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The Formula 1 2011/2012 Off-Season Thread |OT| The Year of the Red Bull

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ANDY_098

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Erm....the cars will be going at 200mph round a circuit - im sure the brush strokes will disappear after a few laps....

These guys are professionals you know. Not like us idiots commenting on a Internet forum.

Maybe, but I would imagine using a spray is much more reliable as it gives a uniform thickness compared to a brush.

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[B]Today's times:[/B]

[B]Pos  Driver         Team            Time                Laps
[/B] 1.  Hulkenberg     Force India     1m22.608s           112
 2.  Perez          Sauber          1m22.648s  +0.040   85
 3.  Vettel         Red Bull        1m22.891s  +0.283   104
 4.  Alonso         Ferrari         1m23.180s  +0.572   87
 5.  Ricciardo      Toro Rosso      1m23.639s  +1.031   48
 6.  Hamilton       McLaren         1m23.806s  +1.198   120
 7.  Rosberg        Mercedes        1m24.555s  +1.947   82
 8.  Bottas         Williams        1m25.738s  +3.130   117
 9.  Petrov         Caterham        1m26.605s  +3.997   69
10.  Pic            Marussia        1m27.343s  +4.735   108
 
I agree with Lucius. These guys are paid to make these cars as good as possible. They know what they're doing.

Being an armchair analyst on something you know little about seems pointless. They will be doing that for a good reason.
 
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Edmond Dantès;35378186 said:
Alonso on Ferrari.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97633

I still expect Ferrari to be competitive come Melbourne.

After the interview I don't expect many changes. Ferrari will be somewhat competitive, but not good enough to beat McLaren or Red Bull. The F2012 seems to be much like the F150°, a P4 car with half a sec off the pace.

"It is true that we keep getting information about the car, information that sometimes we should already have in our pocket, but the car seems quite complex to understand and we need to keep understanding better what is the behaviour," said Alonso, who has now completed his two days of running for Ferrari at Barcelona.

"I remember last year in the first tests we did a race distance on the final day and we were 1.5 seconds behind Red Bull in Australia. So a race distance is always welcome, but I prefer to have a performing car and to find reliability, than to have a strong car that is slow."

When asked by AUTOSPORT if he felt there was potential in the car for it to be fighting for victory in Australia, Alonso said: "We [will] see. I think it is too early to say.
...

"At the moment we don't know exactly where we are.

...

But it is one area we need to improve: [the] exit of corners is one area where we are struggling, yes."
 

S. L.

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Edmond Dantès;35378186 said:
Alonso on Ferrari.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97633

I still expect Ferrari to be competitive come Melbourne.

people make way too much drama over the ferrari
the tests look alright, yes it's not the fastest, but it's also a new car and not an evolution.
also last pre-season massively backfired with them being not so competitive, so naturally they'll be a bit more cautions now.
that said i still expect RBR and McL to be the two teams to beat
 

Auto Motor und Sport bollocks.

To have completed more than 1000km in the past two days is incredibly encouraging – the whole team should feel proud.

The car behaves really well in the high-speed corners – I think the baseline of our car is higher than it was last year – and it’s better overall at high-speed. It’s performing well in Turns Three and Nine, too.

We don’t know the fuel-loads of the other cars, so it’s still hard to determine the pecking order. We didn’t bring any upgrades here, but our understanding of the car has developed since the test in Jerez. We’re learning more about how the tyres work, how the temperatures behave and how to balance the car using set-up. It’s been an extremely productive few days – and I think Jenson will continue to improve the car tomorrow.

Now, I’m just looking forward to the final test – it’s where you get a really good feeling of where the car will be. It’s also exciting!
 

Adamm

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I don't get this. Is it some kind of joke about how Finns love drinking? I didn't know they were famous for that.

If it's attempting to illustrate different podium celebration techniques, then that doesn't work either, because the Finns spray their champagne too.

I think Kimi always drinks first then sprays, maybe its a finnish thing?
Everyone else sprays then drinks
 

Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
Really nice picture of Hamilton in the McLaren that I found on F1Fanatic just now, thought it was worth a share.
Thanks for sharing.


James Allen's trackside observations.
However the picture is emerging of how the rest of the teams are shaping up and a good battle appears to be in prospect for the season. McLaren are not ahead of Red Bull, but nor did they expect to be. However they believe that they are likely to be close enough next week, once the definitive Melbourne specification parts are fitted to the cars, to know that they can take Red Bull on this season. It’s a long season with development again likely to be the key and McLaren look happy enough with where they are.

Ferrari’s disappointment has been well chronicled, but this is more disappointment that they are not ahead of Red Bull, as they expected they might be with the dramatic step change in direction they have taken. The signs are that they won’t be challenging for honours at the start of the season, but the car has potential and it’s really a question of whether they can get it working well soon enough to challenge for the championship. Understandably there is some nervousness about that in the team.

Meanwhile the Mercedes appears at first sight to be a good car with some interesting solutions in the diffuser, the exhausts and other areas, but it does not contain the silver bullet that some were expecting. It is a step forward for the Silver Arrows and should certainly bag some podiums this year, but whether it’s enough to challenge for the odd race win, it’s too early to say.

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BBC's Anderson
Everyone expects Red Bull to be disguising their true pace in winter testing, but from Wednesday's running it does not look as if they are. Sebastian Vettel's fastest lap was a 1:22.891 and when he started a race simulation run in the afternoon he was lapping in the 1:29s. That six-second margin is about what you'd expect it to be from a full load to a low-fuel run - so Vettel's fastest lap does appear to be on pretty low fuel. The off-set between Hamilton's laps on a race-type run and his fastest overall was about the same as Vettel's, and the margin between the race-distance lap-time averages and one-off laps was very similar for both drivers. All of which suggests the gap you see between Red Bull and McLaren on headline lap times is not far off the real one.
 

AcridMeat

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Just saw this,

"Mom builds 4-year-old spot-on replica of Red Bull’s 2012 Formula 1 car"
It's only mid-February, and already the world's best parent contest for 2012 appears all sewn up by a Japanese woman who spent a month building her 4-year-old son the ultimate video game station -- a cardboard replica of the 2012 Red Bull Formula 1 race car, accurate from the tail wings to the logos on the step nose.

As she describes in her blog, the woman -- a dedicated fan of Red Bull and F1 champ Sebastian Vettel -- says the project may still require tweaking, and she's not particularly happy with how the new nose came out. Working from a frame built before the RB8 was revealed, she finished the car based on photos and videos from the car's official introduction earlier this month. In addition to its detailed graphics and faithful reproduction of the aerodynamic bits, the car can fold up into thirds when not being used to speed Yoshi around on the Wii.

When asked if she could build a few more for non-family members, Formula Mom declined, simply encouraging others to build their own. Remember, all you need is some photos off the Internet, cardboard and an eye for building race cars that would make Adrian Newey envious. You've got the rest of the year to catch up, slackers.
rb8minicardboard.jpg

What a great thing for their kid.
 

Omiee

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if red bull dont have a edge on the start of the season i can see mclaren winning the first few races.

mclaren is much better than red bull at bringing upgrade parts. im not that confident about rbr's chances this year.
 

Adamm

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Edmond Dantès;35388128 said:
James Allen's trackside observations.


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BBC's Anderson
Interesting, so we could be up for a decent title battle this year!

Also, Ferrari set thier hopes a bit high didnt they? Hoping to be above the Red Bull, it sounds like they should be happy enough with thier car
 

Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
Significant F1 broadcasting news

“It’s the most significant moment for F1 since the advent of satellites,” says Eddie Baker, the man responsible for broadcasting F1 TV and data around the world.

Today in London, F1's commercial boss Bernie Ecclestone unveiled a deal which will transform the way live F1 races are broadcast and all forms of digital content are consumed.

It’s the key which opens up a door onto a new era for F1. Satellite TV revolutionised the sport in the late 1970s, by making it possible for millions of fans to watch races live around the world. This was Ecclestone’s first revolution, providing the platform which made F1 a global sport, raising billions in revenues.

This long-term deal with Tata Communications, providing fixed line connectivity, opens the door for endless possibilities, way beyond what satellites can do, including broadcasting F1 on the internet, for interactivity between audience and the broadcaster at the circuit.

Tata has the largest network of undersea cables in the world and using MPLS technology it’s very fast and cost effective compared to previous offerings.

The deal begins with Tata setting up fixed line connectivity at all the 20 Grands Prix for FOM to send its data, such as track maps. The capacity that FOM will start out with is ten times what is currently available. But they have proved out the model to 100x what’s currently available, so within a few years it will be the means by which the world feed TV pictures are broadcast, as there are no delays unlike satellite.

“Formula 1 wants to transform the way it broadcasts the races and we can and will be a big part of it,” said Vinod Kumar, CEO of Tata Communications.

It will also handle video playouts by all the broadcasters on site, all the communications by the media. It brings a standardisation to the means of delivery of content from F1 races. Basically it connects F1 to the world in a completely new way.

It increases the amount of connectivity time, as it’s always on, unlike a satellite which is on for a matter of hours and it’s bi-directional, which means it allows the audience to interact with the sport, rather than sit back and consume. It means the sport can have individual relationships with fans, can supply content on a global and even individual basis, looking well down the line.

It will also greatly reduce the tonnage of equipment that FOM TV sends around the world as images can be sent back instantly and processed at the FOM broadcast centre in the UK.

Ecclestone is renowned for being suspicious of the internet and has been accused of missing opportunities as a result. But according to Baker this deal opens the door to endless possibilities,

“It gives him the ability to be able to do whatever rights deals he feels are right without limitations,” said Baker. “That means he can assess every opportunity, he can react to every opportunity, he can move with the times in perhaps a way that we were not able to do in the past.”

Ecclestone himself quipped that he’d not done a deal like this previously because, “I’m getting old! “. But there’s no doubt that this is a complete game changer for the sport and the way fans receive it. As traditional broadcasters like ITV in the UK and TF1 in France struggle with the changing media model and the ability to afford massive rights deals, F1 will have to look in future to pay deals like SKY TV on the one hand and internet TV deals to find revenue and audience growth.

Whether he’s the man still doing the deals five years from now when this technology hits its stride remains to be seen. But it’s a deal F1 needed to do and it’s now well set for the future.
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And with that, F1 broadcasting is finally dragged into the 21st century.
 

Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
This might be a change of heart for Bernie, we may even eventually get a universal stream on the official website, like MotoGP (preferably HD) or even a youtube channel.
 

Bo-Locks

Member
What are the chances of FOM giving up its exclusive production rights and opening the sport up? Sky produced F1 was way ahead of its time and that's the only way the broadcasting will be thrown into the 21st century.
 

Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
What are the chances of FOM giving up its exclusive production rights and opening the sport up? Sky produced F1 was way ahead of its time and that's the only way the broadcasting will be thrown into the 21st century.
A very slim chance as long as the Ecclestone family are around. The daughters may be a bit more progressive than their father though. We'll just have to wait and see.
 

Adamm

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What are the chances of FOM giving up its exclusive production rights and opening the sport up? Sky produced F1 was way ahead of its time and that's the only way the broadcasting will be thrown into the 21st century.

I think thats risky. FOM do a decent job - if they give it up we could see alot of really poor coverage depends on what channel it moves too. It could be done better, but it could also be ALOT worse.
 

Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
I think thats risky. FOM do a decent job - if they give it up we could see alot of really poor coverage depends on what channel it moves too. It could be done better, but it could also be ALOT worse.
It could be the WRC...

Anyway, the official 2011 FIA Formula One World Championship season round-up is now available for members of the official FIA Formula One World Championship.
website.

http://www.formula1.com/video/?uid=2012022120R
 
I doubt FOM will be moving into web broadcasting any time soon as it would likely mean having to re-negotiate all of their existing broadcasting contracts around the world.

Unless their lawyers were very clever when they drafted up the contracts originally.
 

S. L.

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I doubt FOM will be moving into web broadcasting any time soon as it would likely mean having to re-negotiate all of their existing broadcasting contracts around the world.

Unless their lawyers were very clever when they drafted up the contracts originally.

yeah, never gonna happen within the next 5 years or so
 

RSTEIN

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Anyone know what the status is for Canadian broadcasts with the new Sky deal? I typically watch the races early in the morning on our main sports channel, TSN. I hope we'll get all the races this year.
 

dubc35

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Anyone know what the status is for Canadian broadcasts with the new Sky deal? I typically watch the races early in the morning on our main sports channel, TSN. I hope we'll get all the races this year.
Do you get SPEED channel? I know some in Vancouver get SPEED. TSN always confuses me when I'm in Canada, sometimes it's ESPN, sometimes TSN, sometimes something else.
 

RSTEIN

Comics, serious business!
Do you get SPEED channel? I know some in Vancouver get SPEED. TSN always confuses me when I'm in Canada, sometimes it's ESPN, sometimes TSN, sometimes something else.

Yes, but I can't stand the US commentators. On TSN they just show the BBC feed. I don't know the status of this with the Sky deal. I guess the worst case scenario is SPEED, but I would much prefer the BBC/Sky coverage.
 

SCHUEY F1

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Yes, but I can't stand the US commentators. On TSN they just show the BBC feed. I don't know the status of this with the Sky deal. I guess the worst case scenario is SPEED, but I would much prefer the BBC/Sky coverage.

It looks like they will broadcast every race looking at the schedule on TSN. I think TSN will have BBC or Sky or both. Hopefully they will make some annnoucement regarding this closer to the season.

Edit: For me the races on Speed are blacked out (using Bell).
 

S. L.

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Mclaren is definitely up to something!

Another View

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sensors and cables?
/shrug

Much more interesting:
Merc and Renault supposedly have some engine mapping that uses a loophole to continue of throttle blowing.
Whiting wants to clamp down on it
[url]http://www.tz-online.de/sport/formel1/schock-vettel-software-verbot-1611550.html[/url]
 
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