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[ProfessorMoran]

These problems aren't intractable. Doing nothing sometimes is the best response, the terrorists want us to lash out, going about our normal lives is the fighting back.

The terrorists want you to do nothing while they continue to terrorize you and force you to convert or die.

 

[Oriel]

You said arrest those returning from fighting in middle East conflicts no matter what side they were on. That's every vet currently. Or did you mean arrest any Muslims returning from fighting? I don't get how that'd help, honestly.

You're being deliberately obtuse here.

 

[Bobnob]

why don't they just report the fucking news like a real news network instead of using a terrorist attack to score some points on twitter.

Exactly

 

[JonnyDBrit]

I wonder if this attack was the one that was warned about right after the Ariana Grande concert attack? Maybe the terrorists delayed it because of that terror threat warning?

Maybe? Given the apparent implements though it's quite possible this sort of thing was spur of the moment. It's literally vans and knives, the most budget terrorism possible.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Are you sure that extremist mosques are actually that common and that authorities being "afraid" of closing them is a actual thing.
I agree with stopping the money flow from the Middle-east that funds it but since it mostly comes from Saudi Arabia good luck with that, money speaks very loud so the West will just continue business as usual with SA.

From what I understand, the issue is not that much that everyone in a certain mosque would be extremist, but that the people pushing extremist agendas go through there. Not from the UK though, so maybe it is different there. The funding comes from countries like Saudi Arabia, and the messages preached also. Sometimes there are even struggles inside the mosque between the moderate Muslims and the one having more extreme views, and we should support the moderate ones of course. Muslim politicians from left wing parties have even warned about the influence of salafism in the mosques, so that stuff needs to be taken very serious.

 

[shanafan]

why don't they just report the fucking news like a real news network instead of using a terrorist attack to score some points on twitter.

Gotta get those retweets and likes to raise their Klout score.

 

[Valhelm]

It's a catch 22. Look at libya and syria. If you dont intervene you condone human right violations and torture and killings .. if you intervene you destroy infrastructure, kill innocents and create a vacuum that spawns terror cells.

Both outcomes are shit.

In every recent Middle East conflict, intervention has led to many more casualties than government repression. When we intervene, it's never to relieve a people's suffering but instead to reduce threats to American suzerainty over the region. This is why Saudi Arabia, the most repressive Arab government, has never been seriously considered for foreign invasion.

 

[Ashes]

Maybe now with the cordons but tomorrow I'm sure it'll be fine

Yeah, you're probably right.

 

[Media]

You're being deliberately obtuse here.

No? Sorry if you think I am I guess I just didn't understand what you mean. Honestly baffled.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

So sick of these cowardly attacks. If you're so willing to die or kill for a cause, join a fucking army and fight your enemy combatants on the field of battle. Leave innocent civilians out of it.

Didn't we drone strike 200 civilians for a couple of snipers the other day? Wonder where the 17+ page thread on that one is

 

[Empty]

why don't they just report the fucking news like a real news network instead of using a terrorist attack to score some points on twitter.

seriously. very irritating and smug tweet.

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

So sick of these cowardly attacks. If you're so willing to die or kill for a cause, join a fucking army and fight your enemy combatants on the field of battle. Leave innocent civilians out of it.

So they should join ISIS and murder innocent Iraqis, Egyptians, Syrians, Libyans etc?

 

[ZeoVGM]

why don't they just report the fucking news like a real news network instead of using a terrorist attack to score some points on twitter.

Pointing out that the president is being irresponsible on Twitter is, unfortunately, "the fucking news."

 

[Sinfamy]

To those who supported punching Nazis, would you also support violence against people who hold these extremist views?

(People wishing, supporting and condoning violence against the west, innocence, apostates).

 

[D4Danger]

Pointing out that the president is being irresponsible on Twitter is, unfortunately, "the fucking news."

the people lying dead on the streets of London is the news

 

[AnythingBut]

From someone who was born and bred, plus works in London (motorcycle courier), if *they* this is going to scare us then they seriously underestimate us all.

Up your arse with broken glass isis.

 

[Tovarisc]

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Didn't we drone strike 200 civilians for a couple of snipers the other day? Wonder where the 17+ page thread on that one is

You honestly don't see the difference?

 

[Boy Wander]

Could it have anything to do with US, UK, Russia, et al constantly invading them and overthrowing their governments over the past century? Or is this all just a weird coincidence?

That's definitely part of it and I agree that the West has interfered through some fucked up sense of superiority. A lot of what is going on these days however is nothing much to do with the West. It's to do with Assad in Syria, Maliki in Iraq and a bunch of other contributing factors.

 

[Chococat]

Ugh. Just got out of the movie and thought this was a necro thread about Westminster.

I wish it was. So terrible.

Any updates please?

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Ok it's officially declared as a terrorist attack - MET

 

[ClosingADoor]

No? Sorry if you think I am I guess I just didn't understand what you mean. Honestly baffled.

People going there on their own to fight should be arrested if they come back and locked up. Of course UK soldiers and people sent there by the government would not.

Didn't we drone strike 200 civilians for a couple of snipers the other day? Wonder where the 17+ page thread on that one is

One is in a far away war zone. This one is close to home for people here. One is not done on purpose, this one is. One is in an area where we expect terrible events, because it is a civil war. This one is in the middle of London. Seems to be plenty of reasons why this is 17+ pages.

 

[Jumeira]

Persecuting a group of people usually doesn't get a great response from them -- prison is rarely effective at rehabilitating people. You might be interested in this though: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...town-helped-young-muslims-turn-away-from-isis



A Police department in Denmark has seen nice gains by actually engaging with muslims and their community centers, clerics, etc.

I said im at a loss, thanks for posting the article ill read it shortly.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

But that doesn't stop random attacks like this, unless you want someone following them 24/7.

If that's what it takes. We'll tail you, bring you in for questioning, talk to your friends and neighbors asking about you, put you on the no-fly list, if you manage to get out of the country, good luck trying to get back in.

 

[Stead Fast]

Vaxhuall was indeed a stabbing, but not connected to the attacks.

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/871152386739404800

 

[Bobnob]

Bring back national service for all,muslims included.
Give these fuckers something to do

 

[daviyoung]

To those who supported punching Nazis, would you also support violence against people who hold these extremist views?

What the hell

 

[Oersted]

seriously. very irritating and smug tweet.

Your President is spreading rumors from a fake news outlet.


Your problem is one tweet pointing that out.


Okay.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

You honestly don't see the difference?

It's not really a matter if I see the difference is it.

Do you think they see the difference?

 

[Ashes]

Met police Twitter is better than the news. Good on them.

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

Bring back national service for all,muslims included.

You forgot the /s, right?

 

[PatThePassive]

To those who supported punching Nazis, would you also support violence against people who hold these extremist views?

I would hope someone would knock the shit out of a dude running around with a knife or killing people with a van.

 

[pigeon interrupted]

No? Sorry if you think I am I guess I just didn't understand what you mean. Honestly baffled.

I think he means that we have people on many sides in places like Syria for example: fighting with Isis, against Isis, against Assad, etc who then return home. I'm not sure how many sides there are tbh.

 

[lostcauz]

I wonder if this attack was the one that was warned about right after the Ariana Grande concert attack? Maybe the terrorists delayed it because of that terror threat warning?

Huh, its not like this attack could be tracked as potentially happening in the future, it takes next to no planning with anyone able to carry this out at a moments notice, the only way it could be avoided would be if the terrorists were being monitored.

 

[Audioboxer]

Possibly greater powers to arrest people based on 'thought crimes' ie people with extremist views, people that sympathise with a terrorist cause, these should all be possible reasons to arrest/jail people. Sympathisers are well versed in what they can and cant say, they setup stalls irritating everyone (even muslims) with thier obvious intent, i dont think we should allow these people to engage, just imprison them & rehabilitate. The later maybe fairytale nonsense, but ofcourse we cant let these people free on our streets

We can already arrest terrorist sympathisers. A lot of those in jail right now are for ISIS propaganda and sympathising. Often preaching but sometimes just having material and engaging with the propaganda.

Rotherham in part happened as the police were "scared to act". That is one behavioural approach that needs nuked into orbit. We cannot have that. When there is CREDIBLE and/or SERIOUS reports of behaviour/activity the police and intelligence services need to take it seriously and act. It doesn't matter in one sense who the report is on, where they live or what their background is. Act on reports, but sure, treat with respect as intelligence and information can be wrong.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

To those who supported punching Nazis, would you also support violence against people who hold these extremist views?

Not surprised to see you make a stupid post.

But to answer the question, I'd rather those planning to violently harm others be arrested before they can act.

 

[Media]

People going there on their own to fight should be arrested if they come back and locked up. Of course UK soldiers and people sent there by the government would not.

Oh, okay. That happens often? I had no idea.

 

[skypunch]

These problems aren't intractable. Doing nothing sometimes is the best response, the terrorists want us to lash out, going about our normal lives is the fighting back.

Going about our normal lives is all we can do anyway. We don't have the power. The power is in the hands of our governments, but they're making shitty decisions with it and invading other countries. Dickhead rich presidents and PM's putting their own people's lives on the line because it's profitable.

 

[mrklaw]

Yeah, you're probably right.

You staying in the area? Back safely?

Edit: sorry it's fireandblood that was the original one visiting,.

 

[shira]

RIP

 

[George Washington]

You forgot the /s, right?

It looks like an alt account.

 

[Moosichu]

The terrorists want you to do nothing while they continue to terrorize you and force you to convert or die.

That's not what they are doing in the West though? And no, the terrorists have repeatedly stated they want to see Muslims disenfranchised and the personal freedoms of westerners removed by domestic government. Again, terrorist attacks are horrific publicity stunts by terrorists, they could never hope to cause on a scale required to come near to even fighting a war - so they project terror through localised high profile events.

They want to change our way of life, but ultimately we are the ones who decide whether to let them.

Also, if we start restricting the personal freedoms of ourselves, what makes you think that they will stop at that, if what they managed to achieve was so successful?

 

[ClosingADoor]

Oh, okay. That happens often? I had no idea.

Less now that ISIS is losing there. But there have been dozens of cases of people traveling to Syria to join them and later coming back. Not all are arrested because it can't be proven what exactly they have done there.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

It's not really a matter if I see the difference is it.

Do you think they see the difference?

You were the one trying to draw a comparison between the two. I cannot talk to them.

I guess I just don't understand what the point of the comment was.

 

[Sqrt_minus_one]

I'm not saying we shouldn't intervene - because I don't know my opinion - but why the Middle East and not North Korea, parts of Africa, countries in South America, etc...

Is the North Korea one not fairly obvious - I dont want to start a nuclear holocaust so I dont intervene. That was the entire point of NK developing nukes - secondly the Korean war where the North Koreans with Chinese backing beat back an intervention to finally divide Korea into 2.

The US and the UK regularly and continuously intervene in parts of Africa too.

History is replete with US interventions in South America too. So plenty of interventions to go round really.

 

[Shadow Puppetry]

To those who supported punching Nazis, would you also support violence against people who hold these extremist views?

(People wishing, supporting and condoning violence against the west, innocence, apostates).

...que?

 

[Stranya]

I'm here in London vacation. It's crazy with all the sirens.

I was originally planning on doing Tower of London and Borough Market/Maltby St tomorrow morning. I already got my tickets. Not sure what now.

Poor London.

Tower of London should be fine, I used to work at Tower Hill and also near London Bridge, and they're a way apart.

 

[Breakage]

Just beyond me how you get to such a state of being influenced that you can cold bloodiedly kill like this.

Yeah, it's the planned indiscriminate nature of it all. Man, woman or child, everyone's fair game. And that's one of the reasons why comparisons to car accidents and bee stings are pointless. We live among people who are actively planning mass murder and have no qualms about mowing people down plunging large knives into them or blowing them to bits. It really feels as if they hold the cards regardless of how good our security services are. I don't think people will tolerate a future where attacks like become a monthly occurance (which isn't implausible since it's easy to equip yourself with a van and a few knives).

 

[SictorVullivan]

Hearing on Sky that apparently there were 5 assailants seen, one of them going into a restaurant and people throwing bottles/tables at him.

Horrible.

 

[Roufianos]

These problems aren't intractable. Doing nothing sometimes is the best response, the terrorists want us to lash out, going about our normal lives is the fighting back.

Yea I guess. It's just difficult. Every time I go to Central London now I have a bad feeling. Sadly, it's only going to get worse.

We went years without an attack but the Westminster incident has shown these scumbags that it can be done.