The Flash |OT| Gotta Go Fast - Tuesdays 8/7c
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Well uhm, speed force?
Wreck-It Ralph
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"Sorry, no physical contact."
30 seconds later, they hug and the cop says nothing.
30 seconds later, they hug and the cop says nothing.
I cry eery teim
Incendiary
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I'm catching the rerun right now and this show has no business being this good. Seriously, I think I like it more than Arrow already.
JokerAceX
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Aren't Firestorm and Metamorpho supposed to appear in the show at some point? especially since Catilin maybe come Killer Frost at some point in the series...
Hours Left
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I just want him to stand up and stab someone at the end, every time.
Delivery Person: "Here's your pizza sir."
*stab*
Wells: "Keep the change."
Spectromixer
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Where was the Firestorm reference? Totally missed that.
They mentioned Ronnie Raymond by name, was that it? He's Caitlin's presumed deceased fiance.
Stagg is the man who creates Metamorpho.I don't get it, is Stagg a important name.
I don't really read flash comics
What's up with your tag?
Spectromixer
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The tv and movie universes are seperate, and I think it's for the best.
He's already been cast, it's Robbie Amell, and he's appearing next week. Martin Stein has also been cast (and it's Victor Garber).
Metamorpho :O
Incendiary
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I don't know anything about Flash, but when Harrison Wells said "yeah, he's missed" about Caitlin's fiance, I was thinking maybe he means "yeah, he's mist" and he comes back as some sort of smoke person.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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That's what I'm wondering. He seems to want Flash to succeed, but murdering people to do? A deranged Barry Allen? Or Barry's ally from the future who came back to change the past? Or Reverse Flash/ Zoom doing something totally insane?
simplythebest
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"But you don't know what you don't know. And I hope your clever enough to figure it out before somebody gets killed."
Not sure what he meant by that.
How long before we see Barry end up causing the Flashpoint on the show?
Not sure what he meant by that.
How long before we see Barry end up causing the Flashpoint on the show?
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Probably is a season ender or something they're working up to.
Escape Goat
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He says they have 5 minutes too. I guess he read the script.
simplythebest
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Future Barry going back in time, no qualms with killing people? Doesn't seem right to me.
simplythebest
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Wondering if by the time he returns as Firestorm, will Caitlin have finally become New 52 Killer Frost? That should really put a new dynamic on their relationship seeing as how Firestorm is the only person who could provide her with the unlimited heat she needs to stay alive.
Flash S1 has to end with crazy white-haired Jay Garrick time-travelling to the present and grabbing Barry.
JAY: YA KIDS, BARRY, SOMETHING'S GOTTA BE DONE ABOUT YOUR KIDS.'
Then.
BARRY: Don't we need road?
JAY: Where we're going we don't need... roads.
(beat)
BARRY: Kinda do for running.
JAY: Yeah, we really do.
PHOENIXZERO
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They were like 11 and friends before what happened, they really shouldn't have had Iris say they were like brother and sister since they weren't but I guess maybe that's how she views it for whatever reason but I'd chalk it up to her thinking that because of their closeness from growing up together and just not into Barry in that kind of way, not that she literally views Barry as her brother which would be weird, it's more of a "I love you like a brother" friend zoning kind of thing.
With some states having restrictions or laws against non-blood related siblings having relationships or marrying I have to imagine there has to be some age based exceptions. It's still infinitely less icky than actually being related. At 11 I doubt those psychological effects at that strong, if in place at all. Saying Joe is like his father is really no different from a kid who maybe had a male role model in his life or a friend who's parent was also a parental figure to them. I'm sure a lot of people who had "childhood sweethearts" or whatever where a parent on one side or the other was like a parental figure to the person who wasn't actually their mother or father. I think it's more along the line of that.
Also surprisingly intimate relationships between siblings isn't flat out outlawed in the U.S. Though likely banned from marrying everywhere and there's plenty of states where marriage between first cousins is still allowed with and with-out restrictions and still many states where it is outlawed will recognize the marriages from states.
Joe was there.
They mention Ronnie and Multiplex is a Firestorm villain.
EDIT: Forgot I wanted to go back to this.
If Iris West is the low point of the show then I think we're doing just fine.
Giving Felicity a damn run for that dress-swag crown.
I'm rewatching Arrow's second season and yesterday one of the episodes I watched had a flashback with
Sara
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Another wonderful episode. Grant kills it as The Flash with the most endearing performance on TV and Iris is nowhere near as bad as I thought she'd be. I may even like her. Jesse L. Martin is also doing a fine job as Joe; it's kind of a trite character all things considered, but he's giving him a lot of life and heart.
Highs:
Lows:
Also, Harrison Wells is totally
, right?
Highs:
- The speed effects are amazing, specially for a TV show
- DAT TREADMILL
- Grant keeps being so damn likeable
- Joe keeps being so damn likeable
Lows:
- Villain was kind of blah
- That "you are not my father" scene was cringe worthy. I love Grant, but that wasn't good
- Detective McBlondie Muttonchops is about as charismatic as a door knob
Also, Harrison Wells is totally
Doc Zoom
I'm starting to like this show and to think I gave up on network tv for Netflix. Hope to see this show on netflix after the first season. Oh and Cisco is sexy in this episode. He needs me as a boyfriend
And stupid me I finally noticed Barry's real dad is the actor who played the Flash in the first flash tv series.
And stupid me I finally noticed Barry's real dad is the actor who played the Flash in the first flash tv series.
Well he won't be killing the Rogues, that isn't how either of them roll.
I'm thinking he's just
Zoom (not Professor)
Spiritreaver
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The only thing I don't like about this show is that the campy style with the bad writing can get old at times. Arrow doesn't have great writing at times either, but it doesn't make my eyes roll.
I'm really impressed how it's so good already though. Second episode and I already want to see the next.
I honestly don't give a fuck about SHIELD anymore now.
I'm really impressed how it's so good already though. Second episode and I already want to see the next.
I honestly don't give a fuck about SHIELD anymore now.
PHOENIXZERO
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As an 80s/early 90s kid who was into plenty of cheesy shows I don't mind the cheese when there's an awareness to it as there is with Arrow and Flash. If the shows took themselves too seriously it'd be a lot worse.
It can be annoying but don't have any issue with it so far since both of those guys are kind of irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and the first one sets up things potentially.
It can be annoying but don't have any issue with it so far since both of those guys are kind of irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and the first one sets up things potentially.
Joe didn't take him though. If you remember the flashback scene before that Barry was missing from the house. Joe walks in a few minutes into the scene and Barry says "I ran here Joe wouldn't bring me, he wouldn't let me see you"
Weird thing to fret over, but what prison would allow an accused wife killer to see his kids unaccompanied?
PHOENIXZERO
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Oh yeah... I thought that scene was weird but figured they were just hiding Joe and he ended up finding and taking Barry in to finally hear from his dad that he's the one who didn't want him there.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Danielle Panabaker is on fire! Next week has some crazy additions.
Yeah that is two episodes where he doesn't use his super speed for something obvious. He could have easily dodged the bullet from weather dude and cop dude wouldn't have to shoot him.
Betting it's going to be Zoom with a whole type of storyline about "I'm nothing without you, and in the future you vanish, leaving me with nothing blabla (joker/batman type of scenario)." So he wants to go back in time and create the perfect nemesis, aka the perfect hero, and prevent The Flash from vanishing/dying/whatever in the future and so helps Barry in his own bizarre way. Betting he killed Barry's mom. Dude is just too creepy/evil yet altruistic at the same time and I think that hints towards his noble goal not truly having noble intentions.
Anyhow, that's just my speculation.
Still icky though. I like the Joe relationship. It fixes a lot of the problems with Rebirth (the Flash origin reboot) in terms of Barry's adult character motivations and shows the impact on a preteen foster kid. I don't get the point of making them foster siblings in the same household.
Since Joe's wife / Iris's mother is out of the picture, it wouldn't have taken much to say, "Iris's mom had custody of Iris, I had custody of Barry, so they saw each other all the time but didn't live under the same roof."
Eh, I disagree. The whole reason for the prohibition is almost listed by Iris. "I slept one door down the hall from you, I can tell all of your feelings, etc." All fine in a purely platonic or sisterly relationship... but creepy if in an unreciprocated lust. The reason such relationships are frowned upon is because as co-habitants, they have uncommon access and influence on one another, so there's an issue of the relationship being- potentially- less honestly freewill and more, "I stalked you and manipulated you until it was legal."
I get that's not the case here, but don't get why they didn't avoid the issue entirely by putting Iris in a different house. I mean we're lucky we see them as cute innocent kids and independent romantic adults... but imagine those icky teenage years if Barry has been hung up on Iris since then.
It's not show breaking by any means (...yet) so long as they keep it light.
I think that's their take and I accept that, the main difference is that- typically- the significant other doesn't live under the same roof as the sweetheart and their parents, for over a decade!
No, that's definitely not true!
Via wiki:
"In the United States the District of Columbia and every state have some form of codified incest prohibition. In all states, incest is sexual activity between a lineal ancestor and a lineal descendant (parent, grandparent with child or grandchild), siblings (brother-sister) and aunt-nephew, uncle-niece."
Again, typically first-cousins don't live under the same roof during their sexual awakenings for over a decade!
Sorry, I'm being pedantic on this. It's definitely not a huge issue and I'm not trying to MAKE anyone creeped out if they weren't. Overall, I'm sure it'll be fine, I'm just wondering if there's a better explanation for making them quasi-siblings.
EDIT: "Over a decade" is wrong... Barry indicates Joe dropped him off at college, so they probably lived together from age 11 to 18... but those are still some intense and formative years.
Rafa=FedKilla
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I'm still on the edge of my seat for the Patty casting....
PHOENIXZERO
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I'll agree with that... I hope they'll alter it so that Iris didn't live full time with her father. Maybe weekends or every other weekend or something, I hope this comes up. >_<
We don't know how long Barry or Iris lived together yet do we? I might be forgetting a mention of it.
I was reading that early, should check the rest of the paragraph.
"However, individual statutes vary widely. Rhode Island has repealed its criminal incest statute;[52] Ohio "targets only parental figures",[52] and New Jersey and Michigan do not apply any penalties when both parties are 18 resp. 16 years of age or older."
"Incest prohibition" boils down to marriage restrictions in those states aside from the Ohio thing. Michigan for example hasn't had a law against it since 1975 when it was repealed, they just cannot get married. Like I said, not across the board.
Again, was there a mention in the episode that they lived together for over a decade? They were 11 at the time or at least Barry was and I imagine Iris was also 11, Barry and/or Iris could've moved out at 18 as far as we know unless there was a mention that I missed. Kids approaching that who only just started living together probably not have developed that psychological mechanism or at least as strongly as kids who started off several years younger.
EDIT: Okay that took way too long because I went and double checked what the Wiki was saying, I see your over the decade edit so never mind that. Like I said I really hope Iris's mom is still alive so she lived with her and maybe Joe got her on the week ends or something... Maybe it'll get altered by time travel... Yeah that's it!
EDIT2: Laws in some states make it so it would depend on if Joe officially adopted Barry or not.
Three out of fifty one districts and only one if out-of-bounds on age!
I have a serious problem* with characterizing the U.S. stance on sibling incest as:
"Also surprisingly intimate relationships between siblings isn't flat out outlawed in the U.S." and mere "marriage restrictions."
When it is outlawed in 50 of 51 districts and incest is defined as sexual intimacy (not marriage) in ALL jurisdictions.
*Not with you personally, but I don't want anyone getting the idea that they can go off and copulate with their sibling without repercussion in the U.S. because they're not getting married.
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