Nothing stupider than using dead and injured people to score some points. Are you insane?
Yes, someone punching a terrorist running with a blade in his hand on a street would be great, but also very dangerous for the one who would want to try that.
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Terrorist attack in London [up: 6 people killed, ~50 injured, 3 attackers dead]
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Nothing stupider than using dead and injured people to score some points. Are you insane?
Yes, someone punching a terrorist running with a blade in his hand on a street would be great, but also very dangerous for the one who would want to try that.
OfTheOverflow
Member
God this fucking sucks. My heart aches for my European friends, I didn't want to wake up to this.
If I had to say, I think the solution is a long term one, as much as it probably pains to hear. Either we really reach out to the Muslim communities and liaise with them to try and solve their problems while they give us intel on possible radicals, or we introduce invasive, discriminatory laws that cause a bigger divide and lead to more radicalisation.
I understand people who are clamouring for nasty policy changes and wanting to give in. It's coming from a place of passion and fear. But ultimately it'll just make things worse I think.
If I had to say, I think the solution is a long term one, as much as it probably pains to hear. Either we really reach out to the Muslim communities and liaise with them to try and solve their problems while they give us intel on possible radicals, or we introduce invasive, discriminatory laws that cause a bigger divide and lead to more radicalisation.
I understand people who are clamouring for nasty policy changes and wanting to give in. It's coming from a place of passion and fear. But ultimately it'll just make things worse I think.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Well great, so there was just a 'typical' stabbing alongside the potential terrorist ones.
crimsondynamics
Member
Don't know if anyone has already mentioned this, but it makes me wonder what terrorists would do in a world with driverless cars - could they alter the software to accomplish similar acts?
Dangansona
Member
It's going to be decades if ever before self driving cars don't have a manual control option.
Yeah, hats off to how they've been handling this situation.
These attacks are because of economic deprivation?
Sinfamy
Member
Didn't know I was notorious for my stupidity :c
What do we do to fight it, then? Do we join our armed forces in the fight, and kill these motherfuckers, so that they can get it that we're not to be fucked with? Seems to me that the police/armed forces can't possibly be everywhere all the time, so how do we defend ourselves and fight back?
| Praxis |
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Young kid was stabbed to death earlier today in London. It happens, it's a major city.
Please stop with this rubbish. Lots of young people from all ethnic backgrounds are deprived and you don't see them resorting to terrorism.
If someone is about to end the life of another human being, say a child who cannot defend themselves, then yeah, by all means, I'd step in and defend a child's right to live.
OK, to clarify all fighters who have volunteered to fight in Syria for the warring parties in that conflict should be arrested and prosecuted upon their return. Doesn't matter if it they were fighting for ISIS, the SDF, FSA, JaN, or any of the other hundreds of armed groups. Arrest and prosecute foreign fighters upon their return to Europe. This is already being done in multiple countries and should be undertaken aggressively to deter anyone considering taking up a sabbatical as a rebel or Jihadist in Syria.
NATO countries already have professional special forces there aiding local rebel groups.....and obviously we're not going to prosecute soldiers returning from a conflicy they were ordered to by their respective govts.
NoblesseOblige
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Are you ignoring the social alienation part?
chromatic9
Member
There seems to a wave pattern of sorts, like the propaganda and networks concentrate efforts to one area at a time hoping to turn people. UK went a long time without much happening.
Gabriel_Logan
Member
economic anxiety.
Stead Fast
Banned
Agreed. One thing I've taken away from these recent attacks is how well the Police use twitter to quell as much misinformation as possible.
Agreed, there should be no concern for victim complex and i know the community would welcome them, root these fuckers out.
Ravensmash
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Dangansona
Member
Germany definitely had a rough couple of months last summer.
You expect leftists to say they love ISIS or something?
Fascists are fascists.
very insightful post
You think the statement makes sense if that was included? Even if it was included, what's the explanation between these attacks and economic deprivation.
Charles Brandon
Member
Listen pal, some of us live in this city, Your bullshit false equivalence is not appreciated at this time.
JonnyDBrit
Member
I realise. Just really frustrating since it further obfuscates the news, and well, someone still got stabbed.
Pull out of areas and let them painfully figure it out themselves? While we might go into places like Syria with the best intentions, that is used as ammunition against us and used to radicalise people to attack like this.
As difficult as it may be, perhaps we stop interfering? Also worth considering that although sometimes there is an initially good intention to prevent human rights abuses etc, that can rapidly turn into governments pushing political agendas when looking at how to fill any power gaps. Many developed countries have in the past used smaller countries' turbulent situations for their own ends
Boy Wander
Member
Take note, NY Times.
I would not state that it would end. There are always dumbfucks and some are plain evil.
I also would not use the fear of terror as the motivation to welcome them. We simply owe it to each other.
But anyway, thats just me splitting hairs and I agree, it has to be done.
Stead Fast
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Didn't say it before but the Vauxhall attack itself is a sobering reminder that whilst all that is good about cities like London will go on regardless of terrorism, so does the bad. Haven't heard anything else about Vauxhall, hoping it wasn't fatal.
Nobody has the right answer. Everyone sees it through the prism of their own mind. And reacts either through this prism or parrots something they heard others said expressing this opinion.
Some Muslims see this as crazy people.
Some Anti-religious or anti-muslims think it's all the irrational religion's fault.
Some Muslims see this as crazy people.
Some Anti-religious or anti-muslims think it's all the irrational religion's fault.
the regressive left do
I have not listened to all of it - it was quite depressing - but there is an interesting Sam Harris podcast where he reads from a 'publication' and compares and contrasts some suggested reasons for this violence, versus what the publication explicitly says are the reasons for violence.
It's quite possible that someone might start listening with one set of assumptions and a sense of understanding and finish with a completely different set.
It's worth pointing out that 50,543 in London in 2015, that's 140 a day. There are many things that are way more likely to kill you day to day than a terrorist attack.
However, this does nothing to diminish the horror of this event, the brutal wastage and cutting short of lives which still had so much potential love, discover and wonder to experience cannot be understated.
Don't let it affect your life though, as statistically speaking, while we live in a free, open and developed society, you are safe.
If that means a 'do or die' situation where kids aren't free on the streets because some crazy moron who still imagines that 'ala' told them that killing is the way to be close to him. Yes, I would support it.
If there is another way still, and I still believe there's another way, I would never support that idea.
Love Isis? Really? Who?
Agent Gibbs
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The Rotherham situation is disgusting as was/is the reluctance to address that it occurred due to a cultural difference and its views of young women, its not racist to arrest a particular group if they are all of one ethnicity if they have all committed crimes and no police force of political should ever be scared to act! that was a warped interpretation of liberalism/PC culture what ever you want to call it (too tired to think of the correct term)
That does need to be weeded out, if a Mosque is allowing extremist preachers then officials should not be afraid to take them to task AND people should not take an offense to being acted upon it is in everyone's best interests to burn extremism to the ground
Likewise if a protestant/Catholic/jewish/ flying spaghetti monster sect started up with extremist actions i'd expect the same i'd expect it, this fear that leads to inaction is disgusting and allowing terrorists to operate
Honestly, I don't even take religion into account. These people are out of their fucking minds, and they're evil. We don't have to understand them, we just have to get rid of them.
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If it was that simple then you'd have terrorist attacks from all poor people. There's a lot more to it than that, and there have been attacks carried by people who weren't poor. The radical religious aspect is a big part of it, and that is fueled by all sorts of issues, including cultural ones to sexual frustrations, ignorance and many more.
...the fuck are you talking about seriously
Who's the regressive left?
It could be argued that by creating the distinction between believer and non-believer, Islam increases the likelihood of self-imposed social alienation.
hydrophilic attack
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This is really sad.
Rest in peace
Rest in peace
JonnyDBrit
Member
So apparently the attackers are into slitting throats. Hoping against all odds the victim here survives.
I really shouldn't have to point out that there are also non-Muslims that are likewise experiencing social alienation and economic deprivation. There are many examples of British born ISIS fighters hailing from fairly middle class backgrounds to boot.
Multiple things can be news at once.
How the president of our country responds to those "people lying dead" is news as well. Especially when he does it insensitively and ignorantly. As I pointed out earlier, this was his response:
Trump's first comment on this incident was to fucking retweet The Drudge Report.
His second was to use the incident to convince people to ban Muslims from the country.
The third was what you would think would be his first comment.
I can understand not liking the smugness behind NBC's tweet but the meaning behind it remains. Trump's response was inappropriate and he should be called out on it.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Islamism definitely catches the favor of the poor and socially alienated... but it also attracts the rich, educated and socially well-adjusted.
We also have to recognize that the desire to return Islam to political ascendency over the world via force is a strong intellectual desire that can hook anyone, regardless of social and economic well being. Islamism is a very attractive ideology that you don't have to be "broken" to hook into, as twisted as it may seem to those of us on the outside.