TimeEffect
Member
I just dont understand how people can BECOME like this. I dont get how so many of them turn to such brutal and savage murdering of freaking children, how they can pull out blades and stab people.
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Terrorist attack in London [up: 6 people killed, ~50 injured, 3 attackers dead]
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AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
They need these...
Yep, and I'll say other countries, including the US, need to be proactive and get on that as well. After Nice, terrorists have seen how effective (and I hate using that word here) a big truck can be for their purposes.
Problem is, as others have said, those things ain't cheap to install all over. Not cheap at all.
Jezbollah
Member
The concert is on tomorrow....
| Praxis |
Banned
Yeah, I didn't hear the first part.
Police cordoned off a petrol station with around 15 officers, but I'm not sure how close it is to the MEN arena. It was mentioned earlier in the thread.
Manchester Evening News should have live updates on it though.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
You could call policeman a cunt in the UK if you want to, you wouldn't get shot or anything I don't think.
I don't personally go around calling police cunts, but it's really not unheard of.
SirMossyBloke
Member
Hope like fuck it's not related.
You can get arrested for it.
You can't. It's better to work on the source of the attacks and improving the 'reaction' to such attacks (learning people how to behave, improve logistics etc) than to think of more security measures. Look at cities like Baghdad or Kabul, they have great security measures but at some point stuff just is going to happen.
Modern society is and will always be vulnerable to such attacks unless we have a full 1984 mind reading totalitarian state at which point it isn't like modern society anymore.
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
Police confirm multiple fatalities. 
You Are Viewtiful
Member
This is a senseless loss of life. RIP to the victims.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
Sure you can. But you probably wouldn't be.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
Not quite related, but gun-related deaths are actually at historic lows here.
Have they voted on Tasers? Seems like a good compromise for these stabbing incidents.
MonorailCat
Member
Guns won't prevent a terror attack.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
If there are multiple incidents going on at once, you have to think coordinated attacks. Hopefully they can figure out how they communicated to track down whoever is involved in these.
Stead Fast
Banned
Arguable. I wouldn't be surprised if the next couple of years may see a reform in officers within certain metropolitan city centres being granted more access to firearms, but that is in and of itself a very slippery slope. I'd argue firearms in the hands of the officers on the bridge (according to reports) may have minimised casualties and fatalities if they were quick enough to respond, but it certainly wouldn't deter any terrorist at all, which is part of dealing with this.
SirMossyBloke
Member
3 subjects at large. Jesus. They haven't been caught.
Bits N Pieces
Member
You absolutely would. Breach of the peace.
BlazingDarkness
Member
I thought one was arrested?
Jezbollah
Member
Vauxhall station re-opened.
Situation (whatever it was) may be over there
We do not know if he was a suspect or not.
Situation (whatever it was) may be over there
We do not know if he was a suspect or not.
TTOOLL
Member
Sorry, but in this specific case the officers could have killed one, just saying. I didn't say they prevent attacks.
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
It could easily result in friendly fire and innocent suspects being shot. It's not the solution.
Um, yeah, you would...
SirMossyBloke
Member
Well there has been 1 arrest, but we know nothing about who it was and why.
Source? Sounds as if one at least may been shot from some eyewitnesses on Sky/BBC.
frankie_baby
Member
Lots of cops have tasers but they still need special training to be allowed to carry them
Audioboxer
Member
TiredofWinning
Member
The Sun is reporting 7 dead. Take it with a grain of salt of course
johancruijff
Banned
3 fucking attack at the same time...
rip to the victims
rip to the victims
London Bridge is literally next door to borough market and it sounds like those two are the same people involved - van on Bridge and then people coming out with knives into borough market. So two locations reported but (likely) one attack
Also borough market is a nightmare to secure. Multiple entrances, quite a maze inside and lots of side streets coming off from there.
i really hope they find these fucks and kill them immediately.
| Praxis |
Banned
Looks like just the two.
Boy Wander
Member
Vauxhall incident over and apparently unrelated, which doesn't surprise me given the distances involved.
TTOOLL
Member
Of course guns are not the solution to terrorism, they just a way to end the menace faster after it happened. Provided you have police around the place.
Anyway, what's the solution in your opinion?
Without commenting on whether the police should/shouldn't carry guns, bear in mind the IRA attacks were quite different.
I London, I don't recall them attacking people on the streets - apart from a couple of ambushes. Instead they bombed places and sometimes called in bomb threats themselves.
Not sure it's a like for like comparison about what tools to use.
Stead Fast
Banned
Exactly my view on it. Firearms would simply be a distraction, a quick-fix to show we're 'dealing' with terrorism, but truth be told any action that can be taken cannot counter-act low-tech attacks like this. Any that do would be incidental at best.
SirMossyBloke
Member
London police stated it. That's all I know.
Agent Gibbs
Member
You've obviously not been out in a city centre in an evening when drunk people are about! I go out maybe 4 times a year and even then you commonly see drunks gesturing insults at cops, making pig noises, shouting jibes at them, so i'm not in the slightest bit surprised by the drunks and the police's reaction
The live footage from sky, where the police are directing civilians out of the area with their hands over their heads (for obvious reasons) and you can tell who is drunk as people put their hands down, some even seem to be smiling and laughing as they are too drunk to grasp the reality - its really odd and just goes to show why the police are so forceful with people in bars and/or drunk, they need to baby them and show authority
This is just awful, i don't know what more can be done,there is a fine line between infringing rights of individuals and allowing people who could be terrorists their freedom where they can slip through the net
thankfully it might seem the Vauxhall incident isn't terror related and was just a normal "crime" that just got scooped up by the terror police as they had to be extremely vigilant