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Tesla Model 3 will be revealed on March 31st

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CFMOORE!

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Septimus Prime said:
Guys, the Big Three aren't convinced!

http://jalopnik.com/how-a-boring-finance-call-shows-that-the-big-three-will-1773268524


Lol.
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Has anyone run with that bit of news regarding the size of battery? I always assumed the smallest would be 60kw as the base, that bit fr the call hints it will be smaller which right now does actually make me question the range figures.

Obviously tech improves and they can probably squeeze out more range from smaller batteries, but it does make me more interested in what the sizes are in fact going to be.
 
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mcfrank

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CFMOORE! said:
Has anyone run with that bit of news regarding the size of battery? I always assumed the smallest would be 60kw as the base, that bit fr the call hints it will be smaller which right now does actually make me question the range figures.

Obviously tech improves and they can probably squeeze out more range from smaller batteries, but it does make me more interested in what the sizes are in fact going to be.
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Lighter more aerodynamic car should get more mileage. My guess is they do a 50, 60, 70 version to start at 215, 250, 280 range give or take.
 
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CFMOORE!

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mcfrank said:
Lighter more aerodynamic car should get more mileage. My guess is they do a 50, 60, 70 version to start at 215, 250, 280 range give or take.
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Yeah, I would consider those, but the fact the car is mostly steel, I would think its weight would be a negative to the smaller battery with something below 60 being base. But you're right on the aerodynamic front. I am sure the design will lend itself well to that.

Either way, mine was preordered a couple hours after the stores opened on the 31st and I am looking forward to the car!!
 
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Doodis

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wachie said:
That's so rich of Volvo considering - https://youtu.be/AsTxS6tg6xc
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Ouch, that looked painful.

Sky Chief said:
Tesla really needs to improve the front of the car because it's fucking ugly. I have a preorder but I already have a really badass car that I think is beautiful. Honestly the front of the Tesla looks so bad I couldn't buy it if that's the way the production model looks. The rest of the car is great but the front is hideous. Hopefully I can afford a Model S by then and it's a moot point.
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While I can completely understand that it's a subjective thing, I personally thing the front looks great. What do you think of the new Model S nose (reworked to look more like the Model X)?
 
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Sky Chief

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Doodis said:
Ouch, that looked painful.



While I can completely understand that it's a subjective thing, I personally thing the front looks great. What do you think of the new Model S nose (reworked to look more like the Model X)?
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I have always loved the way that the S looks, I think it's one of the best looking cars out there. I like the update even more but I think it would look even better if they slimmed down the nose a little more. I like the X too but it's not quite as good (I have a general preference for sedans).

The 3 just looks really unfinished. I say this because from some angles the front looks okay but from others I literally think it is one of the most hideous fronts of a car I have ever seen and I don't think it goes well with the rest of the car which is generally quite good looking. Honestly, right now this is a deal breaker for me.

EDIT: anyway it could be worse, it could look like a Porsche Panamera
 
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Doodis

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Sky Chief said:
I have always loved the way that the S looks, I think it's one of the best looking cars out there. I like the update even more but I think it would look even better if they slimmed down the nose a little more. I like the X too but it's not quite as good (I have a general preference for sedans).

The 3 just looks really unfinished. I say this because from some angles the front looks okay but from others I literally think it is one of the most hideous fronts of a car I have ever seen and I don't think it goes well with the rest of the car which is generally quite good looking. Honestly, right now this is a deal breaker for me.

EDIT: anyway it could be worse, it could look like a Porsche Panamera
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Glad you like the S refresh and the X. Have you seen this recent shot of the 3?

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Sky Chief

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Doodis said:
Glad you like the S refresh and the X. Have you seen this recent shot of the 3?

ChEey8fU0AE1TVJ.jpg
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The car looks great except for the front. It looks unfinished. like something's missing. I think it would look better if it didn't have the middle lip. It's really busy at the bottom with two lips and then on the sides with the chrome things / fog lights(?) but then in the middle front it's just nothing. There's no balance, it looks bad. I think they need to simplify the bottom part and add something to the middle section because right now it's ugly.
 
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Elon is promising big but Tesla has not met a production target or start date yet.

Which might be why their stock has been drifting endlessly downwards since the Model 3 reveal. People are realizing just what a monumental task Elon has set for himself. He wants to make 500,000 cars a year in 2018 when his company shipped about 50,000 cars in 2015. The S didn't hit an actual street until 2 years after the originally planned launch date, the X didn't until 3 years after. (Thanks, DeLorean doors!)

I would love to be driving my 3 in 2017 but I'm not holding my breath. Elon's saying he's probably going to pursue another round of financing too, so I wouldn't buy any Tesla shares anytime soon either. He's estimating today that he will have burned another $1.8 billion in cash before the first 3 hits an actual street, and Tesla has $1.4 million cash on hand. I don't doubt he'll get the money he wants though.
 
Joel Was Right

Joel Was Right

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Honestly, the new front designs have put me off these cars considerably. I cringe whenever I see that Model 3. Compare that to having the Model S being my desktop wallpaper...
 
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NYR

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Doodis said:
Glad you like the S refresh and the X. Have you seen this recent shot of the 3?

ChEey8fU0AE1TVJ.jpg
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Car looks great, but it's Deadpool v1.0 with that front. Doesn't look natural or "right".

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Looks way better with a faux grill. Tesla should own it and make something cool, maybe some viable batteries or something.
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This is my fav, though:
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Unknown Soldier said:
Elon is promising big but Tesla has not met a production target or start date yet.

Which might be why their stock has been drifting endlessly downwards since the Model 3 reveal. People are realizing just what a monumental task Elon has set for himself. He wants to make 500,000 cars a year in 2018 when his company shipped about 50,000 cars in 2015. The S didn't hit an actual street until 2 years after the originally planned launch date, the X didn't until 3 years after. (Thanks, DeLorean doors!)

I would love to be driving my 3 in 2017 but I'm not holding my breath. Elon's saying he's probably going to pursue another round of financing too, so I wouldn't buy any Tesla shares anytime soon either. He's estimating today that he will have burned another $1.8 billion in cash before the first 3 hits an actual street, and Tesla has $1.4 million cash on hand. I don't doubt he'll get the money he wants though.
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Yeah Tesla still has a long way to go to earn my trust. Unbelievable so many gave them deposits on a non product. It's not even fully designed yet.

I won't be buying tesla for another 10 years. I want to make sure they actually stick around and can make reliable products.
 
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Bsigg12

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Meus Renaissance said:
Honestly, the new front designs have put me off these cars considerably. I cringe whenever I see that Model 3. Compare that to having the Model S being my desktop wallpaper...
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Unknown Soldier said:
I'm assuming they will do something about Neo's mouth sewed shut, God knows they've gotten enough feedback about it by now.
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I doubt it will change too much now that the new Model S has a similar front end.

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gwarm01

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I didn't like the front when I first saw it, but now I think it looks really cool. I'm glad the model S adopted that style too.
 
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Abounder

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I expect delays but Tesla earned its hype and they've got the factory/cars to show for it. The potential scam to look out for in this industry would be the 3 wheeler from Elio Motors
 
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Unknown Soldier

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gatti-man said:
It's still money you're giving up on a product that isn't even finished being designed or even a guaranteed delivery date. Seems entirely based on hype.
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Auto reservations always work like that. Tesla didn't invent the car preorder. If you wanted to reserve a Chevy Bolt you would go to the dealer and do the same thing, you can't reserve it for free. They will demand money for a reservation.
 
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nomster

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Unknown Soldier said:
Auto reservations always work like that. Tesla didn't invent the car preorder. If you wanted to reserve a Chevy Bolt you would go to the dealer and do the same thing, you can't reserve it for free. They will demand money for a reservation.
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And at least Tesla wont hold you hostage once the car finally comes in. If you go to dealer and reserve a hard to find car they mark it up like crazy.
 
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Doodis

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I like the nose. Again, people are used to seeing a grille because ICE cars need them. There's absolutely no point in having it on an electric other than "because people are used to it," which isn't a great reason.

That said, I wouldn't mind this since it would fit in with the family design.
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KeRaSh

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So I finally pulled the trigger yesterday. Feels great. I love the design of the car, even the front.
Hopefully they can stay on schedule so I can get my 3 before 2020. I don't expect it by 2018 but 2019 would still be great. Musk's tweet gives me hope.
Pre ordered in Germany. #Tier2Country
My only fear is that the charging network around me stays the way it currently is. Although I do have quite a few chargers near my apartment, they're all slow Type 2 chargers that charge around 50 km of range per hour. One is very close to home, though. I could plug it in, go home and pick it up when I get the notification that it's fully charged. It that a thing people do? Leave the car unattended while it charges?
I fully expect the charging network to be more advanced by 2018/2019, though. Unfortunately I don't have a way to charge in our shared apartment garage.
 
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I don't mind the look of the front end (though I wouldn't mind if they changed it to match the Model S and X), but I really don't like the Tesla logo on the hood. Looks tacky.

gatti-man said:
It's still money you're giving up on a product that isn't even finished being designed or even a guaranteed delivery date. Seems entirely based on hype.
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As others have said, the money is fully refundable. If it bothers you that much, just think of it as a temporary separate bank account, haha.
 
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twinturbo2 said:
Whelp!
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It's not good but if you spent five additional seconds reading you might find that this happens everywhere.

“Wherever there’s an auto industry, we’re there,” said Drazen, one of the workers who agreed to be interviewed if the newspaper only used his first name. The 45-year-old Croatian spent his third Christmas working in a U.S. factory. He expected his next stop for the Slovenian subcontractor ISM Vuzem to be at a Volkswagen plant in Tennessee.
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East Lake said:
It's not good but if you spent five additional seconds reading you might find that this happens everywhere.
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Indeed.

https://www.teslamotors.com/en_AU/b...cle-hidden-workforce-expanding-teslas-factory

Regarding the accident that resulted in Mr. Lesnik being injured, Cal/OSHA (the government regulator that investigates workplace accidents like these) came to our factory, investigated the incident and found that Tesla was not responsible. When Mr. Lesnik brought a workers compensation case, Tesla was dismissed from the case because the judge concluded that we had no legal responsibility for what occurred.

All of that is fine legally, but there is a larger point. Morally, we need to give Mr. Lesnik the benefit of the doubt and we need to take care of him. We will make sure this happens. We do not condone people coming to work at a Tesla facility, whether they work for us, one of our contractors or even a sub-subcontractor, under the circumstances described in the article. If Mr. Lesnik or his colleagues were really being paid $5 an hour, that is totally unacceptable. Tesla is one of the highest paying hourly employers in the US automotive industry. We do this out of choice, because we think it is right. Nobody is making us do so.

Tesla will be working with Eisenmann and Vuzem to investigate this thoroughly. If the claims are true, Tesla will take action to ensure that the right thing happens and all are treated fairly.
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Compare that to how Takata are dealing with the airbag recall at the moment... (which is an interesting case to read up on - specfically around the culture differences in dealing with controversy like this - if you're at all interested.)
 
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duderon

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captive said:
best get rid of your iphone and ipad. At least Elon is straight up about it.

Seriously you're going to post literally everything negative you can find on Tesla arent you?
Is Chevy paying you?
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It'll be fun to bump when the real newsworthy events are going down. I'm sure he'll mysteriously disappear. Probably Bob Lutz's grandkid or something.
 
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