Is this guy really in the same movie that parodied a movie he was in?
EDIT: Get that fuck out of here, it was his brother.
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EDIT: Get that fuck out of here, it was his brother.
She's good and cute. Not many female twitch streamers i watch other than Keiko.
BLOPS3 any good for those that played the beta? Haven't played COD since BLOPS1 .
Gordon Shumway
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Watching it now. Not my thing..looks alright. Was gonna ask if some of y'all wanna jump on, since it's open to everyone..
I presume we can make parties?
Was ok with the modern stuff usually liked old stuff but all these future ones they've been doing haven't clicked.
I didn't know it was open to everyone so i'll check it out.
Yeah she is cute with her mannerisms. She's good with the sticks too which is nice. Half British and half checkslovakia. Wrong spelling probably. Anyway, the game is interesting to me but I still want a better COD4.
Face it Tiger..
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He should write more tough stuff often.
I know we want her to stream every sec but she is just a human. It cannot be helped. It just can't. She will play with her twins after rest
Just want another BO1. Enjoyed it alot
lol, Christine bodied that thread and told them to have their parents call her if they have questions on why their kid was kicked out of school.
collected so many scalps she don't really know which is which.
i thought her and sheryl underwood was the same person
MHWilliams
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That is an excellent post and something I feel Pete has a blind spot for. Jeremy may go hard, but the issue is a real one some people would just rather not engage with.
I say that as a long time anime fan and a fan of other pastimes that diverge from the mainstream. I'm avid watcher of Kamen Rider for example, which is and always will be, a children's show. That someone thinks this is odd is not really a problem. I enjoy for various reasons, but you'd be absolutely right to call me out for enjoying a juvenile kids show every week.
Hell, I agreed when Simon Pegg talked about the "infantilization" of popular culture. (Or his lengthier explanation of those comments.) And that's entertainment that I very much enjoy.
My fellow bi-dialectigans, question for you guys.
When you are the only black guy in a public setting, like in some kind of meeting, party, or class for example, do you find it hard to be completely yourself, and sometimes tend to code switch without actually trying? For example, I said "swagged out", and some white girl thought it was the most "cool and black thing ever", from the way she laughed I could tell she was getting a little giddy just from being around a black guy for once.
The mentally of a lot of people is, there's a black guy in the room I hope he does the funny things that Chris Tucker did in Rush Hour.
When you are the only black guy in a public setting, like in some kind of meeting, party, or class for example, do you find it hard to be completely yourself, and sometimes tend to code switch without actually trying? For example, I said "swagged out", and some white girl thought it was the most "cool and black thing ever", from the way she laughed I could tell she was getting a little giddy just from being around a black guy for once.
The mentally of a lot of people is, there's a black guy in the room I hope he does the funny things that Chris Tucker did in Rush Hour.
MHWilliams
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It's a general life thing. As I've mentioned on our podcast, everything I do is measured and considered because there aren't many black games journalists out there. So there's this feeling of weight and not screwing it up. Even though that's really not the case.
I code switch at home, I code switch when I'm visiting family in NC. Everyone does it.
Not really. Who I am behind closed doors is who I am in real life. However, it can be frustrating when it comes down to a irresistible urge to use slang when you are too comfortable. One time I blurred out a Philly term "Jawn" and dudes were like....
Professor Beef
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My pattern of speech just automatically switches depending on who I'm around. It's actually pretty difficult for me to deliberately "code switch." It's like American immigrants who tell me they can only speak their parents' native language when around family members.
Sometimes people get disappointed at this. Actually it happened through basically all of high school.
Same. Happens automatically without noticing. The native tongue thing too with the parents.
Gordon Shumway
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Chameleon..all about the situation.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Switching is pretty much automatic for me now too
Shiiit..probably rated PG13. Who would play Jackson? Bill Duke? Can we have Billy's son make a cameo? Who we want playing Vanity's role? Damn..
It can't be done..
Horrific trigger discipline.
NipplesAndToes23
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No I don't.
MikeBreezy92
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He's Action Jackson...he doesn't need trigger discipline.
that gun won't shoot till he tells it.
codeswitching? what about eternally shook brothers. Brothers who are so internally banged up by racism and its bullshit that any white dude looks them in the eye, or asks them to do something, they flinch. They don't even do it on purpose, they're just afraid for their career, or just trying to be polite, or trying to be on the good side, but what it boils down to is they treat certain people much differently than others. All of a sudden, that niceness that you didn't even know ole bitter dude had comes out.
Its not like Uncle Ruckus, but like stockholm syndrome and black-PTSD and just being tired and beaten down, but the dude is in middle management or office administration.
codeswitching? what about eternally shook brothers. Brothers who are so internally banged up by racism and its bullshit that any white dude looks them in the eye, or asks them to do something, they flinch. They don't even do it on purpose, they're just afraid for their career, or just trying to be polite, or trying to be on the good side, but what it boils down to is they treat certain people much differently than others. All of a sudden, that niceness that you didn't even know ole bitter dude had comes out.
Its not like Uncle Ruckus, but like stockholm syndrome and black-PTSD and just being tired and beaten down, but the dude is in middle management or office administration.
Gordon Shumway
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Like you wouldn't be sitting there ready to shoot..lying ass! Jackson got that control..
MikeBreezy92
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So probably Don Lemon?
That thread had my head spinning because there are so many different people arguing for so many different things and in so many different ways. Good points on all sides are lost in a sea of fist fighting. I don't think most people really have a problem if someone says "that thing you like is offensive to me". I think though its pretty obvious to me that some people, per their word choice if nothing else, take it beyond "thing you like is offensive to me" to "thing you like is offensive to me, I wish it would stop being made all together and I will assign strong negative labels to you if you enjoy it". When that happens, people get naturally defensive, tempers flare and matters escalate
I'm also of two ways because these topics all come up over some niche game that I literally never would have heard of if it weren't for someone on some Game Website or NeoGaf saying how upset they were that it exists. I understand the value of critiquing media (I think we've seen a number of recent improvements in representation that have come directly from these critiques) but at the end of the day we are yelling about products not made for you or me but a small group of people across the ocean who can't hear or even understand your voices. It feels like being a Vegetarian, walking into a Steakhouse and complaining why all they sell is steak. Like when I see a game of that sort I usually just roll my eyes and move on with my day. I can't even bother getting mad most of the time, I just don't care. I wasn't going to buy that game anyway and yelling about it online feels more like patting oneself on the back (see how moral I am!) rather than sending any message. At the same time, as I've already said, we've seen first hand the power of media critique. People absolutely should speak up when something bothers them. Hell, we know for a fact that some of our conversations about representation have reached the ears of the Far East for example. I just feel its hard to see what it accomplishes in this circumstance with these sorts of games that just not buying the game would do better.
The point Parish brings up about "why don't they just go all the way" confuses me. Like clearly, if censorship and rating laws on both sides of the Pacific were more lax we would get sex being more in the open in a lot of games. However, at the end of the day, many people prefer to consume material that pushes the line rather than cross over it. I feel there is a reason we have different words for softcore and hardcore porn or I guess in this case ecchi vs. hentai. Not everybody who likes the former want the later so it seems weird to think or imply all/most/many would cross the line if they could.
The "they took ur games" narrative I've seen expressed feels off because these sorts of games don't enjoy any mainstream attention even amongst the Japanese nor do they represent the majority of the output. These games aren't there because Japan overall is becoming more perverted but rather they are the small mammamls or insects that survived after the asteroid (the economy and the inability of the Japanese game industry to get up to speed with game engine creation and sharing) wiped out the Dinosaurs (many mid-tier series). I can understand how these elements moving into mid-tier series that persist may bother some people but at some point you just get into personal preferences and tolerance levels (since rarely when these elements move into mid tier series do they ever get super egregious). The discussion often becomes incredibly cyclical. As an example I've seen way too many Fire Emblem threads, regardless what about the game we are discussing, devolve into "ugh I hate this gross shit" and "I like or I am ambivalent to this some/all of this stuff" which in itself is fine but it will quickly move up to "I'd rather this series die than have this stuff" and "OMG why are you such prudes", etc. After awhile I don't even want to read or participate in FE threads because its just the same people saying the same things and getting mad at each other. It never feels like progress is being made but at the same time I don't know what if anything can be done about that.
Tying into this point, it annoys me how much attention we lavish on these games - the way people lament "where have all the good games gone", it feels like people think these games represent a huge chunk of the gaming pie. Even with the collapse of mid-tier JP games (which seem to be rebounding with the spread of Unreal and Unity as far as I can see) these games don't at all appear to be ubiquitous, especially numerous or are they big sellers. It all feels especially selective (in part to play into the "wacky Japan" narrative?). Like, as a counterpoint in discussion, I feel the fushoji (sp?) market and products that appeal to them are never discussed outside of anime circles. Nor are visual novels (which I admit I'm relatively ignorant about) aside from the absolutely most pervy of them all. That selective discussion I think is making those sorts of games seem more prevalent than they actually are. I guess its similar to how NeoGaf routinely ignores mobile games or refuse to acknowledge that beneath the shit sea that is F2P exploitation there are good mobile games worth discussing? I will certainly admit that seeing many developers moving resources away from the console/handheld space and to the mobile space isn't something that pleases as many of the genres I love don't transition well to mobile and I haven't enjoyed many mobile games I've personally played but I certainly wouldn't want to throw all of mobile gaming into the proverbial bushes.
I guess I want to say in conclusion that I think Parish, Davidson and even that linked post with the Gangsta Rap analogy all have points I agree with and points I disagree with. I think its a conversation that should be nuanced (putting aside the actual content of some of those games) rather one where people should start by "going in hard"
I feel like I'm pulled in a lot of different directions on this topic even if my reaction to most of the games that spark this conversation is anywhere from complete disinterest/apathy to disgust or exasperation. Oh actually one final note, I'm not sure why Kamen Rider has to be called out as juvenile (that you use "called out" implies you are using "juvenile" as a pejorative rather than just a descriptor). It's for kids/all ages but so what?
Sorry in advance for the big ass reply, was going to make one earlier, but got called away.
Because i used to play with them for quite a few years, and now i don't (we had a massive falling out) it feels weird talking (and typing) how i used to.
Ahh. cool.
That's the first time i've seen that. Good for her going there and accepting it in good humour.
we need a "wtf choreography" gif collection
also featuring Arrow:
"The word being politically incorrect is a recent development" See guys it's only a recent thing, so that makes it ok. Stop making a big deal out of it. *rolls eyes*
for me, it wasn't because i was the only black guy (i'm mixed race, half-Arabic) but when i used play with the same small group of American friends every night on the 360, i had to change the way i talked because i'm from the UK, and i use a lot of street slang. they didn't have clue what i was talking about.
Because i used to play with them for quite a few years, and now i don't (we had a massive falling out) it feels weird talking (and typing) how i used to.
Kamen Rider is serious business, folks die and junk. Not as serious as Garo, cause Garo got titties.
Storm never had a good costume until her current one
Watched a couple of the Kamen Rider series(Blade,Kabuto,Decade) but didn't see it as a straight kids show. Was starting Wizard to catch up to the new ones when i got told it was butts and i could skip it to Gaim which then turned out to be about fruits. KR is weird. Kabuto i liked the most.
Garo i checked a little and it was darker.
Wizard is the JC of Kamen Rider shows, flashes of brilliance, but at the end an eternal shame.
Gaim pays off big if you stick with it. Shit was just not right(in a great way)
Yeah Wizard looked cool with the coat and the colors but hearing not great stuff about.
Gaim i will check out see what this whole fruit business is about and people seem to like it too. Drive is after and that's a complete mystery to me.
Drive is average, not great but not bad. Having interesting villains and a great supporting cast helps a lot. You can look past a lot of shit if the cast and/or villains are on point. Wizard couldn't do that.
Seems like i saved alot of time skipping Wizard. I'll bail if Drive doesn't manage to keep me interested. I am usually for the villains/bad guys always so good ones boost my attention.
MHWilliams
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I guess I want to say in conclusion that I think Parish, Davidson and even that linked post with the Gangsta Rap analogy all have points I agree with and points I disagree with. I think its a conversation that should be nuanced (putting aside the actual content of some of those games) rather one where people should start by "going in hard"
Oh actually one final note, I'm not sure why Kamen Rider has to be called out as juvenile (that you use "called out" implies you are using "juvenile" as a pejorative rather than just a descriptor). It's for kids/all ages but so what?
Why does it matter if a show intended for children is called juvenile? Again, see it elicits a reaction, but why? Because someone is an adult and they don't want to think that about the content they consume. Instead of acknowledging what it is and preceding on, there's an attempt to change or ignore the reality of the content.
Kamen Rider is a show create primarily to sell toys. It does so with great gusto. This leads to moments of juxtaposition in the current show, with serious moments where people are lamenting lost humanity or the death of a loved one, and scenes where a belt gets angry and rides off in little toy cars.
If someone says "Hey, that's a kid show, it seems pretty immature and goofy" the answer isn't "lol, you just don't see its hidden depths! Stop shaming my choices!" it's "Yeah, it certainly has its moments, but hey, you may like these parts of it." If they don't, I'm fine with that too, because yeah, they're correct in their surface judgment.
That's one point of the "rap" post. "You enjoy this, but part of the reality of it bothers you, so you ignore it or attack those who bring it up." It's a facet that is brought up within with certain fan groups without pejoratives entering the picture. You don't have to "go hard" to revive it, which is part of the reason we tend to have issues with threads about such content on GAF.
This is all before I get to the substantive part of the argument, where A) certain content choices brought on by market forces slowly push certain genres into a niche when they could reach wide audiences (addressed in my last post) and the idea that perhaps some of the titles mentioned could benefit from either further pushing the limits and fully exploring sexuality or excising it when it doesn't add to the overall product.
You can skip the early part of Drive an jump in around 24-25 where it gets serious about handling its main plot. And Gaim, if you haven't watched Gaim, that's the medium at its best.
It feels like almost no one in that thread has seen any of The Queens of Comedy.
All these toys are cool but what about like the Kabuto beetle that flies to you?
You can skip the early part of Drive an jump in around 24-25 where it gets serious about handling its main plot. And Gaim, if you haven't watched Gaim, that's the medium at its best.
The others are just random toys that don't do much but i would want the beetle/bugs moving towards either flying or crawling.
Dang Gaim getting serious praise. If Drive gets good in the middle i don't mind started from ep 1. I will atleast know where to jump to if it is too butts.
Ah ok, I better understand your point and why you added that line. Yes I can agree that some absolutely become needlessly defensive when critique is brought against the things they enjoy. They sometimes also lack self-awareness about the products they consume. I just also think that the nature of the critique doesn't always remain solely inquisitive but can also be very judgmental as well. You can insult someone all you like and sometimes that's earned but if they respond in kind or even just get defensive, that's not them overacting.
The issue here is that its not the introduction of this content that is making those genres niche but rather they already became niche because the mainstream left or game development became too costly. It's a symptom not a cause. Omega whatever isn't holding Vita rogue-like games back, its just a developer trying to make ends meat in the desert.Then you have circumstances where it can be correlated (though a causative link may be hard to establish) with a widening of audience. Fire Emblem, after Awakening and Fates, is MORE popular than its ever been. Again, its going to hard to single out the romance or fanservice elements as the defacto cause but its going to be hard to tell Nintendo to cut that out when they see their sales (of both the game and related merchandise) go up.
I certainly agree that interesting avenues would be opened up if games could better explore sexuality and still actually be sold anywhere, I'm just not convinced the people who are making or buying Omega whatever are interested in exploring those avenues.
MHWilliams
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For the post-Decade shows, I'd probably go Gaim > W > Fourze > OOO > Drive >>>>>>> Wizard
Yep, I acknowledge the bolded is part of the situation as the Neojaponisme article we keep seeing brings up. And I agree that D3 may not be interested in exploring other avenues. Still Omega is the inciting incident for the article, not the overwhelming focus.
Kamen Rider Beast was the only real nigga on the whole damn show. He kept it real when he got the worse powerup ever
Tassels? GTFO
The Faceless Master
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i was talking with a coworker who is going on a cruise next week and he said he had to try conch fritters again and i started talking about stuff he needed to try and he was like "whoa!!!! i never heard your accent before! is it because you're talking about Caribbean food?"
i was like "yeah."
he was legit shook i had an accent that he never heard for years.
That coat and was cool.
Watching Gaim now and no one told me there were dance battles!
So tight.
The Faceless Master
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i still remember one day like 15 years ago when a friend said 'caucasian shirt' for some reason. honestly, i don't even remember the reason. 15 years later, that moment is still brought up.
Dang. I don't even want to think about all the other races and how they could be used as colors. Glad that it is not spread wide at all.
Emperor_EL
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Having Kamen Rider Meteor Storm's color scheme didn't help things either.
I miss Fourze, Kouta and his "This is how and why my boy Genta is going to fuck your shit up" prefight speeches were the best. And Leo was just so disrespectful, he did not sell shit until the end.
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