The Flash |OT| Gotta Go Fast - Tuesdays 8/7c
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Jorok Goldblade
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If Wells is Zoom, I predict that Henry Allen's conviction is overturned when Zoom is publicly sighted, and he takes Wells' place on Team Flash.
Thats what I thought too, but when
he threatened joe it was also red and yellow. I dont think Barry would've known about this and travelled back in time to try and stop this since Joe never told him about it happening
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Flash punched through that heavy bag without a running start. Speed counts for a lot relative to power.
Wiktor
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Strenght of a punch is inndeed in large part based on speed. .That said, I don't think his punches are strong enogh to kill anyone. He already superpunched Olie couple times in the jaw during the fight and it obviously had big effect, but it did not kill him.
As people already said, Oliver surivived punches from Mirakured men and they're definitely are a lot stronger than anything Barry can pull without couple miles of acceleration.
The other people seemed to go for kill shots if they had the opportunity, but they never bothered to make big planned attacks. So he would never go for the long range attack, but he would be going for kill shots if he had the possibility.
Wiktor
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A punch with few miles build up only works if your enemy more or less stays in the same place for the time you accelerate though
Discotheque
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Amell's awful acting is on display way too often for sure. They gotta chill with giving him these monologues all the time because he's not selling them anymore. He's at his best when he doesn't have that stick up his butt like the end of the episode. I await the day he chills
I think it's safe to say Moira might have been the best actor on the series, Barrowman and Manu were entertaining as well
I still lol at the member trying to argue that Amell was to Oliver like Robert Downey jr is to Tony.
Discotheque
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yeah you should catch up unless you want to be spoiled on a big event.
That was me and he definitely was. Have you heard of green arrow before? Has there been 5 DC shows and 7 superhero shows before? Arrow exploded this trend and Amell definitely played a huge role there. If you don't think his acting works, fine, but you cant deny his contribution.
So you've seen the first 7 of Flash already? Eh You could have been watching the episodes concurrently til 7. Then chronologically Flash 8 happens before Arrow 8. You can marathon the first 7 eps in either series before the crossover. The only semi spoilerish thing was the Felicity cameo.
Discotheque
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it started this huge uptake in dc dramas for sure but green arrow actor is ultimately disposable (when it translates to film). if they ever decide to cast the character in justice league i doubt there will be a big deal made over amell not being queen.
i'd also argue that chris evans (or hemsworth) don't own their roles either.
only ones in recent memory that truly are ingrained onto their character and will always draw comparisons are hugh jackman wolverine and downey jr. stark.
good luck recasting those two.
Discotheque
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Batman's become James Bond-tier now. So many different actors, and everybody has a favorite.
I don't think any other comic book character will get that.
I don't think any other comic book character will get that.
as i was reading your post i thought to myself, "man these shows really do stay true to comic books"
just wait. the first 6 episodes of S3 Arrow are pretty rough, but once you get to Arrow 7 -> Flash 7 -> Arrow 8 it's gonna be so amazing you're gonna lose your shit.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Caitlyn getting some personality and material to work with is great. She is actually becoming a good character. Things will definitely intensify with that tease at the end of the last episode. They could do so much with Firestorm, especially if they go wth the classic version. Parallels and foils to Wells and Barry.
Nothing about his performance is special enough to anchor Arrow as needing him for it to work.
Grant Gustin is an example of someone who actually is utterly endearing enough that he does achor The Flash.
Ignatz Mouse
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I'll give you Helmsworth but Evans totally sells and inhabits his character. The fact that it's against type for Evans really works.
I'd say Evans is a better Human Torch than he is a Captain America while completely acknowledging that is role in Captain America is better acted and written. If both films were equal quality, I'd say his role as Human Torch would be the best fit.
Wiktor
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Yes. He will never win any Emmy, but he quite impressive range. Playing like 5 versions of the same character and making each one of them very distinct to the point where you can immiedetelly tell where on a timeline is quite a feat.
Plus it might be shallow, but Ammell sells superhero physicallity better than any other actor. He's the first actor that looked and moved well enough to convince me he could pull of the moves his character does and in a show without superpowers that's extremely valuable.
Yeah Amell is ok, the problem is I think the show runners want him to portray modern day Ollie too emotionless and straight. As you said he has shown he can portray Ollie more emotional in the flashbacks over the last few seasons.
Jest Chillin
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He only did that because Eddie taught him to punch through the target, instead of AT it. A lesson that he still hasn't committed to memory.
The Strength of a punch has very little to do with speed at all actually. It has more to do with follow through and weight distribution. If you plant your feet square and punch at a target, you're not going to hit it very hard because you're losing too much energy. However with the proper stance, rotation at the hips, and follow through.. you'll hit much harder even if the punch is much slower because you're transferring energy much more efficiently.
Completely disagree on Evans. He totally owns Cap.
Ignatz Mouse
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He's a fine but forgettable Torch. He's a great Cap.
I've never found Cap interesting (even when he's got a good writer on his books) but the movies made me like him.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I agree, especially considering the production schedule this show has. They don't have the time to do take after take to get the best performance.
But when the show has needed him to really perform, Amell has always been able to pull it off.
I agree
I like him more as the Human Torch, but he gets more props for being Cap because he has a better role and movie.
Wiktor
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You're talking about human punches though. Which are very slow. There isn't a huge speed difference between a punch by amateur and professional boxer speed wise. When you start to aproach big speeds this changes radically. Bullet is able to penetrate not becauuse of weight distribution, but becaue of speed. Barry hitting Oliver in regular human speed so many times would barely make any effect.
Ayup.
BronsonLee
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...Oh SHIT I didn't make that connection
It happened at the end of season 2, in episode 20.
Oh. I was marathoning it all in the summer. Makes sense for it to happen around moiras death.
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From this spoilerific picture,
RF looks an awful lot like Grant Gustin. Maybe it's actually neither of them?
L4DANathan
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He said "that man," closed captions confirms it. Though he could have pronounced it that way intentionally, I suppose
WHAT!? I rewatched it like 5 times to make sure I heard it right. There's no way that was unintentional. And now I'm sad, THANKS GAF.
Miles Quaritch
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Okay, I re-watched the fight and you're right that he caught Barry when his back was turned. That's my bad, so sorry for that and thanks for the correction.
I still maintain that Barry could have won the fight, but chose to go for teaching Oliver that he didn't his help and training and wanted to show him he was fully capable on his own.
Still, it was pretty cool in a "Batman beats the crap out of Superman" way to see Oliver show he was able to roll with Flash and hold his own.
Jest Chillin
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A bullet is completely different than the human body in that a bullet is a much harder object. Barry is fast but his body isn't stronger than normal. Without optimizing the way his body transfers energy during a punch, much of the energy is lost on contact as it would be transferred back through his own arm. This is essentially what happened when he punched bootleg Colossus the first time and why the solution Cisco came up with would have actually obliterated Barry's arm in the process.
This is illustrated quite well when people brake boards and bricks with their heads, hands, and feet. They don't accomplish this by moving faster but in optimizing the transfer of force. If they COULD move faster, they would succeed in the break but would harm themselves quite badly if they didn't transfer the force of that speed correctly because they would receive a considerable portion of that force right back.
Napoleonthechimp
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I'll put everything I am or have on the two of them duking it out in the past.
Wiktor
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I think it is, either becase "lol.. comic book logic" or they already starting to use speedforce protection, just without revealing it yet.. If Barry's body wouldn't be somehow protected from damage when achieving big speeds his hand would bassicaly explode into tiny pieces of meat and bones after he hit hard metal jaw going at mach 1.
More_Badass
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Well that extended trailer
has Barry running in street clothes with lightning coming off him, so yeah I'd say the speedforce is already in effect
Septimus Prime
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I'm pretty sure speed force is already in effect. The way he carries and moves people around at speed, the acceleration would kill them if not for speed force.
Jest Chillin
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The only thing we can reasonably assume is that Speed Force is in play when we see Barry's Eyes go yellow. So far he has to be particularly emotionally charged to tap into it. We didn't see any sign of that in the Arrow fight (and I'd say the fact that Ollie eventually did hit Barry when he was in motion around him supports that he wasn't using it then). I don't think this is because he was holding back but because he can't flip it on and off like a switch just yet but he's getting there.
This one I'm not sure about. I though about it myself when I was watching the ep but there was no telltale visuals of Speed Force that I could discern.
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