simplythebest
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Wrong version tho :\
I just realized we'll never see a Wally West on this show since it seems Iris is an only child.
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Wrong version tho :\
I just realized we'll never see a Wally West on this show since it seems Iris is an only child.
Razgriz-Specter
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I know ='(
I've enjoyed these first two episodes a lot.
However, this latest episode confirmed something that I sort of figured would have to happen for a show based on The Flash. They're going to have to be a bit inconsistent with when he uses his super-speed for the sake of creating tension. Just in this last episode we had a scene where he practically moved faster than time (when he was explaining to the girl how much he wished he could tell her the truth) - which the show seemed to just gloss over and a scene where he was slow as molasses when fighting those first five clones in the warehouse.
I get why they have to do it, you can't have your hero always be a giant blur on the screen when fighting bad guys, that would be crazy boring. But I'll definitely be that guy thinking to myself "Why doesn't he use his powers here?". As I said, still enjoying the show despite that. I'm curious to see where they're building up to, especially with that very last scene in episode 2.
However, this latest episode confirmed something that I sort of figured would have to happen for a show based on The Flash. They're going to have to be a bit inconsistent with when he uses his super-speed for the sake of creating tension. Just in this last episode we had a scene where he practically moved faster than time (when he was explaining to the girl how much he wished he could tell her the truth) - which the show seemed to just gloss over and a scene where he was slow as molasses when fighting those first five clones in the warehouse.
I get why they have to do it, you can't have your hero always be a giant blur on the screen when fighting bad guys, that would be crazy boring. But I'll definitely be that guy thinking to myself "Why doesn't he use his powers here?". As I said, still enjoying the show despite that. I'm curious to see where they're building up to, especially with that very last scene in episode 2.
simplythebest
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It would also be kinda of a short episode if he's simply just punching bad guys in the face 200 times in like 1.5 seconds.
"The speed of plot"
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TravelingAtTheSpeedOfPlot
He'll travel as fast or slow as he needs to to make it interesting.
Bruce Timm talked about this in the Superman:TAS DVD commentary and how they had to scale Superman's power in order to make enemies threatening. This sort of thing has been an issue since the bronze age of comics when superheroes started to become more grounded and superpower inconsistencies started to stand out more.
It's a necessary evil for unapologetically superhero comics media... ultimately they don't hold up to scrutiny, but then, they're not supposed to.
The opening narration breaks the Fourth Wall. It's addressed to the audience and Barry watching himself on screen. It's about as comic book-y as you can get in terms of pulling off narration boxes without pulling Ang Lee-styled comic panel frames on screen. It's basically screaming at the audience: "THIS IS LIKE A COMIC BOOK!" and thus to be judged accordingly.
The Flash TV can pull this off because we're becoming increasingly saturated in superhero media and the audience is just getting superhero literate and comic savvy and because TV is just more forgiving for action / adventure / scifi series.
The good news for you- if you want to see a consistent Flash- is that the DC Cinematic Universe, so far, takes a more realistic approach and does it best to dispense with comic-specific tropes. It might not be that way by the time they get to Flash, but overall, I think we can expect something aimed at audiences that aren't as comic book literate and thus requires more rigid consistency.
So, hopefully, we'll get the best of both. Comic book-y Flash on TV and General Audience Sci-Fi Flash on film.
The opening narration breaks the Fourth Wall. It's addressed to the audience and Barry watching himself on screen. It's about as comic book-y as you can get in terms of pulling off narration boxes without pulling Ang Lee-styled comic panel frames on screen. It's basically screaming at the audience: "THIS IS LIKE A COMIC BOOK!" and thus to be judged accordingly.
The Flash TV can pull this off because we're becoming increasingly saturated in superhero media and the audience is just getting superhero literate and comic savvy and because TV is just more forgiving for action / adventure / scifi series.
The good news for you- if you want to see a consistent Flash- is that the DC Cinematic Universe, so far, takes a more realistic approach and does it best to dispense with comic-specific tropes. It might not be that way by the time they get to Flash, but overall, I think we can expect something aimed at audiences that aren't as comic book literate and thus requires more rigid consistency.
So, hopefully, we'll get the best of both. Comic book-y Flash on TV and General Audience Sci-Fi Flash on film.
Discotheque
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CW gaf has lost its mind if they think these shows are better than begins or TDK
Arrow's last few episodes have been way too corny, maybe it's because it's airing right after flash which is so good out the jump but these season 3 episodes have been kinda mediocre
Plus the drama is just not working. Felicity's melodrama was...scust
They're gonna have to cut back from giving her any dramatic scenes and work on writing for Laurel. We all gonna have to get used to her anyways
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Oh get off that high horse.
You swear like the speeches and shit in TDK was not at all corny shit
Discotheque
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The boat scene was awful.
But I know ppl here stood up and saluted the screen when Gordon gave that speech at the end
That was beautiful
I just find it weird that some fans of these shows are now retroactively shitting on some amazing movies
Arrow especially owes a lot to begins tbh
This show reminds me more of raimi Spider-Man series. Im glad they're keeping the tones separate between shows
TheVampire
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Yeah it was a bit dumb how it seemed like he allowed himself to get hit in the warehouse.
Razgriz-Specter
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On a 1for1 basis is Arrow as good as Nolan Batman? No its not even a competition.
But Arrow you get to sit down every week for a decent episode adding up to around 24 hours worth of it.
meanwhile we had the great Begins but had to wait 3 years go get more and then 4 years after that.(for around 6 hours of Nolan Batman you would have gotten around 168 hours of Arrow)
Now quantity isn't technically better than quality but that quantity allows them to do way more interesting things that can't fit in a movie or even a trilogy.
Not a CW buff, but I am enjoying their DC output. It's exciting and fun.
Still waiting on Nolan Batman to actually do some detective work that isn't just screaming "Where is she/it" at people.
Razgriz-Specter
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PHOENIXZERO
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Only counting movies, the whole one so far that make up the DCMU I've had a lot more fun over the last two years with Arrow and so far with The Flash than I did with Man of Steel but that might be because I have higher standards for movies and for Superman due to having stronger attachments to the character. Then again I enjoyed Smallville as flawed as it was, the 10th season which pretty much ruined the show for me, that finale was just the cherry on top. Don't think anyone could doubt that Arrow owes a lot to Nolan's Batman for the tone and all that, the people behind the show IIRC have said as much.
I had a bunch written but I'm too tired to make sense and this discussion is going way beyond the show now and I've been spending way too much time reading the penal codes for Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio and Rhode Island looking for more accurate information. But I was not saying that incest was defined as marriage and having never looked this up before I was just surprised about those four states when it came to adults though at least in Michigan after doing more reading it actually falls under criminal sexual conduct laws as a 3rd degree felony (750.520d) which was introduced in 1996 or 4th degree misdemeanor (750.520e) so that's wrong in the Wiki, I wonder what else is. Still, looks like it's the case with the three other states and really when it comes down to it though the law isn't something easily enforced since the odds of two consenting adults being caught are slim unless they're out there telling people or they have family who knows. I imagine it happens a lot more frequently than a lot of people think...
The thing with Barry and Iris though is something where like I said, I doubt either (Barry certainly doesn't) look at the other as a sibling and it's still a TV show and not real life but I agree that they could've handled it better. But for all we know they could do time travel and something could change.
Annnnd I still wrote more than I intended to... I'm going to bed.
I had a bunch written but I'm too tired to make sense and this discussion is going way beyond the show now and I've been spending way too much time reading the penal codes for Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio and Rhode Island looking for more accurate information. But I was not saying that incest was defined as marriage and having never looked this up before I was just surprised about those four states when it came to adults though at least in Michigan after doing more reading it actually falls under criminal sexual conduct laws as a 3rd degree felony (750.520d) which was introduced in 1996 or 4th degree misdemeanor (750.520e) so that's wrong in the Wiki, I wonder what else is. Still, looks like it's the case with the three other states and really when it comes down to it though the law isn't something easily enforced since the odds of two consenting adults being caught are slim unless they're out there telling people or they have family who knows. I imagine it happens a lot more frequently than a lot of people think...
The thing with Barry and Iris though is something where like I said, I doubt either (Barry certainly doesn't) look at the other as a sibling and it's still a TV show and not real life but I agree that they could've handled it better. But for all we know they could do time travel and something could change.
Annnnd I still wrote more than I intended to... I'm going to bed.
simplythebest
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for a bit, but as you can't have Firestorm without Killer Frost, so she will become a villain eventually.
But will Cisco finally become Vibe? Will his powers be like the New 52 version were it can cut a Speedster from the Speed Force?
Will we ever see Gorilla Grodd?
the_firewithin
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so we are all in agreement that obviously the S2 thread title will be "We were all struck by lightning" correct
Two things:
People expect way too much from Network TV (CW, Fox, etc) with shows like The Flash, Arrow, Gotham, and Agents of Shield. There's a reason these shows aren't airing on HBO, Showtime, or AMC.
People can't accept the fact that shows or movies based on comic books will always have some corniness and hammy acting in it.
People expect way too much from Network TV (CW, Fox, etc) with shows like The Flash, Arrow, Gotham, and Agents of Shield. There's a reason these shows aren't airing on HBO, Showtime, or AMC.
People can't accept the fact that shows or movies based on comic books will always have some corniness and hammy acting in it.
Out of the speedforce and into the friendzone
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Wait, Firestorm is a bad guy? I thought he was a good guy. And Killer Frost being a bad guy in this world, wouldn't make sense if Firestorm was a good guy,
Aw yeah.
Aw yeah.
Discotheque
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This is probably why I think comics are better suited for TV. allows for multiple plot arcs and characters being developed
But I still prefer the best of the movies over tv
It's good to have both tho, and I'm glad comic book shows are getting better now
redfiend00
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Does raid gear come in different stat varieties?
i got some boots with str/int but i want int/disc
i got some boots with str/int but i want int/disc
It makes you go faster
Wreck-It Ralph
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I don't understand why you guys like to spoil everything that's coming up for yourselves.
Also I wish you guys would make sure to keep the spoilers in spoiler tags instead of openly talking about stuff like Firestorm and Killer Frost.
Also I wish you guys would make sure to keep the spoilers in spoiler tags instead of openly talking about stuff like Firestorm and Killer Frost.
redfiend00
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oops wrong thread lol just noticed :O
I don't think those things are spoilers its like saying lets not mention Clark Kent is Superman. Yeah it might be cool going in blind to those things but if you really wanted that you wouldn't be in the Flash OT.
Sure, but there's a difference between unenforceable and acceptable... if you're a legal positivist the outlawing is condemnation of the behavior (thus an audience, hopefully, finding it creepy) where as the allowances in the exceptional States might be seen as legal realists who accept it's largely unenforceable thus not worth litigating. Maybe.
Ugh, you're right we've totally derailed on this point. I just assume that you're as prone to legal research as I and found it diverting irrespective of the argument. Otherwise, if you were genuinely trying to prove a point, I'm genuinely sorry, I didn't mean to waste your time on a collateral matter.
I think they'll keep the relationship primarily in the present and preteen past, which should mostly avoid any icky-factor.
Hah, ok, sorry, but the thought came to me... I wonder if Joe survives to see the relationship blossom and whether or not he endorses it.
He's talking about character arcs for side characters and villains that only people who read comics know about. There's a general rule in TV threads that you spoiler tag stuff that hasn't aired in episodes yet.
I mean, it's not that hard to do this:
comic spoilers
I can't wait until Cisco becomes The Hulk!
It's gonna be hot when Barry has his gay love affair with Professor Zoom
Personally, I don't care. But it's not an unreasonable request from non-comic readers so that they can be surprised when stuff happens in their TV show.
The incest talk is really fucking weird. It's not like its an actual issue in the show in any way. The GoT thread could use some posters.
I don't think its unreasonable but I just don't think those things are spoilers. You go to imdb and Robbie Amell is listed as Firestorm first Reynolds second. The casting announcements were the same I think. His secret identity isn't a spoiler and the fact he isn't dead isn't a spoiler.
Now Caitlin might be a spoiler seeing as she isn't the first Killer Frost in the comics. The previous incarnation might end up taking the mantle. But considering she has a relationship with Reynolds on the show its not a huge mystery.
Don't give Wozzly any ideas
I'm not sure if they're allowed him, Arrow wasn't allowed Ted Kord. Something's up with the Blue Beetle.
The Dark Knight is certainly better written, shot, acted, and directed than any superhero/comic book TV show I've ever seen.
For what it's worth, I'm digging The Flash.
Probably had or have plans for another TV show separate from the Arrowverse.
Never happening
That's not good. blue beetle needs some recognition and Cisco needs to show more butt. The last part was for me
Never wondered it, don't particularly want to see it, but if you started to list off everything that we've seen (and were glad to see) in Smallville over the course of its ten seasons while we were still in episode 2 of that show, I would've said you were out of your mind.
For something that starts off as just a street-level guy that runs fast and does science, Flash can take you to totally crazy cosmic places and trippy times. If the show runs long enough, I could envision and entire season arc where Barry has to get home from some far off time or dimension and each episode is in another nutty place / time like Dr. Who or Quantum Leap. That sounds completely bonkers, but if you've read The Flash, you know that actually happens to Wally!
simplythebest
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He needs to cause the Flashpoint on the show first so Pandora can show up at the end and merge every Superhero show into one continuity. Creating the New 52 I suppose
That's pretty much my wondering.
Also, with all the new DC movies and shows coming up, I wonder if they'll get boxed into what and who they can/can't interact with. Given what they have to work with, I wonder how long they'd go until they exploit multiverse avenues for episodes. Smallville did it a few times, but The Flash is a little more prone to that kind of thing.
I'm not saying it NEEDS TO HAPPEN or even will, but it'd sure be fun.
call_kotaku
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the collective awfulness of Man of Steel and Green Lantern is enough to overpower the quality of the Nolan Batmans
Is there a reason for this in The Flash thread... what is going on these days
I think it's the medication I took, everything is confusing
If it goes long enough, yeah maybe.
I think the expansion of properties are going to be less boxed in than ever before. We know that CBS is doing Supergirl and that her unnamed cousin is mentioned in the press release. Gotham is, of course, filled with Batman lore. Flash is also in two different mediums. I think somewhere along the line, DC finally wised up and realized embargoes aren't the best idea. Licensees may still try to lock stuff down, but I think DC knows to try to keep stuff as open as possible.
When you watched the- sadly seemingly retired- DC Nation block on cartoon network, targeted at children- the audience most likely to be confused by variations on characters... DC instead bombarded those kids with a plethora of mixed shorts of all sorts of styles, tones, and continuities featuring some of the same overlapping characters.
If they're willing to show those young, easily addled, impressionable minds multiple versions of their characters without fear of confusion, then I think they're much more open to multiple versions of their characters and lore targeted at- hopefully- more sophisticated and older audiences.
Not saying stuff won't get boxed off... just perhaps a whole lot less than in the past.
I think the expansion of properties are going to be less boxed in than ever before. We know that CBS is doing Supergirl and that her unnamed cousin is mentioned in the press release. Gotham is, of course, filled with Batman lore. Flash is also in two different mediums. I think somewhere along the line, DC finally wised up and realized embargoes aren't the best idea. Licensees may still try to lock stuff down, but I think DC knows to try to keep stuff as open as possible.
When you watched the- sadly seemingly retired- DC Nation block on cartoon network, targeted at children- the audience most likely to be confused by variations on characters... DC instead bombarded those kids with a plethora of mixed shorts of all sorts of styles, tones, and continuities featuring some of the same overlapping characters.
If they're willing to show those young, easily addled, impressionable minds multiple versions of their characters without fear of confusion, then I think they're much more open to multiple versions of their characters and lore targeted at- hopefully- more sophisticated and older audiences.
Not saying stuff won't get boxed off... just perhaps a whole lot less than in the past.
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