The Flash |OT| Gotta Go Fast - Tuesdays 8/7c

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bryanee said:
Are there any difference between what was shown last night and the pilot that leaked?
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Some minor VFX tweaks, I think some tweaked or added music but that's really it.

Error said:
Those numbers are pretty amazing considering the pilot leaked like 2 months before the premiere.
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TBH, I think the leak actually helped by creating a lot of extra positive buzz.

TheOddOne said:
Crazy.

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So I was even closer to my "hopeful" prediction. Nice!

@amellywood
Congratulations to @grantgust and the entire #Flash team. Enjoy your next ten years in Vancouver!!
https://twitter.com/amellywood/status/519929603776077825
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Blader said:
She couldn't have been more in his face about it either.

"I know what you're trying to say Barry. You think that even though we grew up in the same house and sometimes think of each other as siblings, we aren't actually siblings and there's a chance that there might be some real sexual chemistry between us that could one day turn into a real romantic relationship? Well don't worry, that will never happen."
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Nah that was just tumblr fanfic bait.
 
Joni said:
They already dropped the Bat-embargo with Gotham itself and considering Supergirl is coming, the Supes embargo also looks weak. DC might have loosened up.
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We will not see a live action Batman on tv in the next 10 years but thankfully stuff like this makes it more likely that he does exist in this universe.

Still have my fingers crossed for Cassandra Cain or Dick eventually.
 
Detective West might've made the best first impression of a cop character in a (non-cop) show ever, glad they went down *that* route so early in the show! beats all the hide-and-seek stuff. Thought his stuff was really well handled in general.
 
This show has a lot of potential, much more than Arrow. I am still a big fan of Arrow, fan of both now actually. Tuesday/Wednesday Flash/Arrow back to back slot is too damn good!
 
Those ratings, we're in for the long haul! They could fall off a cliff like some other shows that start strong, but most people seem very pleased with the premiere quality so I'd say it's sticking around.

Veelk said:
No one's more disappointed than me. I would love to love Flash, because I would love to see most of DC's heroes fully realized in all their glory. But it's fine, I got Agents of Shield and Gotham and Gravity falls. I'll start watching Soprano's soon, I think, or something like that. I'm covered in terms of quality shows.
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You don't like Arrow and Flash but you're watching Shield and Gotham and calling them quality shows?
 
Guess it's a given that DVR numbers will push it past 5 million... Going to be interesting to see how it holds up, no way does it fall below Arrow.

Kevin said:
I've been watching CW shows for a long time. You can expect a season 2. :)
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And 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10. ;)
 
ZeroX03 said:
You don't like Arrow and Flash but you're watching Shield and Gotham and calling them quality shows?
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If there is anything, anything whatsoever, I've learned in my years of watching various movies, shows, playing games, reading books, etc, while I developed my own theory of literature to evaluate what is good and what is not, it is this: What is good and what people enjoy is are only sometimes the same thing. As such, I can admit freely that I watch and enjoy a lot of shit that's far worse than either Flash or Arrow. Most recent example, the Strain. I'll be the first to admit it's written and shot horrendously with annoying characters doing some of the stupidest shit I've ever seen on TV. It's only redeeming quality is that the monsters are kind of cool and sometimes they mess up even that. Similarly, while I can respect a lot of things about Mad Men, it doesn't change the fact that it's extremely boring to me to watch a bunch of rich assholes going about their day doing random, pointless things set in an era I'm really not that interested in. I can admit perfectly well that it might be very well written, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Look, I don't give the slightest fraction of a fuck what you enjoy and what you don't. That's why, despite the many, many, many criticisms I've written about Arrow and Flash, I never insult the fanbase in any way for liking it. Because at the end of the day, you like what you like and don't what you don't and that's fine. I have always and will only attack the material, not the people watching it. And if you came to post to ask me how I think those shows stand as better in an attempt to have an honest discussion, then I'd gladly engage you. But that's not what this comment implies. It implies you don't like my criticisms of the show you like, so you are just trying to discredit my opinion just for the mere fact of my liking them, without asking why I like them or even why Arrow and Flash are better.

If you didn't mean to make this implication and want a genuine conversation, then that's not the way to start it. Otherwise, you are being the kind of asshole some people here think I am.
 
Veelk said:
If there is anything, anything whatsoever, I've learned in my years of watching various movies, shows, playing games, reading books, etc, while I developed my own theory of literature to evaluate what is good and what is not, it is this: What is good and what people enjoy is are only sometimes the same thing. As such, I can admit freely that I watch and enjoy a lot of shit that's far worse than either Flash or Arrow. Most recent example, the Strain. I'll be the first to admit it's written and shot horrendously with annoying characters doing some of the stupidest shit I've ever seen on TV. It's only redeeming quality is that the monsters are kind of cool and sometimes they mess up even that. Similarly, while I can respect a lot of things about Mad Men, it doesn't change the fact that it's extremely boring to me to watch a bunch of rich assholes going about their day doing random, pointless things set in an era I'm really not that interested in. I can admit perfectly well that it might be very well written, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Look, I don't give the slightest fraction of a fuck what you enjoy and what you don't. That's why, despite the many, many, many criticisms I've written about Arrow and Flash, I never insult the fanbase in any way for liking it. Because at the end of the day, you like what you like and don't what you don't and that's fine. I have always and will only attack the material, not the people watching it. And if you came to post to ask me how I think those shows stand as better in an attempt to have an honest discussion, then I'd gladly engage you. But that's not what this comment implies. It implies you don't like my criticisms of the show you like, so you are just trying to discredit my opinion just for the mere fact of my liking them, without asking why I like them or even why Arrow and Flash are better.

If you didn't mean to make this implication and want a genuine conversation, then that's not the way to start it. Otherwise, you are being the kind of asshole some people here think I am.
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Guy was just asking a simple question...why would people want to discredit your opinion or think you're an asshole? It's your opinion, everyone's entitled to their own
 
Veelk said:
If there is anything, anything whatsoever, I've learned in my years of watching various movies, shows, playing games, reading books, etc, while I developed my own theory of literature to evaluate what is good and what is not, it is this: What is good and what people enjoy is are only sometimes the same thing. As such, I can admit freely that I watch and enjoy a lot of shit that's far worse than either Flash or Arrow. Most recent example, the Strain. I'll be the first to admit it's written and shot horrendously with annoying characters doing some of the stupidest shit I've ever seen on TV. It's only redeeming quality is that the monsters are kind of cool and sometimes they mess up even that. Similarly, while I can respect a lot of things about Mad Men, it doesn't change the fact that it's extremely boring to me to watch a bunch of rich assholes going about their day doing random, pointless things set in an era I'm really not that interested in. I can admit perfectly well that it might be very well written, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Look, I don't give the slightest fraction of a fuck what you enjoy and what you don't. That's why, despite the many, many, many criticisms I've written about Arrow and Flash, I never insult the fanbase in any way for liking it. Because at the end of the day, you like what you like and don't what you don't and that's fine. I have always and will only attack the material, not the people watching it. And if you came to post to ask me how I think those shows stand as better in an attempt to have an honest discussion, then I'd gladly engage you. But that's not what this comment implies. It implies you don't like my criticisms of the show you like, so you are just trying to discredit my opinion just for the mere fact of my liking them, without asking why I like them or even why Arrow and Flash are better.

If you didn't mean to make this implication and want a genuine conversation, then that's not the way to start it. Otherwise, you are being the kind of asshole some people here think I am.
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I am honestly interested in why you think Gotham and Shield are better than Arrow and Flash. Please note this is not me trying to say Gotham and Shield are terrible (though I really don't like Shield), and not me saying that Arrow and Flash are amazing. It is not exactly a commonly held opinion. Nor am I likely to respond in kind with a bunch of paragraphs as that's just very time consuming.
 
More_Badass said:
Guy was just asking a simple question...why would people want to discredit your opinion or think you're an asshole? It's your opinion, everyone's entitled to their own
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The tone of the question seems obvious, given the context. "You think X is bad, but you like Y?! WTF" is not the kind of sentence usually worded when asking for a genuine explanation as opposed to just expressing incrediousness at some kind of obvious contradiction a person holds. And I've already have already been accused of trolling, patronizing, 'possessing facts' (I didn't get this one either), and arrogance just for writing my opinions out.

But in the event the poster in question was just being genuinely surprised and merely forgot to ask me to elaborate, then I apologize for misinterpretting. I've had many discussions to that effect, and are a particular annoyance to me.

ZeroX03 said:
I am honestly interested in why you think Gotham and Shield are better than Arrow and Flash. Please note this is not me trying to say Gotham and Shield are terrible (though I really don't like Shield), and not me saying that Arrow and Flash are amazing. It is not exactly a commonly held opinion. Nor am I likely to respond in kind with a bunch of paragraphs as that's just very time consuming.
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Right, well, I hope you can understand why I interpreted that differently than how you meant it atleast. As as I said above, I apologize. if nothing else, I can copy and paste that post for when people do eventually make a remark of that nature.

Right, for why I like Gotham, I posted my thoughts here. It doesn't have many episodes to it's name yet, so I don't have too much to say, and it could falter once it hits the bigger plots, which are more important to get right than the main story is. But it's a show I expected to hate completely and I'm surprised how much it does right. The biggest issue it has right now is that it's not handling Montoya right, but I think once we get a change to expand her role beyond bitter old lover, they'll improve with her.

With Agents of Shield, it's more complicated, since it had a chance to complete it's season. While I never disliked them as much as some, the first few episodes were what I'd call mini marvel movies, in that they were fun, but largely pointless, following no over arching narrative. Then Winter Soldier happened, and everything changed. It that allowed the show to finally start on it's plot that it's clearly been waiting for so long to unleash. After that, things started moving fast, and the plot points we thought were just filler in the first few episodes, particularly concerning one certain character, were turned against us. Besides that, there is just more diversity in the writing with AoS than there were in Arrow. If Arrow introduced a female character of the same age bracket as Ollie, they were sleeping together. It seems like it's impossible for the writers to write platonic characters on that show, and I appreciated the greater variety of relationships in AoS, as well as that classic whedon dialogue.

This is just tip of the iceberg stuff, of course. They're very different shows,
 
Recorded it but not going to start until after I'm done with Arrow Season 2. Just watched the whole 1st season over the past week and LOVED it. Am in for a great with Season 2? Or is it not as good?
 
Well I really enjoyed the first episode, more so than I was expecting.
 
good premiere, show has potential. nice
Arrow
cameo, awesome
Gorilla Grodd
nod, are they really going to have a
fucking talking gorilla
eventually? because that would be god tier, I hope they have the balls to do it (hopefully guardians proved that people are fine with silly stuff)
 
Were there any changes from the leaked pilot? Didn't notice any obvious changes. They even kept in the
Wayne/Queen merger in the newspaper from the future.
 
Rhaknar said:
good premiere, show has potential. nice
Arrow
cameo, awesome
Gorilla Grodd
nod, are they really going to have a
fucking talking gorilla
eventually? because that would be god tier, I hope they have the balls to do it (hopefully guardians proved that people are fine with silly stuff)
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I have a feeling maybe
they'll have him talk psychically through other people. Idk, a talking gorilla seems a bit too weird
 
So I had super high expectations based on my love of Flash comics but I'm very solidly satisfied with what I saw and super excited to see what else they can do. I love that they're going with the Rebirth story line.

The only thing I'm worried about is how exactly they'll limit the CG budget if they're going for a full on Rogues roaster. At least
Mirror Master
should be easy.

On that note...
There is no way that Marden is dead
.

What's the rules for spoilers anyway?

More_Badass said:
I have a feeling maybe
they'll have him talk psychically through other people. Idk, a talking gorilla seems a bit too weird
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If they do it right then it could be extremely menacing. He's always been one of the most unnerving villains iffin you ask me.
 
Did anyone else notice
flash's costume in the newspaper? It looks brighter red and has a white emblem like in the comics.
 
watched the pilot months ago.

can't believe i'm the only one who didn't like it. bad acting, cheesy dialogues, just...ugh. characters don't have screen presence, setups are as usual cliche. i bet that girl in the science lab will fall for barry.

barry was okay in spurts in arrow, but watching him all throughout the whole hour...it was bad.
 
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