The Dark Knight SPOILER THREAD
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vatstep said:
I wouldn't say that the Joker ultimately won. Batman's sacrifice led to Harvey Dent dieing as a martyr and not a murderer (as the Joker wanted).
Joker said that "when the chips are down, these civilized people will eat each other (or something like that)". But neither ferry was willing to blow up the other ferry. It showed that there is still some sanity and good in Gotham's people - the complete opposite of what the Joker wanted.
Yeah but for a while it seemed as if he was right, for example when all the civilians were trying to kill that one Wayne Enterprises guy who was going to reveal Batmans identity.woodchuck said:
I must admit, I almost wanted to see one of the ferries explode just to see the Joker win. Ledger was just that good. In some way I was rooting for both Joker and Batman.
ezekial45 said:
the question isn't if it will win best picture (that's a given). the question is if it will beat the record of 11 oscars.
Locks:
best pic
best director
best actor (bale)
best supporting actor (ledger)
best actress (maggie)
best screenplay
best editing
best cinematography
best original score
best make-up
best sound
maybe:
best supporting actress (ballerina)
I think if TDK can manage to get the best supporting actress award early on, it'll have a 100% shot of getting 12 oscars
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Lonestar said:
:lol
I think Best Supporting Actor is a lock, probably Best Cinematography. Best Director and Best Pic should be considerations. And Best Original Screenplay should be on the table. (nominations wise at least, though I cannot imagine a supporting role with as much power and force as Ledger's Joker.)
Skiptastic
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ezekial45 said:
Uh, really? I figure it would be original, seeing as how it's not based on any one specific work.
Oh, and Lonestar, you just really fucked yourself by coming in here. What are you thinking? You're getting spoiled on the best parts!
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suaveric said:
Riddler as the person leading the hunt for Batman helping deduce that he is Bruce Wayne to get rid of Batman and claim gotham as his crime empire?
Saw it tonight.
Awesome movie.
Some of my favorite scenes.
The magic trick with the pencil.
The Joker in a nurse outfit.
The Joker's one phone call.
Still like the Prologue.
The interrogation scene between Joker and Batman was one of my most anticipated scene and lived up to it.
And I liked how the climax was so tense and suspenseful. It was really different with the hostage situations.
Awesome movie.
Some of my favorite scenes.
The magic trick with the pencil.
The Joker in a nurse outfit.
The Joker's one phone call.
Still like the Prologue.
The interrogation scene between Joker and Batman was one of my most anticipated scene and lived up to it.
And I liked how the climax was so tense and suspenseful. It was really different with the hostage situations.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I've thought about who I would want as the villain for the next movie. And I want none of the other Batmanverse supervillains back because they would ruin it. They need to create their own threat within their own established universe rather than shoehorn some well-known comic villain in.
What I would like to see is a crazied-up Falcone escape from Gotham and declare an organised war on Gotham and more-so - on Batman. Batman would be hunted by all the mob families as well as the GCPD. Eventually Gotham would have to decide what is in their best interests.
What I would like to see is a crazied-up Falcone escape from Gotham and declare an organised war on Gotham and more-so - on Batman. Batman would be hunted by all the mob families as well as the GCPD. Eventually Gotham would have to decide what is in their best interests.
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Scullibundo said:
Mob hires Riddler to find out who Batman is pitting the worlds two greatest detectives against one another? Actually the mob hires the Riddler to do just this in either Dark Victory or Long Halloween. This could work. Batman has to continually try to throw the riddler off his trail.
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''You are lucky''
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''Your driver isn't''
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''Your driver isn't''
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Pedobear said:
That was definitely a "FUCKKKKK" moment :lol
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Pedobear said:
Wasn't it.
You are lucky.
*flips coin*
*starts buckling seatbelt*
'He's not'
'Who?'
'Your driver'
*BANG*
I saw the movie yesterday. It was beautiful 
An amazing film with a lot of really cool moments. I definitely need to go see it again at the cinemas.
Can I hear a big 'Holy Fuck!' at the scene where Batman busts in the door thinking he's saving rachael but instead Harvey is there. Harvey despairs and yells out "Why are you coming for me!". Rachael's reaction over the intercom when she realises she isn't going to be saved in time was very moving.
An amazing film with a lot of really cool moments. I definitely need to go see it again at the cinemas.
Can I hear a big 'Holy Fuck!' at the scene where Batman busts in the door thinking he's saving rachael but instead Harvey is there. Harvey despairs and yells out "Why are you coming for me!". Rachael's reaction over the intercom when she realises she isn't going to be saved in time was very moving.
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Aaron Eckhart deserves a nomination.
When he asks Gordon to tell him what they used to call him down at the SIU and Gordon tries to tip-toe around the question, only for Harvey to then burst out screaming 'TELL MEE!!!!!!!!!!' - that was when the tragedy of Dent really hit home. Fuck Eckhart was amazing.
I would've liked to have seen some blood leaking from Batman's suit after he was shot.
When he asks Gordon to tell him what they used to call him down at the SIU and Gordon tries to tip-toe around the question, only for Harvey to then burst out screaming 'TELL MEE!!!!!!!!!!' - that was when the tragedy of Dent really hit home. Fuck Eckhart was amazing.
I would've liked to have seen some blood leaking from Batman's suit after he was shot.
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DMczaf said:
I know I know. But even Die Hard 4 had blood smears. I guess I needed recognition that Batman was moving like he was moving because he was shot - not because he fell.
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Does anyone else get the feeling that the ending was redone, due to Heath's death? From what I understand, they were going to save Two Face for the third movie. The ending for DK doesn't exactly lend to that outcome.
I hate to say it, but I'm glad circumstances changed that they didn't go that route. I think the story works better compacted into one movie as opposed to spanning two films.
I hate to say it, but I'm glad circumstances changed that they didn't go that route. I think the story works better compacted into one movie as opposed to spanning two films.
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Scarecrow said:
I really agree with this, i'm surprised nobody else has mentioned it. The ending felt somewhat altered, or at least oddly put together.
I think they arent sure on where the next one is going so they left a lot of room for movement.
I don't. The Joker I thought would always be around as a opponent and reminder to Bruce what he cannot do. Two-Face's death I predicted due to the fact he would serve no purpose in the Nolanverse without creating a massive scheme to destroy which Harvey would have no reason to do. However they did a wonderful job with his character and stressed that he was always Harvey Dent with just a little of Two-Face.Scarecrow said:
Fix The Scientist said:
Way back when Goyer and Nolan were working on Begins, they also sketched out the possible trilogy, which originally did have Two-Face in the third movie. But that changed when they finally sat down to do the script for TDK.
Nolan did no re-shoots for this movie. Everything was finished before Heath died.
I don't know. The ending made sense.
This was more Harvey's movie then anyone else. And it ended with him. I have to say while I am disappointed to see Harvey go, his bit didn't feel shoehorned in like Venom in Spiderman 3. He wasn't evil per say just looking for revenge on those who wronged him. And dealing out justice his way.
I think it is possible for him to still be alive, I mean Batman survived.
Also reminded me of some awesome parts.
-Batman breaking Sal's legs was gruesome.
"From this height you won't kill me.
I'm hoping on it"
*Drops him*
-His departure from Hong Kong was awesome.
-The scene of the Joker's death.
-The final scene with Joker swinging upside down.
-I enjoyed the whole climax in the building with SWAT and the clowns.
This was more Harvey's movie then anyone else. And it ended with him. I have to say while I am disappointed to see Harvey go, his bit didn't feel shoehorned in like Venom in Spiderman 3. He wasn't evil per say just looking for revenge on those who wronged him. And dealing out justice his way.
I think it is possible for him to still be alive, I mean Batman survived.
Also reminded me of some awesome parts.
-Batman breaking Sal's legs was gruesome.
"From this height you won't kill me.
I'm hoping on it"
*Drops him*
-His departure from Hong Kong was awesome.
-The scene of the Joker's death.
-The final scene with Joker swinging upside down.
-I enjoyed the whole climax in the building with SWAT and the clowns.
Penguin said:
but it's the fucking batman and he has the batsuit.
they did show gordon speaking at dent's funeral. it's possible that dent's still alive and that they faked the funeral so no one would think dent is what he is, but i doubt that.
i actually hope Dent is dead, since I really like the ending.
- oh and we need a "banned" gif out of the joker's pencil trick
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I'm still not sure what happened with the Rachel/Dent bomb scene.
Batman said he was going after Rachel, which in turn would have sent Gordan+crew out to Dent.
So the Joker's intent was to have Batman go after Dent and find Rachel (as the Joker has no reason to suspect that Batman and Rachel are romantically linked). But the plan backfires and Batman goes after Rachel, turning out to be Dent.
I thought that Batman intentionally went after Dent, and told Gordan to he was going after Rachel so Gordan's crew would be safely by Dent, instead of blown up by Rachel. I assumed he knowingly sacrificed Rachel for the good of the city.
Not sure what really happened there.
During that scene though, the previews showed Dent getting doused in the oil and shouting "NOOO!" I always assumed that was because it was some kind of acid burning the side of his face or something. The fact that it was because he was getting saved makes that preview so fuck awesomely decieving.
Agreed. I'm not so sure that Dent is dead.
Batman said he was going after Rachel, which in turn would have sent Gordan+crew out to Dent.
So the Joker's intent was to have Batman go after Dent and find Rachel (as the Joker has no reason to suspect that Batman and Rachel are romantically linked). But the plan backfires and Batman goes after Rachel, turning out to be Dent.
I thought that Batman intentionally went after Dent, and told Gordan to he was going after Rachel so Gordan's crew would be safely by Dent, instead of blown up by Rachel. I assumed he knowingly sacrificed Rachel for the good of the city.
Not sure what really happened there.
During that scene though, the previews showed Dent getting doused in the oil and shouting "NOOO!" I always assumed that was because it was some kind of acid burning the side of his face or something. The fact that it was because he was getting saved makes that preview so fuck awesomely decieving.
hirokazu said:
Agreed. I'm not so sure that Dent is dead.
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hirokazu said:
I'm not saying Dent is dead (though I didn't see him breathing), but Batman survived the fall because of his armour. Earlier in the film he surived the long drop from his penthouse.
RubxQub said:
I think Joker said that he figured out Batman truly cares for Rachel. So he tricked him knowing that killing Rachel or not saving her would drive him more crazy.
As Batman said in the final scene, nothing is simple with the Joker. He was gonna have the cops take out hostages from a hospital.
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It's funny that this arguement only holds up when talking about Batman.woodchuck said:
He's just that good. :lol
As to the Rachel/Dent thing, you guys are right. I remember the Joker saying that he saw some spark between the Bat and Rachel, so I assume he used her to make the decision that much more complicated.
Still, choosing to save Rachel over Dent doesn't seem like the right choice. Perhaps emotions got the best of him (considering he fucking locked everyone out of the room and starting opening gallon jugs of whoop ass all over the Joker's face in the interrogation room the moment Rachel entered the picture.)
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