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The Black Culture Thread |OT2|
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I always go by that notion as well...but I feel it's getting to the point I shouldn't even have to be like that just to end a stereotype.
Bay Maximus
Banned
Ideally I would ask for a different server, but I'd be afraid of the old server leaving their stamp on my cuisine.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Yea that's another reason why I never make a scene at a restaurant. Never want to give them a reason to fuck with my food...
I'll take an L if it means I'm advancing black excellence, but I won't tolerate my food getting fucked with
I'll take an L if it means I'm advancing black excellence, but I won't tolerate my food getting fucked with
Devolution
Member
Dreams-Visions
Member
I guess they do things differently in Trinidad.
You shouldn't have a left a tip and stared her dead in the and said in a James Earl Jones like voice "Damn right I am Canadian".
Unless you actually say something, its a pointless gesture.
She didn't deserve that money. If you're going to do anything, give her 10 bucks then melt her face when she reaches for it. It should be the most painful 10 bucks she ever puts in her pocket.
The Faceless Master
Member
Giving her the tip will just encourage her to continue to be shit. She'll just think that even with shitty, rushed, inattentive service, she can still get a few Monday tips while keeping it moving for her REAL customers. It might have made a difference (probably not) if you said something, or left a note, but just the raw tip won't help.
MWS Natural
Member
In these cases (there have been several I can think of) I give a 15% and then leave a note on the receipt stating things I believe they did poorly.
A damn mess.
Bobby and whitney 2.0.
Even then they can just ball it up, throw it away, and pocket the change.
You gotta talk to them.
Alright y'all, my mom just put me in charge of Halloween candy. Suggestions?
This came after three straight years of nothing but chocolate. She keeps masking me "what else is there?" which has sent me back reminiscing about what the best Halloween candy was back in the day, realizing that i haven't even eaten candy in about 15 years.
She'll have Tootsie Rolls, 3 Musketeers, Milky Way, and all the other chocolate bars covered but I'm trying to convince her that, y'know, other shit exists.
Warheads?
Now and Later?
Double Bubble?
Nerds?
This came after three straight years of nothing but chocolate. She keeps masking me "what else is there?" which has sent me back reminiscing about what the best Halloween candy was back in the day, realizing that i haven't even eaten candy in about 15 years.
She'll have Tootsie Rolls, 3 Musketeers, Milky Way, and all the other chocolate bars covered but I'm trying to convince her that, y'know, other shit exists.
Warheads?
Now and Later?
Double Bubble?
Nerds?
I was shocked too. They still sell them at Wal-Mart.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Here's all the non-chocolate I can remember. Some delicious shit I coveted in middle school:
Warheads, Nerds, Laffy Taffy, Starburst, Fun Dip, Smarties, Gobstoppers, Ring Pops, Mike and Ike, Jolly Ranchers, Runtz, Pop Rocks, Spree, Hubba Bubba Bubble Tape, Gummi Worms, Life Savers, PEZ, Twizzlers, Sour Patch Kids (SOUR PATCH STRAWS), those wax candies that were soda bottles that you could suck the flavor out of...
Warheads, Nerds, Laffy Taffy, Starburst, Fun Dip, Smarties, Gobstoppers, Ring Pops, Mike and Ike, Jolly Ranchers, Runtz, Pop Rocks, Spree, Hubba Bubba Bubble Tape, Gummi Worms, Life Savers, PEZ, Twizzlers, Sour Patch Kids (SOUR PATCH STRAWS), those wax candies that were soda bottles that you could suck the flavor out of...
PartTimeWarrior
Banned
MWS Natural
Member
Yeaaaaahh I'd rather not ruin my evening by have a equal rights discussion with my server.
Supermanisdead
Member
what the fuck. WHAT.
If that's the statement you want to make though, go ahead and make it. You can't just put off 10 bucks and hope that people figure it all out like its a afternoon special on Disney or something.
MWS Natural
Member
Unless the server is brain dead or unable to read English I'm sure they will understand:
"Poor attitude", "Did not refill drinks", etc
If its really that bad I will just call the manager at the restaurant when I get home that night. I've gotten a free meal or two out of doing that due to the managers usually being very apologetic.
But no I will not fall into her stereotype regardless of service; someone would have to do something really outlandish for me to not leave a tip.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
It's your money to do with as you please. But why should the burden be on you to educate a random shitty waitress? If she can't figure it out then too bad, she'll not get tipped, hopefully make less money and change attitude or profession.
If someone gives me shitty service I just don't tip. By the sound of it that's somewhat of a privilege.
If someone gives me shitty service I just don't tip. By the sound of it that's somewhat of a privilege.
I don't think "I'm not giving you a tip, and this is why >" is crossing into angry black man territory yet.
I'm all for calling a manager too. I'm just a really direct person though.
MWS Natural
Member
Not angry black man territory, more like broke ass non-tipping nigga territory.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Not much of a dilemma here. Not only would she not get a tip, but I would have spoken to her manager about it.
If I was in a really good mood, I'd confront her about it directly. I'd pleasantly ask her if she assumed I was not going to tip her, while mentioning I tip 20% with just half-way decent service which I feel I have yet to get. It'd explain to her how disappointed I have been with her service, and I'd tell her directly that she's seemed stand-off-ish or otherwise disinterested, which makes me disinclined to leave her a tip. In the end, she'd get no tip at all, which is in line with the service provided and she'd know she could have gotten much more had she not acted like an asshole. But chances are, I wouldn't be in a very good mood after something like this, so I'd be summoning the manager 9 times out of 10.
She's not entitled to a fucking dime, as it sounds like she clearly didn't earn it. There have been times where I've gone and fetched my own refill because I was tired of waiting. They got their shit together after that, but it was too late then.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Depending on how your dressed and/or how tall you are.... If you sneeze loudly you could be broaching into Angry Black Man Territory. if your in a rural area without a decent sized black population and the locals don't see you smiling you could be in Angry Black Man Territory.... the whole thing is based on ignorance so don't let that affect your actions cause your damned if you do and damned if ya don't most the time anyway.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
Every so often the woman who works near me puts on her headphones and recites bible verses and church hymns to herself. It's like working with the sniper from Saving Private Ryan
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
do you work at/or are a patient at an insane asylum. Cause everyone around you seems off. i've worked about 30 different jobs in my lifetime and outside of outright racheted/bitchass behavior never had a quirky co-worker.
Studies have found that black people do indeed tip less well in restaurant contexts, though.
The waitresses are not incorrect: black men are statistically more likely to "short" them. The question would be where this behavior comes from; an obvious explanation would be that black people get worse service, and thus tip worse.
The question, then, would be whose responsibility it is to break the negative feedback loop. If you keep getting bad service, you'll keep tipping poorly, which will insure bad service the next time you come in. We could also solve this problem by teaching people how probability works (i.e. recognition that there are other indicating factors of tipping besides skin color and/or that the waiter's behavior significantly effects outcome), but that isn't likely to happen either because the human brain is naturally terrible at probability. I presume the difficulties as described are the reason this problem has persisted for so long. It's like a tiny microcosm of race relations in the US.
The waitresses are not incorrect: black men are statistically more likely to "short" them. The question would be where this behavior comes from; an obvious explanation would be that black people get worse service, and thus tip worse.
The question, then, would be whose responsibility it is to break the negative feedback loop. If you keep getting bad service, you'll keep tipping poorly, which will insure bad service the next time you come in. We could also solve this problem by teaching people how probability works (i.e. recognition that there are other indicating factors of tipping besides skin color and/or that the waiter's behavior significantly effects outcome), but that isn't likely to happen either because the human brain is naturally terrible at probability. I presume the difficulties as described are the reason this problem has persisted for so long. It's like a tiny microcosm of race relations in the US.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
I tip based on service.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
20 percent is like, very exceptional service. I usually do about 15-18% or none for terrible service.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
Why does our disney priincess have to look like Lindsey Lohan in a wig though?
lmao, I was waiting on your comment
I would love to be a fly on the wall at your job for a day. Sounds like an hilariously awkward place.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
I was going to say. She might as well be the first disney princess [insert whatever ethnicity].
Reminds me of the 'well I'm half a quarter third part twice removed Cherokee/Hopi/Irish/Spanish/Latvian' phrase that girls love to state like it somehow makes them ethnic hip.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Buy good kid m.A.A.d city
It's got a song about peer pressure that's actually pretty subtle and dope
IN 2012
It's got a song about peer pressure that's actually pretty subtle and dope
IN 2012
These are very low percentages relative to others, I suspect. I really do think the study I provided (which is in fact an aggregate study) would be interesting to many people here. Among the interesting points:
study said:
That just evidences what I said above. Further:
study said:
So this effect cannot be exclusively attributed to poor service (although it can partially). Even when service levels are controlled for -- along with income and other variables -- black people tip significantly less on average.
study said:
So the researchers suggest that Phoenix's approach is the right one; blacks can help combat negative stereotypes about black tippers by acting on it themselves. I'm not sure if Phoenix counts as a "prominent black," however. It also has recommendations for the service staff at restaurants and hotels:
study said:
So it is not suggesting that black patrons bear the full brunt of responsbility for changing this negative feedback loop. Lastly:
study said:
I agree. Again, I feel this is an interesting microcosm of race relations in America generally.
'lo, BlackGAF.
Per the current discussion, I usually eat out alone, and I only end up spending around $5 - $12 for the meal itself. So I usually end up tipping based on a dollar amount (say, $3 - $5 if I'm eating alone) rather than a percentage, which usually ends up being significantly higher than I would do if I were going by percentage, at least when the meal is less expensive.
Per the current discussion, I usually eat out alone, and I only end up spending around $5 - $12 for the meal itself. So I usually end up tipping based on a dollar amount (say, $3 - $5 if I'm eating alone) rather than a percentage, which usually ends up being significantly higher than I would do if I were going by percentage, at least when the meal is less expensive.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
I just saw more. Dad is white as the cast of Friends, mom is brown as George Lopez...but with blue eyes....produce 3 whiter than pure snow children.
edit: they're from fictional countries? Dad is from Freezenberg and the mom from Galdiz. I'm assuming Germany and Spain.
Go full retard disney. Man from Puremerica marries a low class maid from Hardworkistan.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Even when a character is a minority,theyre white.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
Unless they're the villain...I'm still scratching my head how Disney managed to make the Indians in Pochontas the bad guys hasselling the friendly, helpful europeans.
Devolution
Member
The europeans only brought disease, guns and a superiority complex.
Horses?