewish market shop an hour ago.
There a two different hostage situations taking place at two different places. The second is supposedly the third guy and apparently the one who shot and killed a policewoman yesterday
Yes.
One or two persons, probably one responsible for the kill yesterday morning in the south of Paris. Linked to the brothers surrounded in Narth-east of Paris.
Several hostages, possibly children, probably at least one wounded.
And this time, it's *inside* Paris, so it's probably even worse.
Wow yeah.
maniac-kun
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Good luck with that.
ComputerMKII
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You and I know about that one failure, but how many terrorist plans have the authorities foiled that we'll never know about?
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Sutton Dagger
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On the BBC they just made the claim that the hostage situation in the Jewish store is definitely connected to the brothers in the paper shop, and that the guy in the Jewish store is making statements alluding to consequences resulting from the other hostage situation.
Choudary has been arrested several times. But each time some how gets off. He is like a poison in the UK and has been connected to several groups that incite terror and attacks that have now been shut down. I agree Hannity uses him to paint a very disgusting image of muslims which isn't right. But for me Choudary (specially as I live in England) is by far the worst out of the two.
It's been confirmed by the French Ministry of Interior that the suspects are connected, they are part of the same group/cell.
ComputerMKII
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This is fascist and then the terrorists will have won if it happens.
ResidentDante
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Totally agree, I'll take a look at that video you linked. Seems good.
Journalists are civilians!
hobblygobbly
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I don't think so. Maybe many more seats but most people think she's fucking crazy (which she is). She even wanted to death penalty back which a huge amount of French disagree with (vast, vast majority) and would never support her based on that. She recently said all Muslims in France are basically like the Nazis when France was occupied which doesn't help her agenda much at all (because she's including 3-5 generations of French national muslims) and hate her for how she has the audacity to use such a historical issue.
I think she definitely is gaining support but never the amount that would solidify her position because she says a lot of other dumb shit that divides people outside of her stuff about Islam. Definitely more seats for the Front National though I think unfortunately.
thenight11
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Marc Burleigh ‏@marcburleigh 59s60 seconds ago
At least 2 dead in hostage-taking in eastern Paris, police sources say. #AFP
Agence France-Presse @ afpfr 1m1 minute ago
Shooting and hostage-taking Porte de Vincennes: at least two deaths (close file) # AFP
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fuck :/
At least 2 dead in hostage-taking in eastern Paris, police sources say. #AFP
Agence France-Presse @ afpfr 1m1 minute ago
Shooting and hostage-taking Porte de Vincennes: at least two deaths (close file) # AFP
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fuck :/
Sutton Dagger
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Yep. I'm more worried about him making demands that the brothers need to be let go or that there will be consequences. By all accounts he has 5 hostages, he's trying to bargain with them....
Kenshin001
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The hostages are Jews. You think a jihadi is going to care about the lives of Jews?
ComputerMKII
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lol, never gonna happen. Cry me a river, you little bitch.
Palette Swap
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Didn't see the footage but there are kids in there.
FUCK. Hope it turns out to not be true.
I can see your perspective, especially as you live in England. Since I live in the US I feel like Hannity wins the scumbag olympics. Of course, he's never been arrested for being a extremist dog-whistling dickhead so... it is abhorrent that he knowingly used Choudary as an effigy to burn and increase islamophobia among his viewers though, we can both agree with that.
It's all slightly tangential to the happenings however.
Fuck. FUCK.
FUCK! I'm so pissed
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