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The 2011 NCAA MBB Tournament - GAF Bracket Challenge
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vas_a_morir
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NCAAB has a tourney, but why is it that the same 8 teams seem to always win the championship? College Football seems to have way more diversity of champions. I don't know if that is true or not, but it certainly SEEMS that way.
Like, Yeah, Butler or VCU could win, but if they don't, it's either Kentucky or Uconn.. Same ol teams.
Like, Yeah, Butler or VCU could win, but if they don't, it's either Kentucky or Uconn.. Same ol teams.
vas_a_morir said:
Your past NCAA FB champions
Auburn
Alabama
Florida
LSU
Florida
Texas
USC
USC/LSU
TOSU
Miami
Oklahoma
All perennial top 10 teams with a history of success
Your past 10 NCAA BB Champions
Duke
UNC
KU
UF
UF
UNC
UConn
Syracuse
Maryland
Duke
All perennial top 10 teams with a history of success
What the fuck was your point again?
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
i think he was pointing out your mastery of civil discussion.
Nerevar said:
Why not just root for Butler or VCU? I really hope Butler wins. It won't bother me if UK wins especially if it stays on the up and up, I just don't have a lot of hate for them. I think Calhoun is a great coach and a despicable smarmy person (yes I know everyon feels the same about K) and I just don't like UConn so they're the only team I don't want to win. Kemba seems like a good kid so it won't be a complete waste if they do.
Hasphat'sAnts
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truly101 said:
Yeah I'm rooting for Butler. Glad they didn't win last year (goes without saying), but they were just so damn close. Inches.
lulz, Marshall rejects Rivers at the end. Fun game, Rivers was what I expected, pretty much ditto from Marshall Plumlee though he had some nice plays. Quinn Cook is a godsend. Its nice to see that we're getting a PG with some good talent. He may not be Irving, but we may keep him longer than 11 games as well
vas_a_morir
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truly101 said:
Very mature. My point was that despite the seemingly random nature of the tourney, where we often praise these "cinderella stories," the "blue-bloods" seem to win with greater frequency than in the BCS, which is both surprising and interesting. While Kansas, Duke, UNC, and potentially Kentucky will be the most recent champions, teams like Notre Dame, Oklahoma, and Michigan have not seen comparable success in at least a decade. Furthermore, I said that "it seems," which is a personal statement that in no way argues factual accuracy of my opinion. "Chicago seems bigger than LA." Some might say that. But, I'm not going to go throw down an encyclopedia at somebody and say "What the fuck was your point again?" On the other hand, I'm not a total-wiener.
vas_a_morir said:
I'm only 25% wiener. I think the main difference here is that a team like VCU and Butler has more than a theorhetical chance to win the NCAA championship, at this point its two games and if they win thats all they have to do. Not so for "cinderella" teams like Utah, Boise St, TCU, they will not get the opportunity if they lose one game in the regular season, they are out of the conversation.
Duke, UNC, UK, KU etc, are no different than Bama, TOSU, Texas, UF in football. They get the best talent in their respective sports, they play in the high power conferences, they get the media attention, the odds will shake out more often than not that these are the schools that will play for the title.
Sorry for the "fuck" in my response, but its not the first time that somebody had called out the NCAA tourney for determining a champion in comparison to the CFB BCS method and I take a bit of umbrage with that. Both have their flaws, the tourney can be too random and sometimes the absolute best team doesn't win. The BCS system ignores that a team that takes a loss or 2 in September or October can improve to contender status by November or bowl season. Bama had 3 loses last year but they certainly had the ability to beat Auburn or even Oregon. The worst that happens to Duke for blowing a regular season game is they may get a lower seed or they may be sent to a different bracket. The both are what they are, but the mid majors time is coming faster in basketball than it is in football simply because the elite talent in CFB has to stay longer.
EDIT: I also don't know the last CFB Champion that wouldn't be considered a "blue blood" or traditional power. The current system certain favors them more than the NCAA tourney.
My roommate went to the past two VCU games in San Antonio this past weekend, and now he's headed to Houston in the morning for the next few games. I'm definitely pumped up, everyone on campus is buzzing about it, this is the most spirited I've ever seen this school... it's a large campus, but I can seriously feel the school spirit as I walk around just seeing black and yellow everywhere. Can't wait for Saturday!
Outdoor Miner
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Another B10 coach on the carousel rumor mill. This time our very own Bruce Weber! Oklahoma are in talks with him and apparently there is mutual interest.
Agent Icebeezy
Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
Some people are looking into compensating athletes.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/coll...caa-pay-for-play-final-four_N.htm?csp=usat.me
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/coll...caa-pay-for-play-final-four_N.htm?csp=usat.me
kkaabboomm
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final four tickets in hand! and they look sweet, too. they come in a little folio thing...man they are nice. i'll be in section 107 (midcourt) about 25 rows off the court. my sign will say ELOY VARGAS as usual. part of me hopes im opposite the cameras/behind the bench, so ill be on tv more, but part of me hopes to be 'under' the camera and opposite the bench, so that while Eloy sits on the bench, he can see my sign and smile. staying at the team hotel (the hilton) and....yeah! my flight lands at 8:30am tomorrow morning.
FINAL FOUR HERE I COME!!!!!!!!!
FINAL FOUR HERE I COME!!!!!!!!!
vas_a_morir
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jjasper said:
What did Coach Cal do at Umass and Memphis? I'm not up on the college basketball scandal scene. A lot of people call him a cheater on this board.
bucknuticus
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vas_a_morir said:
Questionable recruiting things, thats why both his previous final fours he has been have been vacated.
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebas...-staffer-Bilal-Batley-broke-NCAA-rules-040111
This ought to be enough to put UK on probation yet again.
This ought to be enough to put UK on probation yet again.
vas_a_morir
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bucknuticus said:
What did he do? Did he pay recruits?
Yea man , he had a great press conference and is bringing a lot to the plate... We shall see what he does with this opportunity. I may help land some players for him, I just can't wait to see what type of offense he brings to the school. He had a pretty bad past at UNC with alcohol and charge for hitting his girlfriend on campus there so I am sure he felt the backlash from that.truly101 said:
Also Danny and Bobby Hurley coach Wagner which is in the same conference, so that should make for some great match ups this season
PotatoeMasher
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thefro said:
Bullshit. This is old news. Secondary violations reported to the NCAA long ago. Fox just dragging it up to get hits this weekend.
PotatoeMasher said:
Read it again, the phone calls to recruits are new... the only thing UK reported was the staffer working out with the player. This guy made who knows how many phone calls to Cousins.
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebas...-staffer-Bilal-Batley-broke-NCAA-rules-040111
goldenticket
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being reported lon kruger to leave unlv to be the next coach at oklahoma
PotatoeMasher
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https://twitter.com/kysportsradio/status/53956466629029888thefro said:
"Last thing on Goodman article. The phone calls are new to the public but aren't new to UK or the NCAA. Don't sweat it and focus on game."
vas_a_morir said:
Cal did nothing at Umass and Memphis. He was completely exonerated by the NCAA in both cases. The schools had to be penalized though and their final fours had to be vacated.
At UMass, one of Calipari's players took money from a sports agent. Calipari is the one who actually reported it to the NCAA when he found out about it.
At Memphis, the NCAA determined that Derrick Rose's SAT score was invalid. The problem is that Memphis played him the entire year and they made the Championship game. The NCAA invalidated Rose's SAT after the season was over, which meant he was ineligible to be playing and competing in all of those games, so Memphis had to vacate the entire season. The Calipari haters seem to have this wild idea that Cal somehow was involved with Rose cheating on his SAT to get into Memphis, but there's never been one shred of evidence pointing to this and in fact, what gets left out in the media is that Rose was not even a Calipari commitment when he took his SAT. What stinks for Memphis in this case is that the NCAA gave the school a heads up before the season that there was a problem with his SAT, but they gave Memphis the OK to go ahead and let him play anyway. Any other school and head coach in America would have done the same thing that Calipari did.
Goodman edited his article. Both Kentucky and the NCAA gave him a no comment on whether the phone calls had been reported so you don't know one way or another whether this is old news or not. I'm guessing that it was in fact reported to the NCAA because this guy was fired 2 months after he got to UK. They aren't going to fire a guy for simply bouncing a basketball to a recruit in a gym somewhere. They may reprimand him and report the violation to the NCAA, but he wouldn't get fired unless more serious allegations were uncovered at the time.
vas_a_morir
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I've noticed that the NCAA is usually rather forgiving when violations are self-reported, for obvious reasons.
PotatoeMasher
Member
From what I've heard, the compliance staff is crossing every t and dotting every i with Calipari. There are enough reporters trying to dig up dirt that the slightest misstep will be made into a big deal. For that reason I'm not worried.vas_a_morir said:
vas_a_morir
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PotatoeMasher said:
It's like hoping for a pass interference when your team drops the ball. lolz
Enough about Cal, already. He cheats. So what? If you're reading this post and you think that the coach of your team does not cheat, I've got some bad news for you. College basketball, and football, for that matter, is not about "Who cheats?" it's about "Who gets caught?".
GodfatherX
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lol KSR and Matt Jones, the biggest homers of all homers in the nation, seriously if anyone thinks their local sports writers are worse I dare you to comparePotatoeMasher said:
also to reiterate Six probations and 211 violations..and counting
Elfforkusu
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What makes you feel this way?Outdoor Miner said:
Painter started at Purdue a year after Weber started at Illinois. Over the last 5 years, here are the numbers.
NCAA tournament wins:
Illinois: 1
Purdue: 7 (in the round of 32 every single year. What a concept!)
S16 appearances:
Illinois: 0
Purdue: 2
Let's also consider where the two programs were when each coach took over. The Illini were a perennial S16 team, contending for the B10 title every year. Purdue was middle of the pack.
So, uh, why the fuck would you consider Weber a better coach than Painter?
Anyway, in closing, I wish those Weber to Oklahoma rumors had any chance of being true.
This clearly isn't true. I can guarantee you that Illinois isn't paying players to come play for us. (every time we even think about it the NCAA puts us on double-secret probation) We were still pretty damn good in the early 00s. Michigan State is probably squeaky clean too.chuckddd said:
There are a number of clean programs. That some are dirty as hell doesn't somehow make it okay or acceptable.
Shin Dynamo X
Banned
I think VCU can beat Butler, but it will be their hardest since FSU. If they get to the championship and win it (even I doubt this sadly), they would go down as the greatest Cinderalla team/story of all time. People would forget George Mason's run (this supercedes that). Even Shaka Smart's grandfather dying and his wife being with child is making this into a real life Hollywood script.
Win or lose, they already made their mark and are Final 4 region champs. People know who they are, mostly thanks to ESPN fueling their 3 point rage.
Win or lose, they already made their mark and are Final 4 region champs. People know who they are, mostly thanks to ESPN fueling their 3 point rage.
Shin Dynamo X
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DarkWish said:
That was always my biggest concern about VCU. WHen I left, there was always a lack of school spirit. After the Thursday night parties in the Student Commons, many folks would go home on the weekends and return that Sunday night. It was a semi-commuter school due to being in Richmond, but that was dying down by the time I graduated.
VCU will have to inflate their academic requirements or else they will have a bad student:teacher ratio to keep up with these upcoming freshman bandwagoners!
Don't know how true this is, but one of my friends claims Joey Rodriguez is going to become a father as well. I have no way of verifying that though. But yea, all of this does make a great story.Shin Dynamo X said:
I've always seen people be spirited at VCU, but it was more like "yea, VCU is a fun place to be, it's cool"... and now it's "OMG GO RAMS! VCU!!! BLACK AND YELLOW!!!" like all over the place. Buses and buildings have signs that say "Go VCU!" Apparently the Dominion Power building had massive lights set up so it spells out "Let's go VCU!" or something like that on the building. The King's Dominion amusement park put up something on their sign. It's everywhere, and it's electrifying. Just seeing black and yellow everywhere and people just excited for where our school is at and the potential to go further is amazing.Shin Dynamo X said:
I'm a part of a student organization at VCU called the Intercultural Festival and we went around the city to put up flyers. I happened to be wearing a VCU shirt and half the places I went to were like "VCU! Good luck! Sure you can put up a poster". Everyone is in on the spirit, it's the whole city and even people all over the state and country from what I've heard. I even walked into one or two stores when putting up flyers and saw ESPN doing a news story on VCU and they showed our campus and it was just awesome seeing that. There are actually quite a bit of people that don't know what VCU is, especially even in Virginia (heck, I had no clue what VCU was until I started applying to schools and I live in Northern VA). So now, it's great for our school to receive such recognition.
Haha I've rambled on long enough. I'll post more WHEN we win against Butler. I like to think positive, and I've been that way all season. Look where we are now.
kkaabboomm
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bump for the FINAL FOUR!! headed to the airport. dear god im excited.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
chuckddd said:
I wish!
Outdoor Miner
Member
Elfforkusu said:
Painter milked the Hummel, Johnson, and Moore class dry and all he got out of it were 2 Sweet 16 runs and an embarrassing 2nd round defeat to VCU this year. His meal ticket is gone, his recruiting the past few years has been pretty shit and the program is trending down big time now that Indiana has fixed their crap. He knows it too and its why he went and flirted with Mizzou and got himself an extension and payraise this year, kind of a now-or-never deal.
As for us, we will have 9 Top 100 players (might be 10, Egwu is really coming into his own) on our roster next year all of them hungry and ready to change the culture and attitude of Illini basketball. In a sense, we are going to get our swagger back. You don't realize how much our mediocre Senior class tied down this program. For the future we are in GREAT shape with some lottery pick type talent in the 2013 and 2014 classes. Can Painter say the same?
I don't see Purdue finishing ahead of Illinois in the next decade. They are entering a period just like the one we are wrapping up where several years of poor recruiting cost us.
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