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[RickSanchez]

I admit I'm old but something to the levels of spider man 2 is a little too much for me

Even in a game like Spider-Man 2, i am normally someone who can just go through all the in-your-face DEI elements and say to myself "ok, thats fine, lets move on" IF the rest of the game is good.

but Spider-Man 2's main problem is that the game as a whole is not as good as the first one. It is painfully obvious to anyone who thinks about it even a little that the story in the second and third act is so rushed.

Spoiler

We barely get to see Peter's dark side come out through the black suit, which should have taken a longer time to happen gradually. Just when that side of Peter is coming to a fore, the story immediately moves to the third act with Venom. Then it gets worse. Venom himself gets almost no screen time, no personality or character apart from being just a generic evil alien. No motivations or ambitions of itself, beyond 'take over the planet' which is as generic as it gets.

This is the biggest problem with Spider-Man 2. If this was done better, nobody would have cared about a bit of DEI pandering.

 

[cormack12]

 

[samoilaaa]

how can people say that woke isnt real when videos made by the companies exist





whats funny is that even lgbtq people hate lgbtq games with the exception of a few youtubers who like the spotlight , most of them dont want to be in the center of attention

I know i shouldnt get too deep into this but i have nothing better to do at this hour so why not

Its pretty clear that this culture war ( not just this but everything that is happening in this world ) is for control , its too make people angry , confused because when people are angry and confused they are vulnerable and easy to manipulate , the use of lgbtq propaganda ( and many other psy ops ) started way back since world war 1 , its nothing new , they use everything they can , sexuality , gender , race , social status , religion everything they can to separate people and make them fight each other while they gain more control

Once you get in people's heads it will be way harder for them to tell what is good or bad and thats when the real big changes happen in the world , you think trump or musk really care about woke stuff ? or the poor ? or sexual slaves ? or force child labour ? no politician does , republican , democrat , comunist , they are all the same

lets be real here , its all a stage and the only thing we can do is go with the flow , adapt or you get left behind , try to live your life the best way you can

 

[samoilaaa]

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[WhamBamThankYouMaam]

People should whine less and vote with their wallets. There is something for everyone.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Even in a game like Spider-Man 2, i am normally someone who can just go through all the in-your-face DEI elements and say to myself "ok, thats fine, lets move on" IF the rest of the game is good.

but Spider-Man 2's main problem is that the game as a whole is not as good as the first one. It is painfully obvious to anyone who thinks about it even a little that the story in the second and third act is so rushed.

Spoiler

We barely get to see Peter's dark side come out through the black suit, which should have taken a longer time to happen gradually. Just when that side of Peter is coming to a fore, the story immediately moves to the third act with Venom. Then it gets worse. Venom himself gets almost no screen time, no personality or character apart from being just a generic evil alien. No motivations or ambitions of itself, beyond 'take over the planet' which is as generic as it gets.

This is the biggest problem with Spider-Man 2. If this was done better, nobody would have cared about a bit of DEI pandering.

Nailed it. I thought the game was "fine" completely forgettable but fine and I agree with your points.

 

[xenosys]

You literally reference two sides in your statement, but say there isn't. Make it make sense.

And none of the, "but were the good guys stuff". Because the other side believes the same crap.

That would require a modicum of self-awareness. Something the average GAF member doesn't possess.

 

[DaciaJC]

Here's Musa of Mali's amazing voice-lines. The comment has marked the best of them:

Some tremendous examples of the games non-wokene and completely natural lines:

The real kicker here is that Henry can't really respond at all in these exchanges. I'm not surprised that a foreigner might act smug and compare things unfavorably against his homeland, but did the devs give Henry the ability to push back or refute any of it? Nah. At most you can say, "Aww, it can't be that bad."

Very disappointing.

 

[viveks86]

I can agree with everything you said.. but there is clearly some "centric" people that never, ever, made one comment about "wokeness" but suddenly is veeeery bothered by the "endless" culture war ... woke didn't bother them, anti-wokeness clearly do.. and yet they are "neutral" and both sides are "bad"... its easy to smell the bullshit.

We can agree on that. Claiming to be neutral is an easy refuge for hypocritical thinking. But actually trying to be neutral is really hard. You end up being the bad guy everywhere and never made to feel like you belong. It’s also impossible to be truly neutral as we all have biases. I’m happy to admit that I too lean on the “woke” side of this equation and generally would not call out mild forms of wokeness (such as “here is a token gay character”) versus more egregious DEI bullshit that is plaguing the industry. I would have a stronger reaction to anti-woke behavior. That’s just my natural state of mind. But I try to be as fair as my conscience lets me.

... when everybody is BAD nobody is ...

True. And I’m not trying to paint such a picture. Just that both extremes are bad. My whole point was that it’s ok to have a woke, anti-woke or neutral(ish) stance. None of these are inherently bad. I wanted to push back a little as many posts were trying to get away with “it’s lazy to take a neutral stance”. That in itself is pretty lazy if you don’t back up such a declaration with why you think so. People can be disingenuous and lazy to adopt any stance. Whatever is the cultural zeitgeist that gets them the most likes can become the stance du jour. But that doesn’t make the stance itself invalid.

 

[BbMajor7th]

'Woke' and 'Anti-woke' isn't a real dichotomy. It's 'woke' and 'none-woke'. People are attempting to drive social change through mainstream media and some people would rather they wouldn't.

The tension comes from the tone. If 'woke' only argued 'it'd be awesome if we could represent a broader spectrum of society in mainstream media', I doubt it'd be an issue. Unfortunately, the truth is closer to 'any mainstream media that doesn't represent specific minority groups is inherently problematic, exclusionary, and immoral. People who play these games are bad. They are endorsing violence, bigotry, and hate. They are disgusting and have no place in society."

A lot of people have now gone to the extreme of presuming any hint of non-heteronormative, non-white European, non-masculine representation is driven by 'woke' ideology. It's not true, but it's understandable how we've reached this point.

Confusing a rejection of a given ideology with an antithetical ideology doesn't help better the situation.

 

[DeafTourette]

'Woke' and 'Anti-woke' isn't a real dichotomy. It's 'woke' and 'none-woke'. People are attempting to drive social change through mainstream media and some people would rather they wouldn't.

The tension comes from the tone. If 'woke' only argued 'it'd be awesome if we could represent a broader spectrum of society in mainstream media', I doubt it'd be an issue. Unfortunately, the truth is closer to 'any mainstream media that doesn't represent specific minority groups is inherently problematic, exclusionary, and immoral. People who play these games are bad. They are endorsing violence, bigotry, and hate. They are disgusting and have no place in society."

A lot of people have now gone to the extreme of presuming any hint of non-heteronormative, non-white European, non-masculine representation is driven by 'woke' ideology. It's not true, but it's understandable how we've reached this point.

Confusing a rejection of a given ideology with an antithetical ideology doesn't help better the situation.

IMO, it's not understandable or logical to go to the extreme on any given stance. Especially when you reject anything that is non-white European, non-heteronormative, non-masculine presenting... That just screams racist. It's like folks complaining "there's too many POC in movies now... I'm going full-fledged Nazi now because of it" ... That's not logical or even sane. Yet folks HAVE said "this is what happens"

 

[viveks86]

You aren't wrong, but the matter of fact is that the first side doesn't even make up 5% of gamers, while the latter makes up the vast majority.
Which would be fine if the former (identical to their horseshoe twins) wouldn't claim to stand for "gamers" when they objectively don't, as proven by all outcomes.

I'm not so certain of this. Cringe inducing writing and characters aside, Dragon Age is not that awful from a gameplay standpoint, from what I can tell. It's about the same level of mediocrity as Hogwarts. Just a solidly average game. It doesn't deserve to flop by that metric alone. I think you are underestimating how big a rejection it has gotten for being too woke. These things go hand in hand anyway. When your creative leadership swings to the extreme end of the culture wars, you end up making mediocre (or worse) games as your focus isn't on creating fun experiences anymore. Suicide squad had the same issue. I'd put the number (straight out of my ass, but it feels right) to be 20%. So if it's woke AND shit, you are basically relying on activists to shore your game up. And that's not a big percentage. It's why I don't think Integalactic will flop. We don't even know if it relies too much on woke themes, aside from a bald female lead. For the record, I think she's hot, but to each their own. Regardless, if they make a solid game as they usually do, they will do just fine. But I think it is safe to assume they have already lost 20% of their audience for being too woke. The lifetime sales drop from TLOU part I to part II will reflect that as well. It will still be a hit, just not as big a hit.

 

[TheSHEEEP]

I'm not so certain of this. Cringe inducing writing and characters aside, Dragon Age is not that awful from a gameplay standpoint, from what I can tell. It's about the same level of mediocrity as Hogwarts.

Oh, no, it isn't.
HogLeg is a 7/10 game, maybe 6.5 honestly.

But Veilguard? That's a 5/10 - AT BEST. The only redeeming quality of that is the environment art.
The combat is far worse, just mindless bullet sponge button mashing without a thought behind it. All spectacle, zero content. Hogwarts actually has a really solid core combat system, I'd love that in a better package, but what it suffers from is being way too easy and having ludicrously low enemy variety (all due to a low-ish budget, I'd guess).
The level design in Veilguard is just outright insulting everyone's intelligence.
And the writing, as has been talked about plenty, it is so incredibly bad that the barely mediocre rest gets dragged down even further. There's a reason they let the entire writing team go - publishers don't usually do that, they generally close studios down entirely, not just let go of one department. Truth be told, I cannot remember something like that ever happening. Without that agenda pushing, even media outlets wouldn't have given that game beyond 7/10.
It really cannot be overstated how much the writing in general - not just the political parts - made people nope out.

It doesn't deserve to flop by that metric alone.

Oh yeah, it does. Absolutely. Any game that bad doesn't deserve much success.

I think you are underestimating how big a rejection it has gotten for being too woke. These things go hand in hand anyway.

I don't.
Don't get me wrong, it's wokeness definitely hurt it - it made people look twice before buying.
But if the game was actually any good - which it really isn't - enough people would have swallowed the awful writing and agenda pushing and play anyway.
And the screaming about wokeness was actually justified, for once. There isn't just some optional gay fling (oh no, the horror), or some pronoun selection, but just straight up preaching choirs, real-world political manifests right there in lore and relentless self-insertion all the time.
In this case, I'd definitely agree it might have been up to 20%.

But KCD2? Pffffft, please. Just the usual suspects and their mob, which will have forgotten about it in a few weeks time for the the next faux outrage to latch onto, same as with every internet drama every single time.

 

[viveks86]

But KCD2? Pffffft, please. Just the usual suspects and their mob, which will have forgotten about it in a few weeks time for the the next faux outrage to latch onto, same as with every internet drama every single time.

Yeah I agree the fuss about KCD2 is fringe outrage and would have little to no effect on sales. My original comment that you responded to was directed towards the failure of Veilguard (and to some extent Concord). Though I was really thinking about Veilguard.

 

[BbMajor7th]

IMO, it's not understandable or logical to go to the extreme on any given stance. Especially when you reject anything that is non-white European, non-heteronormative, non-masculine presenting... That just screams racist. It's like folks complaining "there's too many POC in movies now... I'm going full-fledged Nazi now because of it" ... That's not logical or even sane. Yet folks HAVE said "this is what happens"

Telling people that they are racists or nazis isn't a serious attempt to understand the problem. It's also easily falsified. Twenty years ago, Blade was the coolest superhero we'd ever seen, forty years ago, Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley were the most badass female characters to appear on the big screen. If people were simply racist or sexist, this wouldn't be possible.

Too many people in this discussion want to prove the other side wrong - really, we ought to be wondering who benefits. Not the trans community, who are under greater scrutiny and subject to more abuse than they ever have been. Not ethnic minorities, who might see themselves more in mainstream media but who are still massively under-represented politically and economically. Not the poor white communities, who are not only getting poorer but being told that they've never had it better - simply because they're white.

While we're fighting over pronouns in video games, the wealthiest people on the planet are doubling their wealth every few years. While we are shouting 'bigot' and 'snowflake' at each other, our waterways are being filled with sewage and local infrastructure is falling to bits. While we're wondering if they made Aloy fatter since the last game, our governments are spending billions of dollars blowing up people on the other side of the world and calling it a 'peace process'.

 

[viveks86]

While we're fighting over pronouns in video games, the wealthiest people on the planet are doubling their wealth every few years. While we are shouting 'bigot' and 'snowflake' at each other, our waterways are being filled with sewage and local infrastructure is falling to bits. While we're wondering if they made Aloy fatter since the last game, our governments are spending billions of dollars blowing up people on the other side of the world and calling it a 'peace process'.

Man, I was with you till the last paragraph. By stating greater problems and world issues in an argument about the entertainment industry, we end up trivializing and shutting down all conversation. We shouldn't even be playing games, let alone talking about it, because the world is suffering, right? And yet we play and talk about it. And we should. Without compartmentalizing a bit, the world would be unlivable. Not better.

 

[Musashipan]

Oh is quite simple for me
DEI shit = nope

 

[BbMajor7th]

Man, I was with you till the last paragraph. By stating greater problems and world issues in an argument about the entertainment industry, we end up trivializing and shutting down all conversation. We shouldn't even be playing games, let alone talking about it, because the world is suffering, right? And yet we play and talk about it. And we should. Without compartmentalizing a bit, the world would be unlivable. Not better.

It wasn't an attempt to shut down conversation and it's my bad if it came off like that. I'm just trying to highlight the disproportionate focus the topic gets in the media and the lack of real benefit it drives.

There is ultimately a lot more that unites those on either side of this argument than divides them. I think it's okay to disagree on what counts as a woman or what constitutes proper representation. I think that disagreement can be respectful and healthy.

What I see in the past five years, trumpeted from the top down is an attempt to undermine that. I'm wondering why that's happening and who benefits.

The only reason people are dining out on the failure of games like Veilguard and the like is because they've been lectured over and over by the media about how this stuff is the future. How they will be left behind by 'progress'. It's funny to watch overconfident pricks get their comeuppance. On the other side, I think some commentators, who've cultivated a following from schadenfreude like this have every reason to frame everything through this lens. It drives their momentum; It makes them money - it is what is.

It's natural to be caught up in the tribalism. It's human. The question I'm asking is what do we get out of it. What's the end game look like and is it worth it?

 

[DeafTourette]

Telling people that they are racists or nazis isn't a serious attempt to understand the problem. It's also easily falsified. Twenty years ago, Blade was the coolest superhero we'd ever seen, forty years ago, Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley were the most badass female characters to appear on the big screen. If people were simply racist or sexist, this wouldn't be possible.

Too many people in this discussion want to prove the other side wrong - really, we ought to be wondering who benefits. Not the trans community, who are under greater scrutiny and subject to more abuse than they ever have been. Not ethnic minorities, who might see themselves more in mainstream media but who are still massively under-represented politically and economically. Not the poor white communities, who are not only getting poorer but being told that they've never had it better - simply because they're white.

While we're fighting over pronouns in video games, the wealthiest people on the planet are doubling their wealth every few years. While we are shouting 'bigot' and 'snowflake' at each other, our waterways are being filled with sewage and local infrastructure is falling to bits. While we're wondering if they made Aloy fatter since the last game, our governments are spending billions of dollars blowing up people on the other side of the world and calling it a 'peace process'.

Everything after the first paragraph, I get and agree with. 100%!

The first paragraph is not what I said tho. I said it "screams racist"... Meaning that's how it comes across. I didn't call anyone racist nor said that that's what they are. I also called into question the logic of people going extreme at the sight of a non-white, non-heteronormative character... That isn't logical nor understandable. I get there may be pushback when a game doesn't represent a certain segment of society, but a certain segment has always pushed back on a game, movie or TV show that's predominantly black or Asian or Latino or Native set in the US. Even though many games, movies and TV shows are just as predominantly white. I mean, there's still people acting like there should be a "white history month" even though most of US history that's taught in k-12 is basically white history. That's not a knock, that's just reality. But many places are no longer recognizing BHM ... And the pushback I got when I made a BHM thread is why I don't post about it anymore... Not since 2021. Always bringing up Morgan Freeman saying there shouldn't be a BHM when he was talking about it being the shortest month of the year and being limited to just one month... And staying that BH IS American history and should be given that breadth throughout the year ... Which it currently isn't.

And I went WAY off topic LMBO!

Sorry, when I get going, I will TALK!

LIKE I said... I agreed with the second and third paragraphs... Just a lil pushback on the first.

 

[viveks86]

It wasn't an attempt to shut down conversation and it's my bad if it came off like that. I'm just trying to highlight the disproportionate focus the topic gets in the media and the lack of real benefit it drives.

Didn't mean to say you were trying to shut it down. But just suggesting it would result in the natural conclusion of any debate. I mean, in the face of actual death, destruction and suffering, who cares if KCD 2 has anal bleaching or not?

I think it's okay to disagree on what counts as a woman or what constitutes proper representation. I think that disagreement can be respectful and healthy.

You and I can agree on that. But I think society hasn't fully come to grips with it. I was told that I was disgusting and my existence and thought process was a threat to someone's daughter for even being open to such a debate, even though my actual take on it is pretty conservative. Just for being open to a debate! The thing is, I get why this is a triggering topic. It's natural to want to ensure safety of a loved one and a perceived threat needs to be neutralized (even in thought). We just need to choose who to disagree with so there is something productive that comes out of it.

What I see in the past five years, trumpeted from the top down is an attempt to undermine that. I'm wondering why that's happening and who benefits.

Until there is any evidence, I'm going to refrain from thinking there is a greater agenda here. It's all a vicious cycle, in my opinion. The pendulum swung too far the first time around and now it is swinging back. And obviously politics will feed on it (and make it better or worse depending on the lens you see it from).

The question I'm asking is what do we get out of it. What's the end game look like and is it worth it?

 

[samoilaaa]

Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2: A mammoth acting challenge

What was it like to act in a video game thought to have one of the longest scripts ever written for the medium?

www.bbc.com

"With the first game there was a backlash from a more left-wing mentality and then there's been something of a backlash this time around from the right-wing mentality."

Both Luke and Tom, having spent the days after KCD 2's release meeting fans, say they believe the complaints are from an unrepresentative minority.

"It's a really good barometer of the distortion between online interaction and real world interaction," says Tom.

"We did nine hours and it didn't come up once."

Luke adds: "I think to be honest with you, the people that are true big fans of gaming and this game aren't bothered about that sort of stuff.

"It seems to be people that are really politically involved and they care very much about politics and not gaming and they've just used this as a weapon, but they're not necessarily into gaming."

so if we dont like lgbtq in our games we are not true gaming fans , got it , this guy and the whole warhorse studio can fuck off

 

[Zacfoldor]

Look I'm all against DEI being forced into gaming. I hate that. I just don't think having a gay romance option or having a gay character in the game is necessarily that. It is an RPG. Your choices aren't necessarily canon but it is good to be able to manipulate the story with my choices.

So I get it guys, I hate DEI in games too, but don't tilt at windmills. It delegitimizes us when we have a real complaint. There are plenty of actually truly woke games out there to fuck with.

That said, here this woke gamers. The rare incel victories will continue until morale improves.

 

[TheSHEEEP]

so if we dont like lgbtq in our games we are not true gaming fans , got it , this guy and the whole warhorse studio can fuck off

Yeah, I'm fairly sure Warhorse doesn't need any members of the dudebro chud club afraid of any tiny instance of something that isn't out of the moral compass of the 1940s.
How is the game doing, again?

Yeah...
Your impotent anger tears and your swinging at imagined enemies is noted and enjoyed. Thank you for your service.
You can leave now and let the gamers enjoy their gaming.

 

[samoilaaa]

Yeah, I'm fairly sure Warhorse doesn't need any members of the dudebro chud club afraid of anything that isn't out of the moral compass of 1940s.
How is the game doing, again?

Yeah...
Your impotent anger tears and your swinging at imagined enemies is noted and enjoyed. Thank you for your service.
You can leave now and let the gamers enjoy their gaming.

i dont give a shit how the game is doing , i dont play games acording to their popularity

 

[TheSHEEEP]

i dont give a shit how the game is doing , i dont play games acording to their popularity

Please, you are making this way too easy.

 

[samoilaaa]

Please, you are making this way too easy.

that username suits you , enjoy your consumer life

 

[TheSHEEEP]

that username suits you , enjoy your consumer life

Creative.
Do you do comedy routines?

 

[Idleyes]

Me walking in on the anti-woke meeting about KCD2

I just tried it. The game is !

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

So far, every game that was found to be innocent of wokeness had been doing just fine. So I am not sure what the problem was. Yes, people get caught in the crossfire, but that doesn't mean the battle wasn't justified.

If Vampires are real, and we form vampire hunter groups killing them, there would always be people who get accused who ended up being innocent. It doesn't mean we shouldn't have vampire hunters or to then say there is no such thing as vampires, or to say that vampires and vampires hunters are somehow equally bad.

And then it gets even crazier to say you are "Neutral about vampires". The hell you are, you are lying.

Kill the vampires.

 

[viveks86]

but don't tilt at windmills

Forget windmills. How about vampires? Care to kill some vampires?

 

[fart town usa]

It is dumb. It's made me lose all interest in the franchise. I bought the first the other week but don't even want to play it now. The Grummz side is cringe and the director is acting like a complete asshat/prick. They are both cringe as F.

I'll patiently wait for the Gothic Remake.

 

[realcool]

Yeah, I'm fairly sure Warhorse doesn't need any members of the dudebro chud club afraid of any tiny instance of something that isn't out of the moral compass of the 1940s.
How is the game doing, again?

Yeah...
Your impotent anger tears and your swinging at imagined enemies is noted and enjoyed. Thank you for your service.
You can leave now and let the gamers enjoy their gaming.

How dare you gloat about the success of a video game that you admit minimizes homosexual representation!? Unbelievable. I'm getting you de-platformed from Bluesky right now!

 

[Zelduh]

mommy they put the gays in my game and it made my pipi feel funny...

 

[yogaflame]

The sales number is already good, at 1 Million plus, but for me, even its optional, maybe if those controversial scene and choice

Spoiler

sodomy

was not included in the game, the game could have made 500k plus more sales.

 

[Bernardougf]

mommy they put the gays in my game and it made my pipi feel funny...

 

[Singular7]

mommy they put the gays in my game and it made my pipi feel funny...

you can mock... but change that to they put rape in the game and my pipi....

So there are limits. "woke" represents what is over the limit, and nobody really wants it

I'd rather not play a game than support looney philosophy being pumped into society.

ergo there are sides, and the OP title suggesting middle of the road "nothing really matters" is also a dead-end.

 

[adamsapple]

mommy they put the gays in my game and it made my pipi feel funny...

 

[Bernardougf]

you can mock... but change that to they put rape in the game and my pipi....

So there are limits. "woke" represents what is over the limit, and nobody really wants it

I'd rather not play a game than support looney philosophy being pumped into society.

Its a 200 post 2015 account ...who loves to shit on this kind of threads... so its an alternative or some resetera lurker or both .. either way dont even try to have an honest conversation.

 

[GloveSlap]

Many of us here are in our 30s and 40s on average, there was some thread that asked the age of members here and how long we have been gaming. So many of us here started gaming in the 80s or 90s.

We all remembered when video games were all about game play and visual art style/graphics. There were no real world politics or social issues shoehorned into the game with an agenda.

What happened? Who injected these divisive real world issues into games? And most importantly why? Only one side did it. This thread was created in bad faith, imo. Only one side turned the western gaming industry upside down by injecting real world politics and social issues in it. The other side came into existence to massively pushed back on this.

I'll have you know sir, the world didn't exist prior to 2012.

 

[Bernardougf]

I'll have you know sir, the world didn't exist prior to 2012.

Its really remarkable how many times they can say "its the first time for X thing" and completely ignore the past examples. Peak Ignorance and narcissist behavior.

 

[Idleyes]

Swear to god Neogaf's gonna kill me with laughter some day.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

I hate forced ideology in games as much as the next guy but it really seems like the commentary is starting to go off the rails.

I'm seeing more and more comments from people who sound like the retards who handed out communist pamphlets at Uni and then others that sound like my politically deranged FIL who thinks gay marriage will result in the collapse of human civilisation.

 

[taizuke]

As much as i'm trying to be open-minded and not judge upcoming games like Intergalactic and Ghost of Yotei, i can't help but notice patterns. With Ghost the fact that they switch to a female protagonist and the actress playing the main character is an activist could be a sign that the team is going for a more progressive approach. As for Intergalactic, i used to love ND and despite my issues with TLOU II, i still love the game. But, it's Neil Druckmann and after TLOU II i just don't think of him the same.

That said, i am reserving full judgement until these games come out. Maybe my concerns will fade away as we start seeing more about these games or maybe they'll be reinforced.

 

[kevboard]

I hate forced ideology in games as much as the next guy but it really seems like the commentary is starting to go off the rails.

I'm seeing more and more comments from people who sound like the retards who handed out communist pamphlets at Uni and then others that sound like my politically deranged FIL who thinks gay marriage will result in the collapse of human civilisation.

yeah, it's always the sensible people in the center that are damned to lose IQ points reading the shit these retards post.
a story as old as humanity

 

[realcool]

As much as i'm trying to be open-minded and not judge upcoming games like Intergalactic and Ghost of Yotei, i can't help but notice patterns.

 

[realcool]

yeah, it's always the sensible people in the center that are damned to lose IQ points reading the shit these retards post.
a story as old as humanity

Nobody ever talks about the Jenkem epidemic devastating enlightened centrist communities across the world. When a community thinks their shit doesn't stink and they like to get high off their own supply... what a tragic inevitability... those poor IQ points.

 

[kevboard]

Nobody ever talks about the Jenkem epidemic devastating enlightened centrist communities across the world. When a community thinks their shit doesn't stink and they like to get high off their own supply... what a tragic inevitability... those poor IQ points.

the word you are looking for is moderate, not centrist.
although they are often interchangeable as a centrist is by default a moderate, but not the other way around.
anyone who isn't a moderate is retarded, a grifter or has some sort of disorder... there's enough evidence out there to confirm that I think.

it doesn't take a massive IQ to be a moderate, but it takes a very low one to veer towards the extreme edges of the spectrum

 

[laynelane]

mommy they put the gays in my game and it made my pipi feel funny...

The ban reason for this really nails what this type of statement is and the kind of people who make it.

 

[realcool]

the word you are looking for is moderate, not centrist.
although they are often interchangeable as a centrist is by default a moderate, but not the other way around.

I was being charitable, but the two align with the rejection of extremism.

For example:

anyone who isn't a moderate is retarded, a grifter or has some sort of disorder... there's enough evidence out there to confirm that I think.


it doesn't take a massive IQ to be a moderate, but it takes a very low one to veer towards the extreme edges of the spectrum

This is an extreme, dogmatic, and contradictory belief for a centrist or a moderate to hold.

 

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you think trump or musk really care about woke stuff ?

Don’t know about Trump but Musk seem to care, said in an interview that he ”lost” one of his sons to ”the woke mind virus” and said he vowed to destroy it.
But who knows could still be part of a plan to divide the world for more control I guess.