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[gutter_trash]

It's from a previous White House protest:

Also, if Hillary loses the general, what should her supporters evaluate about themselves?

they are harmless, and baked

I doubt that Pro-weed people are goign to vote for Trump

 

[inner-G]

I doubt that Pro-weed people are goign to vote for Trump

Trump has basically the same position as Hillary

The democratic platform that was passed has more left-leaning language than what their personal records show, but Clinton/Kaine aren't distinctly more liberal on cannabis than Trump.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

That may have been his intention when he started but the dude's head got bigger than Barry Bonds' roided-up melon.

Its possible that if it didnt go the way it did, he would have had much less bargaining power than he ended up having. Let us not assume too much. His head comparable size to Hillary against Obama in 08, and some of her toxic supporters back then who helped populate the birther movement. Toxic campaigns are just what happens as a byproduct. if candidates didnt went full in they would die at the starting line.

That doesn't mean I dont think Sanders strategy was unproductive in the last months. They felt antagonistic and less inspiring that the early and middle part of his campaign, but I'd imagine that is what happens when you're inside a bubble. He has been classy post-all of this, even with regards DWS wanting to thank her for her service.

 

[Tetra-9]

Why in the world would Michelle get boo'd?

Only reason I can think of is that god-awful song she helped put together.

 

[Red]

but the emails are extremely tame. if you get past the headlines, there isnt a lot of stuff here so far

This is an election fueled by a rift between a fed up electorate and the status quo. Seeing someone use religion as a weapon, outright, cards on the table, that's a slap in the face for those who expected integrity out of the political process. Already the Sanders camp had felt steamrolled, felt the process working against them. Those emails are confirmation. Whether or not he would have lost anyway is not part of the question. Seeing the political process working against him, especially with the way he embodied change, should be enough to get people riled up. They aren't the ones at fault here.

All this makes me wish Obama could serve another term.

 

[kamspy]

Trump has the same position as Hillary

And since the majority of his policies equate to "if it don't make dollars, it don't make sense", he might look at Colorado a little closer after he get's into office.

The people who want Marijuana legalized are equally large in number in both parties. I see no reason he wouldn't be as easily swayed as Hillary at least.

 

[hawk2025]

It's from a previous White House protest:

Also, if Hillary loses the general, what should her supporters evaluate about themselves?

Well, this has an answer on the personal and general level, I think.

On the personal level, I plan on donating the proportionate difference on my newly-minted taxcuts (I would assume Trump would hold up that part of the deal) to LGBT and Minority outreach programs to try and help against the incoming changes in the Supreme Court.

In general, it would represent a strong rejection of policy and evidence-based politics and show a clear need for demagoguery to win elections in the US. Running on those kinds of platforms is clearly not my specialty -- I would evaluate the role of technocrats in government in the first place.

 

[joe2187]

Why in the world would Michelle get boo'd?

For writing Melanias speech for her.

 

[titiklabingapat]

I don't know what's worse, the big baby liberals who gets their feelings hurt at the drop of the hat or those that are freaking out about them. Get a grip, both of you.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

they are harmless, and baked

I doubt that Pro-weed people are goign to vote for Trump

Maybe Johnson? Johnson and Sanders agree on 74% of the issues, and Johnson being "free" and no regulation, probably wins some of the legalize weed.
Prop with Johnson is that he is totally limited government. He is not specially against private prisons, citing that what makes those bad can happen in public prisons as well. I dont know if Bernie supporters will take.

 

[Seeya]

It's from a previous White House protest:

Also, if Hillary loses the general, what should her supporters evaluate about themselves?

They'll blame everyone but themselves for supporting a paper tiger candidate when Sanders polled much better head to head, consistently.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

Maybe Johnson? Johnson and Sanders agree on 74% of the issues, and Johnson being "free" and no regulation, probably wins some of the legalize weed.
Prop with Johnson is that he is totally limited government. He is not specially against private prisons, citing that what makes those bad can happen in public prisons as well. I dont know if Bernie supporters will take.

No sane Bernie fan will go Johnson, the libertarian platform is basically anarchy for rich people.

 

[Sean C]

They'll blame everyone but themselves for supporting a paper tiger candidate when Sanders polled much better head to head, consistently.

Which was, and is, meaningless, since Sanders was never subjected to a Republican attack campaign. The GOP wanted to face Sanders; they made that clear.

 

[inner-G]

Maybe Johnson? Johnson and Sanders agree on 74% of the issues, and Johnson being "free" and no regulation, probably wins some of the legalize weed.
Prop with Johnson is that he is totally limited government. He is not specially against private prisons, citing that what makes those bad can happen in public prisons as well. I dont know if Bernie supporters will take.

Jill Stein is pro-legalization.

I image she will get a far higher percentage of Bernie people if they decide to go third-party than Johnson.

 

[Ray Down]

Which was, and is, meaningless, since Sanders was never subjected to a Republican attack campaign. The GOP wanted to face Sanders; they made that clear.

And also ignoring the the fact early GE polls are really meaningless.

Unless people believe Cain and Mick had a chance of beating Obama.

 

[stanis]

what are other forms of communication that are unhackable?

officials have to start using whatsapp and face to face convos from now on.

nothing's safe

 

[Cranster]

They'll blame everyone but themselves for supporting a paper tiger candidate when Sanders polled much better head to head, consistently.

Sanders wouldn't have stood a chance against the GOP. The fact that Hillary won the majority of vote's for the nomination prove that Hillary was the most popular candidate.

 

[haxamin]

Is there a way to watch this, and when does it start UK time?

anyone?

 

[NullPointer]

what are other forms of communication that are unhackable?

officials have to start using whatsapp and face to face convos from now on.

nothing's safe

Wasn't WhatsApp used by the Turkey coup plotters?

 

[Abstrusity]

Which was, and is, meaningless, since Sanders was never subjected to a Republican attack campaign. The GOP wanted to face Sanders; they made that clear.

Is that because they feared a Clinton presidency more than a Sanders one, or because they thought that Sanders was the weaker candidate?

 

[Future PhaZe]

Stop blaming Sanders. He got out, he endorsed, he's helping.

Hillary has to reach out to his supporters any way she can. This DNC stuff isn't helping.

 

[Angry Chair]

I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have to stay away from politics talk between now and the election. The bending over backwards people are constantly doing to defend a politician of immense privilege is getting pretty grating. If Democrats insist on coddling an objectively weak candidate, they'll get exactly what they ordered come November. Hopefully they manage to pull it out instead of scoring the worst political own-goal of all time by fumbling the election away to a clown.



That's the winning Democrat strategy I know and love. "Vote for me unless you're racist/homophobic/an idiot."

If Hillary is objectively weak, than what are the prospects for a socialist, atheist in a GE? And yes, the so called "progressives" who don't support the most progressive platform the country has ever seen are dumb.

 

[KyroLen]

anyone?

I believe it starts 4PM eastern time, so for the UK I believe that would be around 9PM.

And you can probably find a live stream via youtube.

 

[inner-G]

Sanders wouldn't have stood a chance against the GOP. The fact that Hillary won the majority of vote's for the nomination prove that Hillary was the most popular candidate.

Sanders would be great against Trump, especially in debates. Trump is like the personification of the people he talks about in his stump speeches. Hillary gets visually annoyed easily, and Trump will not back off an inch from digging on her past, especially live on TV.

Sure they are the same on social issues, but campaign finance, policing, lobbying, delegate power shift, attitudes towards business and trade... these are not all things that they are not '95% the same on'

 

[Chaplain]

Story just broke:

Embattled DNC Chief Debbie Wasserman Schultz Won't Speak at Convention

In an interview with the Sun-Sentinel she said: "I have decided that in the interest of making sure that we can start the Democratic convention on a high note that I am not going to gavel in the convention."

The anger over leaked emails showing DNC officials plotting against the primary campaign of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders boiled over Monday as Wasserman Schultz was greeted by boos and jeers at her home state's breakfast meeting. Later, Bernie Sanders spoke to a raucous crowd of delegates supporting his candidacy which reacted with boos when he urged them to support Clinton's election this fall.

 

[Jeels]

anyone?

I'm watching via Twitch, but it hasn't started yet https://www.twitch.tv/dnc2016

 

[NullPointer]

Story just broke:

Embattled DNC Chief Debbie Wasserman Schultz Won't Speak at Convention

Thank the fucking Gods.

In an interview with the Sun-Sentinel she said: "I have decided that in the interest of making sure that we can start the Democratic convention on a high note that I am not going to gavel in the convention."

It won't defuse all tension, but it'll help mitigate it. She already kept the news cycle fed by not bowing out entirely before now.

 

[Sean C]

Is that because they feared a Clinton presidency more than a Sanders one, or because they thought that Sanders was the weaker candidate?

Because they viewed Sanders as the weaker candidate. He's got a treasure trove of past associations with far left organizations that would be a goldmine for GOP attacks. The Republicans have always tried to portray the Democrats as closet communists; Sanders actually does have a lot of past associations with that movement, and openly calls himself a socialist.

 

[Ramsiege]

This is an election fueled by a rift between a fed up electorate and the status quo. Seeing someone use religion as a weapon, outright, cards on the table, that's a slap in the face for those who expected integrity out of the political process. Already the Sanders camp had felt steamrolled, felt the process working against them. Those emails are confirmation. Whether or not he would have lost anyway is not part of the question. Seeing the political process working against him, especially with the way he embodied change, should be enough to get people riled up. They aren't the ones at fault here.

All this makes me wish Obama could serve another term.

Agree with everything you posted, Red.

 

[Ray Down]

Is that because they feared a Clinton presidency more than a Sanders one, or because they thought that Sanders was the weaker candidate?

Weaker candidate I guess, Hill skeletons are out of the closet for the majority of the nation.

With Sanders Republicans can bring up his socialism and statements, castro comment, his high tax increases, his location for his honeymoon (If i remember right) to paint him as a communist sympathizer.

 

[Cranster]

Is that because they feared a Clinton presidency more than a Sanders one, or because they thought that Sanders was the weaker candidate?

Both, they fear that Clinton will be able to get things done with a liberal dominated Supreme Court and with her years of experience and many connections she has alot more sway than someone like Sanders. With Sanders they could easily attack him and make a strong case for Trump as president due to Sanders more socialist views. His argument of breaking up the big banks for example is always repeated, but realistically it's easier said than done.

 

[Chaplain]

It won't defuse all tension, but it'll help mitigate it. She already kept the news cycle fed by not bowing out entirely before now.

Did you see the video (at the link) of the crowd booing Debbie while she gave a speech? The tension seems extremely high among democratic voters.

 

[dramatis]

Also, if Hillary loses the general, what should her supporters evaluate about themselves?

When Bernie Sanders lost the primaries, did his supporters ever stop to evaluate something about themselves?

Ask that question of yourself first before you blame others.

 

[dave is ok]

Story just broke:

Embattled DNC Chief Debbie Wasserman Schultz Won't Speak at Convention

Getting booed at breakfast woke her up

 

[Ether_Snake]

Why in the world would Michelle get boo'd?

Cause she supports Hillary. They're going to booing everyone, but qi said Michelle just to highlight the stupidity.

 

[Seeya]

Which was, and is, meaningless, since Sanders was never subjected to a Republican attack campaign. The GOP wanted to face Sanders; they made that clear.

You make it sound like Sanders weaknesses weren't gone over pretty well in the Dem contest, they were. We've had leaks confirming as much.

 

[sans_pants]

This is an election fueled by a rift between a fed up electorate and the status quo. Seeing someone use religion as a weapon, outright, cards on the table, that's a slap in the face for those who expected integrity out of the political process. Already the Sanders camp had felt steamrolled, felt the process working against them. Those emails are confirmation. Whether or not he would have lost anyway is not part of the question. Seeing the political process working against him, especially with the way he embodied change, should be enough to get people riled up. They aren't the ones at fault here.

All this makes me wish Obama could serve another term.

But they didn't actually religion as a weapon tho

 

[B-Dubs]

You make it sound like Sanders weaknesses weren't gone over pretty well in the Dem contest, they were. We've had leaks confirming as much.

Those leaks showed that they knew some of his weaknesses, not that they hit him on them. There's a very important difference. Sierra Blanca never came up in the Dem primary and that's probably the biggest attack against Bernie that there is.

 

[KyroLen]

It sucks that these calculated leaks have done exactly what Trump and Wikileaks wanted them to do. I wish people would put aside fear, hate, and anger to squash Trumps ability and chance to become the next President.

I mean, do people not realize how much WORSE things will be if Trump is elected? It's insane to me that anyone would prioritize anything at all over stopping this man from being elected.

In a side note, isn't it quite hilarious how the fear mongering seems to directly work with the tough, gun toting types in the Republican party? I mean, they value that 2nd amendment so hard, they have their precious guns, why are they so easily succumb to the fear mongering when they are supposed to be "tough"?

 

[StopMakingSense]

Is that because they feared a Clinton presidency more than a Sanders one, or because they thought that Sanders was the weaker candidate?

If Bernie had won, Trump would 24/7 be yelling about how he wants to turn the US into Venezuela, and calling him "Bernie Chavez"

 

[Aaronology]

When Bernie Sanders lost the primaries, did his supporters ever stop to evaluate something about themselves?

Ask that question of yourself first before you blame others.

 

[Jeels]

You make it sound like Sanders weaknesses weren't gone over pretty well in the Dem contest, they were. We've had leaks confirming as much.

Not actual weaknesses, that's not how the far right hate machine works. The way Hillary and democrats ran against Sanders is tepid in comparison to the lies and shit flinging he'd receive in a general. He would have gotten destroyed.

 

[inner-G]

When Bernie Sanders lost the primaries, did his supporters ever stop to evaluate something about themselves?

Ask that question of yourself first before you blame others.

He was the one talking about Bernie supporters first - I just re-worded his phrase to show it goes both ways.

And we'll never know how the primaries would've fallen without the DNC collusion against him, but he got 46% of the pledged delegates even swimming upstream against the party.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

You make it sound like Sanders weaknesses weren't gone over pretty well in the Dem contest, they were. We've had leaks confirming as much.

No, they were not. The mountain of skeletons in his closet and ethics question regarding his wife's university loan were never touched by the Clinton campaign. You can bet the GOP would've "tanked" him on day 1 and opened an ethics investigation on him. He would not win in the GE, even against Trump.

 

[davepoobond]

If Bernie had won, Trump would 24/7 be yelling about how he wants to turn the US into Venezuela, and calling him "Bernie Chavez"

If people think questioning his religion wasn't going to happen, either...

Trump literally did it to Clinton less than a month ago but that didnt seem to inflame any staunch defense

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I've always said that my number 1 concern with Trump is if he is going to get a big chunk of the 40% or so of the country that CAN vote TO vote. Every Obama voter from 2008 could come out and vote Hillary this fall, but if Trump gets 5% of that 40% more of the more "common folk" to vote for him this fall, he would win.

 

[Chaplain]

why are they so easily succumb to the fear mongering when they are supposed to be "tough"?

Two quotes to point you in the right direction:

"Without truth, science and all human knowledge collapse into conjecture. Without truth, the vital profession of journalism and how we follow the events of our day and understand the signs of our times dissolve into rumor. Without truth, the worlds of politics and business melt down into rules and power games. Without truth, the precious gift of human reason and freedom becomes license and all human relationships lose the bonding element of trust that is binding at their heart... Both hypocrisy and evil depend on lies. Hypocrisy is a lie in deeds rather than in words. And evil always uses lies to cover its oppressions. Only with truth can we stand up to deception and manipulation. For all who hate hypocrisy, care for justice and human dignity, and are prepared to fight evil, truth is the absolute requirement." (Os Guinness, Guest Scholar at the Woodrow Wilson Center and a Visiting Fellow at the Brookings Institution)

"In his seminal work Self-Deception, philosopher Herbert Fingarette argues that such willful ignorance lies at “the deep paradox of self-deception.” The self-deceived person “persuades himself to believe contrary to the evidence in order to evade, somehow, the unpleasant truth to which he has already seen that the evidence points.”. As Bahnsen writes, “There is something of a cognitive mess at the core of our lives. We are inconsistent in our choices, incoherent in our convictions, persuaded where we ought not to be, and deluded that we know ourselves transparently.” We often swing between belief and unbelief because deep down, like C.S. Lewis, we don’t want to be “interfered with.” We want freedom and truth on our own terms, because we recognize, as one author remarks, “The truth makes us free but first it makes us miserable.” (Danielle DuRant)

 

[wanderingprostheyltite]

If you're on cnn Trump is doing his speech addressing Bernie, emails, etc.

 

[benicillin]

I see a lot of handwaving about Bernie's eligibility as a DNC candidate that I don't think we'll ever know one way or the other. Each day I'm also feeling less and less secure in the idea that Hillary will defeat Trump, and she's supposed to be the "make sure Trump isn't elected candidate," so I kind of don't blame people for being skeptical here.

 

[Sean C]

You make it sound like Sanders weaknesses weren't gone over pretty well in the Dem contest, they were.

No, they weren't.

And Sanders' self-proclaimed socialist status plays completely different with the general electorate than with the Democratic primary electorate. Clinton didn't run adds suggesting he'd turn America communist.