Amir0x said:Christoph Waltz by itself embodies a villain that is worth the sum total of five billion Stephan Lang's.
Well, Tarantino is much better at creating characters than Cameron so it's not all that surprising.
Amir0x said:Christoph Waltz by itself embodies a villain that is worth the sum total of five billion Stephan Lang's.
tekumseh said:I'll even go this far: The Fed that Lang played in Public Enemies was a far more fully realized character than the one he played in Avatar, and in that movie he probably didn't have more than 15 lines of dialog...
tekumseh said:The two most egregious errors in the awards tonight, IMO, were IB losing the screenplay award and The White Ribbon failing to win best foreign film over El Secreto De Sus Ojos, which I found to be interesting but ultimately pretty forgettable...
ryutaro's mama said:But you agree my gripes are valid, right?
People need to quit talking like this. Its fucking embarrassing.Talamius said:I would love THL GAF to explain this one as well. It really seemed like the Academy was looking for an acceptable "Non-Avatar" movie to push through, and it's too bad they picked the wrong one. IB is the superior movie.
KHarvey16 said:Then I'm not the one with the unorthodox opinions .
Doesnt mean hes a bad villainteiresias said:The only instance of lowest common denominator here is trying to drag down the category of "Film's Best Villains" in order to include the likes of Lang in Avatar. Absolutely horrible to try and sell that as anything close to the memorable characters and performances that belong in such a category.
BowieZ said:
harSon said:Well, Tarantino is much better at creating characters than Cameron so it's not all that surprising.
But his mech jumped out of a spaceship.Amir0x said:Naturally. But Stephen Lang's villain (Quaritch?) doesn't even begin to make sense in the category of "best villain." He has no unique personality, no driving motivation or memorable dialogue. No dark cloak cast over the characters with his foreboding. He is, at his absolute best, a stereotype built into a plot point, a road block for the main character to reach his ultimate prize.
I'm not even sure what people are latching onto when they defend Stephen Lang's Quaritch. It's not even particularly his fault... the character was just that poorly written.
When Landa appeared in the restaurant I heard a few Holy Shits around me in the cinema. So tense. And such an amazing buildup. IMO this scene is better than opening first time you watch the movie.Amir0x said:yeah. So was the scene in the restaurant with Shoshana's character. SO INTENSE.
Dirtbag said:Wedding Crashers
Knocked Up
Meet the Fockers
American Pie
Meet the Parents
Shaun of the Dead
Old School
Superbad
Harold/Kumar White Castle
40 year old virgin
Zoolander
Office Space
Austin Powers 2
Finding Nemo
The Incredibles
Mgoblue201 said:Out of all of the Oscars, I actually thought that best original screenplay was the most unexpected. A lot of Inglourious Basterds was the acting, but a lot of that was also on the page. But The Hurt Locker owes a lot of its existence to things like directing, which it also won for. It's not something that's apparently great with the screenplay. So I would have voted for IB.
Amir0x said:Naturally. But Stephen Lang's villain (Quaritch?) doesn't even begin to make sense in the category of "best villain." He has no unique personality, no driving motivation or memorable dialogue. No dark cloak cast over the characters with his foreboding. He is, at his absolute best, a stereotype built into a plot point, a road block for the main character to reach his ultimate prize.
I'm not even sure what people are latching onto when they defend Stephen Lang's Quaritch. It's not even particularly his fault... the character was just that poorly written.
There are a lot of other things about AVATAR I can at least understand on a superficial level. This point is beyond me however.
BowieZ said:The best part of the Star Wars trilogy score right here, IMHO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH3KUPM1EBU#t=6m11s
noisome07 said:I'm sure you guys forgot about it already but check out Logorama! It's great
Ninja Scooter said:People are actually praising the villian from Avatar? :lol That guy was like all the Army general stereotypes dating back to Full Metal Jacket thrown into a blender and given a character design by Rob Leifeld.
Amir0x said:Naturally. But Stephen Lang's villain (Quaritch?) doesn't even begin to make sense in the category of "best villain." He has no unique personality, no driving motivation or memorable dialogue. No dark cloak cast over the characters with his foreboding. He is, at his absolute best, a stereotype built into a plot point, a road block for the main character to reach his ultimate prize.
I'm not even sure what people are latching onto when they defend Stephen Lang's Quaritch. It's not even particularly his fault... the character was just that poorly written.
There are a lot of other things about AVATAR I can at least understand on a superficial level. This point is beyond me however.
Staccat0 said:People need to quit talking like this. Its fucking embarrassing.
Inglorious Basterds had a lot of weaknesses too. All the films did.
Tarantino deserves to lose for giving such a cool role to fucking ELI ROTH.
ELI ROTH!?
What a waste.
Dead said:Doesnt mean hes a bad villain
He has great charisma, is a staunch badass, and his dialogue while cheesy, perfectly fits the character and you can fully believe that that is how he talks, and his past pretty much tells you exactly what sort of man he is. He may not be the best of all time, but he was definitely memorable and a villain that you loved to hate, and cheer for at the same time.
Also, thats the difference between Cameron and a lot of other writers. His characters may all have cheesy dialogue, but his characters sell it, and it never feels out of place.
CassSept said:When Landa appeared in the restaurant I heard a few Holy Shits around me in the cinema. So tense. And such an amazing buildup. IMO this scene is better than opening first time you watch the movie.
Basement scene is also incredible.
And Landa speaking italian is a stuff of legends already. In the first three months after release I've heard it quoted over and over again everywhere, by everyone.
OneEightZero said:New Iron Man 2 trailer on Kimmel. ^_^
Socreges said:Academy Award winner Sandra Bullock
really...? this will never sit well with me
i dont know why i dislike her, but.... i just do
i havent even seen the blind side. still, i cant accept this.
So be it... JEDI!teiresias said:Oh HELL YES!!! And that scene and that fight has far more resonance, mood, and power than the protracted Anakin/Kenobi battle at the end of the new trilogy despite its comparative lack of glitz and special effects. It's just freaking unreal how mediocre the new trilogy was, bleh!!
Amir0x said:Seriously, and this is not a dig at AVATAR, but people really need to learn the art of creating tension with dialogue. People rely so much on CG and explosions that they often forget that the best action of all can take place in a glance between two characters who at once know the others secrets.
I was more on my edge of my seat during the conversations with Christoph Waltz's character in Inglourious Basterds than I was during any big action flick of the year.
Amir0x said:Seriously, and this is not a dig at AVATAR, but people really need to learn the art of creating tension with dialogue. People rely so much on CG and explosions that they often forget that the best action of all can take place in a glance between two characters who at once know the others secrets.
I was more on my edge of my seat during the conversations with Christoph Waltz's character in Inglourious Basterds than I was during any big action flick of the year.
noisome07 said:For the ones without TV:
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/
Scarlett is so hot. omfg
Amir0x said:Naturally. But Stephen Lang's villain (Quaritch?) doesn't even begin to make sense in the category of "best villain." He has no unique personality, no driving motivation or memorable dialogue. No dark cloak cast over the characters with his foreboding. He is, at his absolute best, a stereotype built into a plot point, a road block for the main character to reach his ultimate prize.
I'm not even sure what people are latching onto when they defend Stephen Lang's Quaritch. It's not even particularly his fault... the character was just that poorly written.
There are a lot of other things about AVATAR I can at least understand on a superficial level. This point is beyond me however.
OneEightZero said:Excellent.
They show so little of her, though.
OneEightZero said:New Iron Man 2 trailer on Kimmel. ^_^
GLASS OF MILKAmir0x said:Seriously, and this is not a dig at AVATAR, but people really need to learn the art of creating tension with dialogue. People rely so much on CG and explosions that they often forget that the best action of all can take place in a glance between two characters who at once know the others secrets.
I was more on my edge of my seat during the conversations with Christoph Waltz's character in Inglourious Basterds than I was during any big action flick of the year.
Whoa whoa whoa. She was in a movie about a poor black kid. Who else would you give it toAmir0x said:I play to my own crowd. I've said this exact argument word-for-word in THE AVATAR thread when everyone left was just giving the film a handjob, even about Stephen Lang's character. The idea that these performances and these poorly written characters deserve nominations is just absurd, and I'll submit the opinion anytime, any place. No crowd required.
Of course, then again, Sandra Bullock won an Academy Award. So sometimes absurd things happen.
Christoph Waltz by itself embodies a villain that is worth the sum total of five billion Stephan Lang's.
noisome07 said:For the ones without TV:
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/
Scarlett is so hot. omfg