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The Black Culture Thread |OT13| Kimba is the New Blacked

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Kreed

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Moral Panic said:
I don't think it's pretending. That's the point I was trying to make. I thought the entire idea was that we weren't supposed to be making judgements on real vs fake? That if you see something in a dressing room then you don't assume that they are faking or get into a panic about what they are doing there. If the only dividing lines between the two is that one is considered completely and utterly "impossible" then fair enough, I can understand that. But I think that is a very shallow point tbh. A for me, I will try to treat people with a degree of respect even if I understand them or the way they are living.

Edit: If I've messed up badly pm me.
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And this is exactly where you and millions of other people have things messed up. This isn't about "not making judgements on real vs fake", and it falls right into what I mean by pretend. You don't believe and/or understand that transgender people are real people and because of this, you are lumping them into the same group as "pretend" things. It's like trying to explain germs to someone who can only understand the things visible to their eyes. Germs may as well be fairies and unicorns to you. Rachel Dolezal, this cat woman, they are the fairies and unicorns of this discussion. There's is no such thing as trans-racial or trans-animal people. But you and many others continue to compare transgender people with them because you've put them all into this nice "let them be who they are" bucket in order to avoid confrontation and jump onto the bandwagon of people who actually do understand transgender people because you are just worried about being on the "right side", which creates disrespectful discussions and confusion over fake and real things. It's like a topic about a man wanting to be a Wookie and going "Hey, we should respect Wookie people just like we respect Indian and Vietnamese people". See how ridiculous/disrespectful that shit sounds? But this is clearly obvious to you because you know Indian and Vietnamese people are real and Wookies are fictional characters. Once you put transgender people in the same REAL realm as Indian/Vietnamese people by actually understanding they are real through education and not because "I want to be a good guy, yay me!", you won't have this problem anymore.
 
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Village

Member
Malyse said:
Fans != fandom.
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Fandom is the is the whole, fans are a part of that whole, and like most things. As percentages goes, somethings will attract people who you aren't fond of. You can choose to avoid those people.

Blaming the whole for the sum is like never good ever.

I know its hard, and hard things aren't fun, but much like reality, you have have to take things case by case and go by people. Rather than writing off whole things. Except obvious things, like... racism, and being a nazi, you can write those off. No one is, no one uh, gonna blame you for that one. No one outside of Pol is taking a hardline pro nazi stance.

excelsiorlef said:
Fans are not fandom.
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Fandom is the whole

No matter what you like, if you enjoy it, if you are a fan. No matter how deep you are in that pool, you are in the pool. The hypothetical fandom pool, as it were. The sooner you come to that reality, the easier it will be to brush off weirdos.

You are apart of many fandoms, and if you making something of note one day , you might have one. Come to peace with this now.
 
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Bowlie

Banned
I once met a person who said she was the daughter of a fallen angel, and that was why she had a cute, acute voice (she was 20ish at the time).

Don't think that was true, but hey
 
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Slayven

Member
Bowlie said:
I once met a person who said she was the daughter of a fallen angel, and that was why she had a cute, acute voice (she was 20ish at the time).

Don't think that was true, but hey
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Slayven said:
Are you hurting yourself? No

Are you hurting anyone? No

Are any laws being broken? No

Do I have to pay straight out of my pocket? No


Then do you all day long
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excelsiorlef said:
No idea. It was funny because I never even called the guy transphobic, just that he was using the terms used by anti-trans folk
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Sometimes something that infringes on one's world view is more of an insult than a slap on the face
 
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andthebeatgoeson

Junior Member
I have always believed that one of the great benefits of considering reparations lies in their potential to expand the American political imagination. Before there could be a Republican Party, abolitionists first had to imagine emancipation. A country that could actively contemplate atoning for plunder, by devoting significant resources to compensating its victims, would be a very different nation than one we live in now. You don’t get to that different country by waiting to talk about it.

And in this sense the conversation ends right where it began: Liberals and radicals see no problem imagining a socialist presidency. They do not demand specific details of how single-payer health care, free public-college tuition, and the break-up of big banks would make it through a Republican Congress. They are not wrong. God bless them and their radical imagination. I mean it. I just want them to imagine more. Like the movie says—You mustn’t be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/tanehisi-coates-reparations/427041/

Of course, the whole article is best.
A case for reparations.

I'm not trying to get a check. I think reparations are our best way to reconcile what actually happened. I think not admitting to the problems allows the entire country to forget and ignore. I think reparations for what happened in the 20th century would be a great place to start. I do agree that honestly approaching reparations would allow great self reflection and be a way to heal, and would open up your imagination. I'm saying this as someone who hasn't thought of reparations, in depth, ever.

But as I look at our country paying reparations for shit we didn't do (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/u...ran-win-compensation-36-years-later.html?_r=0) (that's a US spending bill to give money to people held hostage by Iran), or shit we did do (interment camps), it becomes clear that reparations are the norm in modern society. You get fucked up by a government entity, you are supposed to get paid.
 
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Slayven

Member
Massive Duck said:
Try not to pull too many outside threads in, it tends to get messy...
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