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Terrorist attack at Charlie Hebdo magazine. 12 dead. 11 wounded.

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Joni

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Tugatrix said:
Military maybe, other european polices nope there are not those kinds of deals only on military level
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The French police has cross-border deals with their neighbours. It is more likely they'll call on their own army for short term reinforcements but it shouldn't be hard to transport specialists from Belgium and the south of Germany for assistance.
 
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Tugatrix

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Xando said:
Atleast here in germany we have 2 police departments for hostage rescue/counter terrorism (GSG9 and SEK) and multiple millitary units (KSK). I guess they are already on standby and only waiting for french request.
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Here in Portugal there are two UEP-GOE(civilian police special forces) and COE(gendermarie or Republican Guard as you like), both have experience with these situations and the GOE was trained with the help of british SAS. Last time GOE had an hostage operation, two bank robbers received head shots for dinner
 
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Koren said:
That's interesting questions, but as far as I know, it's not the case here, actually.


About your questions, the main issue is that by international law, you can't create a situation where a man doesn't have a nationality anyone. You can put them in jail when they return (and french law allow this... and it's done sometimes, depending on the cases), but they're too many to debrief properly all people coming back or to put them all in jail.

And preventing them to leave is nearly impossible (most take a flight to a perfectly fine country and reach Syria or other war zones from there).

It's really a complex issue, and I fear there's not an easy solution for this.
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It just strikes me as a colossal failure of intelligence. To let known terrorists with criminal records come and go as they please, fight wars in Syria, and then come back home where they get their hands on grenade launchers.

It would be one thing if they were not known to intelligence, but these guys clearly were.

It should also be noted that these brothers were fighting Al-Assad in Syria. In other words, they could well have been fighting with weapons supplied by the West or its Middle Eastern allies, even possibly France, when they were over there. As they were effectively on the West's side there and the rebels there were being armed.
 
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marc^o^ said:
Feels weird, this is where I live. I just called my wife to be sure she stays home. Cops are at my girls school.
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Suspect is reportedly in the store in the top right. Stay safe you all.
 
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Renzoku said:
The problem is Islam. It's the same thread that connects all these shitbags.
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I would say that the problem isn't Islam in itself, but radical imams and the shitbags that are sponsoring all this with money. Which make things even more complicated, as the shitbags (like some famous Arab country) are sometimes allies with the Western world.
 
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marc^o^ said:
Feels weird, this is where I live. I just called my wife to be sure she stays home. Cops are at my girls school.
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Stay safe, dude.

I actually checked on a friend who lives there too and has taken the day off. Happily enough, she was running an errand inside Paris.
 
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At times like this I'm glad the UK is an island and not connected to mainland Europe. The scum that killed Lee Rigby could only get hold of two shitty old pistols, one of which didn't work when they tried to fire on the police.
 
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Addi

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It feels absurd being affected by this and following this closely, and then go to my Facebook where people only post selfies and cat videos....
 
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Tugatrix

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Heavily-armed police units have been seen moving towards to the scene of the shooting in Paris.

The guy better surrender
 
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Joni

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captainnapalm said:
It just strikes me as a colossal failure of intelligence. To let known terrorists with criminal records come and go as they please, fight wars in Syria, and then come back home where they get their hands on grenade launchers.

It would be one thing if they were not known to intelligence, but these guys clearly were.

It should also be noted that these brothers were fighting Al-Assad in Syria. In other words, they could well have been fighting with weapons supplied by the West or its Middle Eastern allies, even possibly France, when they were over there. As they were effectively on the West's side there and the rebels there were being armed.
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They're all known to intelligence. Intelligence all over Europe is tracking tens of thousands radicalised muslims youth that have left for Syria, that have returned or that could go. Belgium - a country with 10 million inhabitants - has more Syria fighters than the US. It is easy to follow 300 Syria fighters if you have the resources of a country with 300 million inhabitants. They need to follow and assess a massive number of people to see who could go wrong and when without interfering in such a way that it goes wrong.
 
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This is just becoming more and more surreal...hope we can see a resolution without either hostage(s) being harmed by the end of the day.
 
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BFM TV is reporting that the man suspected of killing policewoman Clarissa Jean-Philippe in Montrouge yesterday is holding five hostages, including women and children, at a kosher supermarket near the Porte de Vincennes in the 20th arrondissement in Paris, Jon Henley reports from Paris.

The suspect reportedly told police officers at the scene: “You know who I am.”

The channel said at least one person has been injured.
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Xando

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captainnapalm said:
It just strikes me as a colossal failure of intelligence. To let known terrorists with criminal records come and go as they please, fight wars in Syria, and then come back home where they get their hands on grenade launchers.

It would be one thing if they were not known to intelligence, but these guys clearly were.

It should also be noted that these brothers were fighting Al-Assad in Syria. In other words, they could well have been fighting with weapons supplied by the West or its Middle Eastern allies, even possibly France, when they were over there. As they were effectively on the West's side there and the rebels there were being armed.
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The problem is that authorities don't have the manpower. France has about 5000 people that went to syria and for everyone you need 3-10 police officers, we just don't have the manpower.
 
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Marc Burleigh ‏@marcburleigh 37s38 seconds ago
At least 5 hostages in Jewish supermarket in eastern Paris where gunfire heard, one wounded casualty reported
 
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Can we split these conversations into another thread?

Re: The 2nd shooter/hostage situation. I just got confused by looking at the above pictures. The above pictures do not reference the shooters from the Charlie Hebdo massacre.
 
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methane47 said:
Urgh... Hannity killed it... and it makes me sick.
This video is tearing my heart out.

Cant believe this muslim guy was alluding to be ok with Killing people.

Lord jesus the video ends with a bang "I still think you are an Evil S.O.B."
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Fox done well and played that cunt Anjem, hes the most hated muslim in UK by muslims. Complete and utter twat
 
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Joni

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Sayter said:
I wouldn't be surprised if incidents (possible copy cats) start happening. I hope not. :(
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We don't need to worry about copycats when we can worry about more people from the same organisations. IS leaders have promised this is only the beginning.
 
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marc^o^

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Tugatrix said:
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Heavily-armed police units have been seen moving towards to the scene of the shooting in Paris.

The guy better surrender
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I was exactly there this morning on my way to work. My girls, 8 and 6, asked me if I was well protected in my work building. Now they see cops at school. I assume terrorists will have at least won something, kids won't sleep as well as they used to.
 
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