call_kotaku
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the delivery of "you could've had everything you've ever wanted!" was pretty amazing. The one time he's shown just absolute rage
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lCeyf8t.jpg[/IMG]Man that entire scene was pretty amazing. Tom Cavanagh killed it as Wells/Eobard/RF.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
oh god no
Ignatz Mouse
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It's not close to the comics, really at all, but it is unhinged and creative I the way that a lot of comics are. It really doesn't make sense but it's so damn fun.
Supporting this. Maybe one DCTV in Communtiy where all spoilers and news can get posted freely and one in Off-Topic so newbies can enter and communicate safely.
Also a ban on Olicity in the open Off-Topic Thread, so newbies don't run away or get punched in the daily brawl.
Yeah we should definitely get a DCTV thread. I would've preferred it to be in OT but if it has to stay in the community section that's fine.
Yep Cavanagh killed it just like he has the entire season. He's gotten to play many different variations of the same character and it seems he'll get to do another next season.
idk man, I tend to forget about Community threada quickly. Maybe a DCTV News thread for Off Topic would be better.
When he asked Barry at the end, how would he manage without him, that's what I thought about...
Just subscribe to it. And you could still use the OT one with propler spoiler tagging.
Maybe we can ask Mr. Cornballer, do a thread in OT to start and move it over to Community after a week or two so people know they exist?
Napoleonthechimp
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Given that Cavanagh only signed up for the role due to knowing he'd be the RF I wonder how he'd feel about only playing the good/original Wells going forward. If that is indeed what happens.
Because things just happen. And it could be terrible to mess with time in any way. You know the saying: the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and the needs of the few outweighs the needs of the french.
Napoleonthechimp
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Because when he was younger he saw himself do that. So he's just repeating what he saw. Basically, he can't think for himself.
Or... his older self had way more experience and fully understood the consequences of what younger Barry was going to do.
Because saving his mother makes things so much worse that he eventually has to go back and prevent himself from saving her. Future Flash in this episode obviously already went through all that and wants to spare our Flash the experience.
Poodlestrike
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Easy answer: because that's not Original Timeline Flash, that's "Barry saves his mom" timeline Flash, and things go badly sideways for some reason. So he's like "just no, man."
The Technomancer
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Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
ChoklitReign
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I just finished it on DVR and I want to address some plotholes I caught and if they can be answered.
1. Eobard is now imprisoned in STAR Lab's all-purpose, all-superpower-proof cells even though he can phase through any matter. I assume the cells are made of this universe's unobtanium? Can't it be used to defeat metahumans without the Flash learning a new ability every episode?
2. Eobard has screwed with the past at least 3 times to make things right for him even though the only reason is because he becomes enemies with the Flash. Why not just never travel back in time and never meet Barry? Do they become enemies in the near future (circa 2024) or Eobard's future (2100s)?
3. Apparently Mach 2 is the confirmed speed Barry needs to travel to go back in time by creating a wormhole. Where to begin? That makes about as much sense as a plutonium-powered DeLorean having to go a mere 88 MPH to time travel. I don't know what properties Barry has that gives him this magic ability at that particular speed, but we've had aircraft capable of greater than Mach 2 for decades and you don't see space shuttles opening up wormholes.
3.5. Continuing from the last point, Barry must have traveled M2 before since he's already time traveled, so either Caitlin is mistaken or the circumstances of that way of TTing were different from the new way.
4. So how did they invent Wells' time machine? Did Cisco build it in their spare time of, what, 3 days? That kid is an underrated supergenius.
Not a plothole but my DVR stopped right when Barry's dad saw the building collapse. What happened next? Judging from reactions that basically was the end.
1. Eobard is now imprisoned in STAR Lab's all-purpose, all-superpower-proof cells even though he can phase through any matter. I assume the cells are made of this universe's unobtanium? Can't it be used to defeat metahumans without the Flash learning a new ability every episode?
2. Eobard has screwed with the past at least 3 times to make things right for him even though the only reason is because he becomes enemies with the Flash. Why not just never travel back in time and never meet Barry? Do they become enemies in the near future (circa 2024) or Eobard's future (2100s)?
3. Apparently Mach 2 is the confirmed speed Barry needs to travel to go back in time by creating a wormhole. Where to begin? That makes about as much sense as a plutonium-powered DeLorean having to go a mere 88 MPH to time travel. I don't know what properties Barry has that gives him this magic ability at that particular speed, but we've had aircraft capable of greater than Mach 2 for decades and you don't see space shuttles opening up wormholes.
3.5. Continuing from the last point, Barry must have traveled M2 before since he's already time traveled, so either Caitlin is mistaken or the circumstances of that way of TTing were different from the new way.
4. So how did they invent Wells' time machine? Did Cisco build it in their spare time of, what, 3 days? That kid is an underrated supergenius.
Not a plothole but my DVR stopped right when Barry's dad saw the building collapse. What happened next? Judging from reactions that basically was the end.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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1. They established a power dampener AND anti-speedster nanotech in the previous episode. Did you forget that?
2. Not explained yet, at least why Eobard originally time travels to fight Barry. Comics tell us it's due to obsession.
3. Yes Mach 2 was surprisingly slow. I believe the atom crashing into it was the point more than the speed itself but they didn't make it too clear.
4. They specifically state in the episode that Wells has been collecting the parts for years. And he's from the future where a time machine has been created before. So Cisco was just putting pieces together.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
I'm not sure those cells could hold him. I think part of the reason the crew decided to let him go back to his own time was because they weren't sure if they could hold him either
They said that Eobard already built the parts and they just need to assemble it
mechashiva
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That was my take.
Oh I have no doubt we'll see Barry do it on his own at some point. They don't hold much back with this show.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Based Eddie
Just_myles
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Poodlestrike said:
That can't be possible. It has to be one huge time paradox. That Barry has to be contemporary Barry from the future. Remember, his only task was to save his child self from Reverse Flash and NOT to save his mother whom he should have grown up not having. We as of yet, have not seen "Flash Alpha" that Reverse Flash describes yet.
Now if you mean to say that Barry saving his younger self and leaving back to his original timeline where his mother had lived... nah it doesn't make sense if we look at that way..
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Is it not showing up full size?
I could see Eddie returning as The Black Flash, a shadowy specter of death ejected from... beyond.
There's no such thing as time paradoxes in The Flash. Just speed force explanations.
Again if he's anything like Tommy I don't see them sabotaging his heroic character moment by making him a villain later. They'll respect his actions.
Again if he's anything like Tommy I don't see them sabotaging his heroic character moment by making him a villain later. They'll respect his actions.
Just_myles
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ZeroX03 said:
I can half accept that. But, even the speed force(that doesn't have to explain anything) adheres to simple sci-fi time logic.
Okay, but did you factor in Vibeforce and Rip Hunterforce? That's 3x they ain't gotta explain shit.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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They'll respect Eddie's actions, but if forces beyond our reality twist what's left of him into a shadowy specter, how is that sabotaging his character?
Either he could come back as a new Reverse Flash who is 'dedicated' to making Flash a better hero or he comes back as a grim reaper sort who is haunting Flash.
I mean maybe Black Flash but I don't think they'd make him conscious of what he's doing.
Really don't see him going the Zoom route either at this point. There's no precedent for it. Unlike Hunter he willing chose to die. There's no resentment there.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Maybe some nefarious force possesses his body to become the Black Flash. That'd be cool, allows Cosnett to play something else.
I found it oddly endearing that Reverse Flash asked CIsco for help when Eddie shot himself.
Yes, Eobard genuinely loves Cisco. Now of course his extreme personality means he prioritizes returning to his future above everything including Cisco's life but the affection was real.
Eobard also partly inherited Wells' memories and personality (according to a deleted scene) so we could get something of that relationship back depending on how they choose to take Cavanagh next season.
The Technomancer
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As an aside, I just love the name Reverse Flash. Its so dumb and dorky and its the kind of thing that, in adaptions ten years ago, might have gotten changed to something else
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