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Tesla Model 3 will be revealed on March 31st

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nilbog21

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Not kidding when I say that the Model S is literally the most common vehicle on my 14 mile morning commute. By far. Closely followed by the Subaru Outback.

only thing that could get me to stop me from buying a model 3 is a EV Crosstrek
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lord pie

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only thing that could get me to stop me from buying a model 3 is a EV Crosstrek
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I love the look of the vehicle. They are incredibly common around here too (central Oregon)
Such an incredibly shame how poorly it drove when I tried it. An EV version with a drastically lower center of gravity and no CVT would be brilliant.

I was secretly hoping the model 3 was going to be a Crosstrek / Golf style hatch.
 

Ashes

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Chevy Cobalt vs. Tesla Model S at highway speeds head-on. The Cobalt driver got on the wrong side of the freeway and was going the wrong way. This is the equivalent of running head-on into a wall at 130+ mph.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/4dwe4k/tesla_saves_another_life/

The Cobalt driver was killed instantly. The Tesla driver walked away with minor injuries.

I drive a Ford Explorer and I'm used to being the bigger car on the road. I've always wondered about the safety I would be giving up by going to a smaller car like a Model 3. These sorts of stories at least make me feel like Tesla takes safety seriously.

You're assuming that bigger cars are safer? I know it sounds reasonable but it's actually not in all circumstances.

edit: Scratch that reverse it. The ford explorer is a whole lot bigger than I'd thought it was. And also I was thinking of Volvo v40; tesla are no match for volvo where safety is concerned.
 

duderon

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You're assuming that bigger cars are safer? I know it sounds reasonable but it's actually not in all circumstances.

edit: Scratch that reverse it. The ford explorer is a whole lot bigger than I'd thought it was. And also I was thinking of Volvo v40; tesla are no match for volvo where safety is concerned.

They are absolutely a match since the Model S is 5 stars in every category in the US and the highest rating on the Euro crash test, as well.
 

Jisgsaw

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They are absolutely a match since the Model S is 5 stars in every category in the US and the highest rating on the Euro crash test, as well.

A lot of cars reach the five stars...
When you know how these stars are awarded, having 5 stars doesn't necessarily means much compared to another 5 stars car.


On topic of the autopilot: I'm still chocked Tesla let it out as it is with so few restrictions, and above all that the Netherlands and US certified it. I spoke with a colleague, the autopilot once took the oncoming traffic as his own lane and would and driven right into it if the driver hadn't taken over.
 

Ashes

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They are absolutely a match since the Model S is 5 stars in every category in the US and the highest rating on the Euro crash test, as well.

They are comparable yes, but here in Europe, Volvo achieves higher marks, objectively speaking.

Compare Volvo's SUV XC90 and Tesla model S.



Even with the xc90 being the bigger 4x4 SUV vehicle, it is better for a pedestrian to be hit by a Volvo then the Tesla Sedan.

Volvo is better across the board even with the major inherent safeness advantage of an electric vehicle that Tesla has [lack of combustion engine, very low centre of gravity, bigger crumple zone at the front, due to no engine etc].

For me 100% > 71% is a different class. 97% > 82% is a different class. And 87% > 77% is a different class. And those three are Adult Occupant, Safety Assist, and Child Occupant. And as mentioned before even being an SUV it is better at pedesterian protection too.
 

duderon

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They are comparable yes, but here in Europe, Volvo achieves higher marks, objectively speaking.

Compare Volvo's SUV XC90 and Tesla model S.





Even with the xc90 being the bigger 4x4 SUV vehicle, it is better for a pedestrian to be hit by a Volvo then the Tesla Sedan.

Volvo is better across the board even with the major inherent safeness advantage of an electric vehicle that Tesla has [lack of combustion engine, very low centre of gravity, bigger crumple zone at the front, due to no engine etc].

For me 100% > 71% is a different class. 97% > 82% is a different class. And 87% > 77% is a different class. And those three are Adult Occupant, Safety Assist, and Child Occupant. And as mentioned before even being an SUV it is better at pedesterian protection too.

Interesting that there is no rollover rating in that test, or I missed it.
 
It's not just Volvo btw. Model S got 5 stars, but many other cars got significantly better ratings overall. Just for example check Mercedes' C-class (2014) or Audis A4 (2015).
Not saying that Model S is bad in terms of safety, but it's certainly not exactly the benchmark.
 

Makki

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For me 100% > 71% is a different class. 97% > 82% is a different class. And 87% > 77% is a different class. And those three are Adult Occupant, Safety Assist, and Child Occupant. And as mentioned before even being an SUV it is better at pedesterian protection too.

I know which car I'm buying instead of a Tesla S if I want to kill pedestrians but save my child:
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nilbog21

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I can't wait until every car has auto pilot and we can increase the speed limits, decrease congestion, etc the future is bright
 

FyreWulff

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I can't wait until every car has auto pilot and we can increase the speed limits, decrease congestion, etc the future is bright

funnily enough if every car auto drives, we could actually reduce the speed limit on every highway and you'd get there faster than you do now since there would be no more traffic jams or caterpillar effect and perfect zipper merging.
 

Jisgsaw

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funnily enough if every car auto drives, we could actually reduce the speed limit on every highway and you'd get there faster than you do now since there would be no more traffic jams or caterpillar effect and perfect zipper merging.

You'd need more than autopilots for that, you'd need connected cars + central command to redistribute traffic.
You could actually get even more caterpillar effects without communicating cars, if the autopilot tries to keep its safety distance all the time (which human driver don't).
 

FyreWulff

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You'd need more than autopilots for that, you'd need connected cars + central command to redistribute traffic.
You could actually get even more caterpillar effects without communicating cars, if the autopilot tries to keep its safety distance all the time (which human driver don't).

you'd only need central command to do lightless intersections (where cars don't stop in both directions).

Perfect zipper and no caterpillar can be accomplished by humans, it just requires nobody to do useless shit like going all the way up to a bumper. Maintaining safe distance at all times would be slower but steadily rolling traffic; currently when everyone is riding each other, you have to wait for the cars in front to move, so you can move, so people behind you can move.

auto driving cars would always be at distance so lanes could merge into each other without stopping and would always at least be slowly rolling forward.

central command would definitely make in-city highways obsolete as cars would become so effective at using in-city roads that the main benefit of highways (not stopping) would be safely used on regular streets.
 

Bboy AJ

My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
Looks better. Now do something similar for the 3.
 

toohectic

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Is that official, or just a fan mockup? I like the look of it on the red Model S above, but the front looks heavy or perhaps bulky on the white version. Something's not right. Maybe the lack of the low profile wheels is throwing me off on the white version.
 

nataku

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I'd hope they would do something similar for the 3 now that they've done that. It'd give all three of their cars a consistent front end look.

Looks tons better than it did before.
 

Bboy AJ

My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
The 3's already grille-less. I do like the logo placement better on the new S than on the 3, though.
I'm aware of what the 3 looks like. And it doesn't look as good as the S.
 

Jisgsaw

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you'd only need central command to do lightless intersections (where cars don't stop in both directions).

Perfect zipper and no caterpillar can be accomplished by humans, it just requires nobody to do useless shit like going all the way up to a bumper. Maintaining safe distance at all times would be slower but steadily rolling traffic; currently when everyone is riding each other, you have to wait for the cars in front to move, so you can move, so people behind you can move.

auto driving cars would always be at distance so lanes could merge into each other without stopping and would always at least be slowly rolling forward.

central command would definitely make in-city highways obsolete as cars would become so effective at using in-city roads that the main benefit of highways (not stopping) would be safely used on regular streets.

If all the cars have the same navigation system, they will all choose the same fastest way, creating a traffic jam. Traffic jams aren't all due to human driving; highways (andnespecially exits) only have a limited throughput.
If zipping is done as you describe, it will create a caterpillar effect.

Anyway, it's all very theoretical, as human drivers aren't going anywhere for at least 50+ years.
 
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