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[Nevasleep]

We need armed police patrolling the streets/roaming around at all times in vans. We at least need to rethink how something like this happens and how we deploy police.

They already are patrolling around constantly in 4x4.
Not sure how effective the police in vans approach would be, e.g. Paris Champs-Élysées

 

[smokeymicpot]

Just got the alert on my phone more then one person has died.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Is a few falsely imprisoned people a worthy price to pay for potentially saving dozens of lives? That's what this basically boils down to.

Why not just intern entire communities?

 

[Herr Schwarz]

If it turns out the perpetrators were known to security services, the general public are going to go fucking nuts.

I'd imagine if you went to one dodgy website, you're going to be known.

 

[TTOOLL]

That happened earlier when they arrested someone live on sky news
https://twitter.com/skynews/status/871137723574173697

Damn! These police officers carry only batons?? Really?

 

[Charles Brandon]

there was footage of an arrest and police action in Monument on Sky too (Monument is north of the river but not far away from the north end of London Bridge.

 

[LAM09]

jesus



https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/871136402699763712

Absolutely terrible

 

[D4Danger]

Is a few falsely imprisoned people a worthy price to pay for potentially saving dozens of lives? That's what this basically boils down to.

okay so we'll just lock you up for doing nothing. you know, just in case.

 

[spuckthew]

Vauxhall is a good way past that - at least another 15 mins.

Nah dude, Vauxhall is a good 25 minute walk from Waterloo. Heck, it takes me 10 minutes to drive between the two when there's no traffic about.

 

[Morat]

Is a few falsely imprisoned people a worthy price to pay for potentially saving dozens of lives? That's what this basically boils down to.

No it doesn't. There is a reason that societies have justice systems. Arbitrary power is evil, and far more dangerous than deranged murdereres.

 

[dc89]

Vauxhall station has re opened it seems

https://twitter.com/TfLTravelAlerts/status/871140878664048640

As has Bank.

 

[Boy Wander]

And how long do we put them in prison for? Months? Years? When do we release them? What's a guy who's been imprisoned for years because he may theoretically be a terrorist gonna do when he gets out?

I'm not saying that is what should happen. I'm boiling down the "arrest them before they can do anything" argument to what it really means.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Sky just showed that video of the police shouting in the restaurant. They hadn't cut out the part where a guy calls the police cunts, but then his friend told him to shut up and not be a fucking idiot.

This is why they have to be so loud and menacing, they are dealing with drunk knobs.

Cunt is a pretty standard word over here, it's pretty casual.

 

[Meadows]

So sad for the victims RIP.

Hope those that were injured make a speedy recovery.

 

[Syder]

What can you really do to prevent attacks of this nature?

 

[Media]

Sky just showed that video of the police shouting in the restaurant. They hadn't cut out the part where a guy calls the police cunts, but then his friend told him to shut up and not be a fucking idiot.

This is why they have to be so loud and menacing, they are dealing with drunk knobs.

When I saw that video and heard the exchange, it almost made me smile because it was so British.

Edit: didn't hear the Muslim part, so nevermind.

RIP, and stay safe London.

 

[Charles Brandon]

Damn! These police officers carry only batons?? Really?

Only certain police units are authorised and trained to use firearms. Most coppers would never be issued with a gun, no matter what. They wouldn't be trained to use it,

 

[Broken Joystick]

Sky just showed that video of the police shouting in the restaurant. They hadn't cut out the part where a guy calls the police cunts, but then his friend told him to shut up and not be a fucking idiot.

This is why they have to be so loud and menacing, they are dealing with drunk knobs.

I thought he shouted Muslim cunts.

 

[mrklaw]

there was footage of an arrest and police action in Monument on Sky too (Monument is north of the river but not far away from the north end of London Bridge.

Shit my office is right by there. Odd to be on the north end - the reports sounded like the van was heading south and then people headed from the van into borough market so the opposite direction

 

[Oriel]

It isn't, we arrest and convict for terrorism that has foiled any attacks actually occurring ~ https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...uk-jails-hits-record-high-home-office-figures

Or from here ~ http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7613

There are lots of stats in that PDF going up to 2016. The long of the short is we arrest and convict many who do not get to carry out an attack. Our biggest issue is losing track of those that are capable of doing so and not managing to stop them prior.

It's not quite the time to play armchair intelligence officer, but it isn't quite fair of our services both police and intelligence to say they never manage to be proactive and prevent.

Yeah? And how well is that strategy going?

 

[| Praxis |]

Cunt is a pretty standard word over here, it's pretty casual.

I know, I'm from the UK.

I thought he shouted Muslim cunts.

Really? You're probably right, but I didn't hear it. My ears responded to the word "cunt" on the news.

 

[Jezbollah]

What can you really do to prevent attacks of this nature?

It really depends of what nature this attack consisted of.

map of the three locations for anyone here:

 

[shadowkat]

This is just terrible.

 

[Camper Van Beethoven]

I'm not saying that is what should happen. I'm boiling down the "arrest them before they can do anything" argument to what it really means.

It's an impossible situation. Sadly I can only see it leading to a reduction in freedoms and privacy.

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

Damn! These police officers carry only batons?? Really?

Most British police officers are routinely unarmed, its always been this way since the Met was set up in the early 19th century.

 

[Nevasleep]

Cunt is a pretty standard word over here, it's pretty casual.

Nah, you still don't call a Police officer a cunt tbh.

 

[Theecliff]

fuck :/ me and my gf are in london for this weekend and we were on the tube that was heading towards london bridge (our stop was the one before) when an announcement rang out telling everyone that the station would be closed because of an 'incident' above ground. when we left our station and got back to the hotel we hadn't realised what had happened until now.

we were crossing that bridge earlier today, and we were only one stop away from the incident as it was happening - i feel a bit spooked if i'm being honest. rip to those killed and i hope anyone injured fully recovers. this is fucking awful

 

[Symphonia]

Cunt is a pretty standard word over here, it's pretty casual.

I'm pretty sure calling a cop a cunt is far from casual. Much like how you wouldn't call a cop a pig, bacon, etc.

 

[Charles Brandon]

Cunt is a pretty standard word over here, it's pretty casual.

he wasn't calling the police cunts. he said "fucking Muslim cunts". Someone else told him to shut up.

 

[hwy_61]

What can you really do to prevent attacks of this nature?

not a damn thing.

 

[Camper Van Beethoven]

Yeah? And how well is that strategy going?

It's easy to judge the police as failing when all you see is the attacks that happen, not the ones prevented.

 

[Orbis]

I'm pretty sure calling a cop a cunt is far from casual. Much like how you wouldn't call a cop a pig, bacon, etc.

I thought​ he said "fucking Muslim cunts", maybe I misheard though.

 

[holygeesus]

As a Londoner the thought of the damage that could be done by multiple perps driving around crowds in a van and moving on fills me with dread. What a world we live in.

 

[Media]

What can you really do to prevent attacks of this nature?

You can't, that's why terrorism is so effective. You have to change minds, not make arrests, and that's so much harder to do.

Isis and the like adore when these attacks cause xenophobia, because it makes it easier for them to recruit."See, the western world hates you, come join us! "

 

[Stead Fast]

Damn! These police officers carry only batons?? Really?

That's pretty standard actually, not every officer will be given a firearm, only special units.

 

[Audioboxer]

Yeah? And how well is that strategy going?

It's both working and failing and sure, what is failing is far more concerning as it's costing lives.

 

[TTOOLL]

What can you really do to prevent attacks of this nature?

I don't think you can, you need to eliminate the source, but when the source is an idea it becomes almost impossible. What we have to do is think why it doesn't happen in certain places.

 

[SirMossyBloke]

My mum (still in the UK) just sent me a text saying there's an incident 500 yards away from where the Manchester benefits concert is being held.

I've seen nothing on this at all. Anyone confirm?

 

[Belker]

Mi6 building is just over the road from vauxhall rail station so could be possible.

I regret posting that a bit, actually. I'm contributing to the static rather than waiting for the signal.

 

[kharma45]

Damn! These police officers carry only batons?? Really?

I could be wrong but I believe they carry tasers as well.

 

[McMoneyman]

jesus



https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/871136402699763712

Got sick in my stomach reading this :/

 

[Morat]

Massive amounts of sirens to be heard in angel, I assume they are all heading south

 

[Jezbollah]

he wasn't calling the police cunts. he said "fucking Muslim cunts". Someone else told him to shut up.

I thought​ he said "fucking Muslim cunts", maybe I misheard though.

I thought this too.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Sky just showed that video of the police shouting in the restaurant. They hadn't cut out the part where a guy calls the police cunts, but then his friend told him to shut up and not be a fucking idiot.

This is why they have to be so loud and menacing, they are dealing with drunk knobs.

He very clearly shouts "fucking Muslim cunts"

 

[Boy Wander]

What can you really do to prevent attacks of this nature?

Focus on intelligence.
Don't cut funds to the police and security services.
Don't invade countries that have fuck all to do with you on a false premise.
Better integrate people into the local community.

 

[Audioboxer]

My mum (still in the UK) just sent me a text saying there's an incident 500 yards away from where the Manchester benefits concert is being held.

I've seen nothing on this at all. Anyone confirm?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.../live-updates-police-incident-petrol-13134357

 

[TTOOLL]

Most British police officers are routinely unarmed, its always been this way.

That's pretty standard actually, not every officer will be given a firearm, only special units.

Thanks! But that is not enough to deal with terrorists, of course.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Damn! These police officers carry only batons?? Really?

In addition to what's been stated, police have also repeatedly voted against being armed as a standard. They literally do not want to be wielding firearms.

Jesus though. Guess the security level won't be coming down anytime soon...

 

[darkinstinct]

Damn! These police officers carry only batons?? Really?

Why not? London has a history with terrorism (IRA), didn't change anything. You don't need guns in public for safety. They have special forces which of course are armed.

 

[Nevasleep]

My mum (still in the UK) just sent me a text saying there's an incident 500 yards away from where the Manchester benefits concert is being held.

I've seen nothing on this at all. Anyone confirm?

Something happened earlier in a petrol station, police towed a car, not related I think.