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The Formula 1 2011/2012 Off-Season Thread |OT| The Year of the Red Bull

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ANDY_098

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yeah im worried, vettel only got to around 20 laps, while mclaren went over 100 laps.

fuckk!!

RB are still the team to beat. McLaren will be close, but I think RB will have the edge over them.

Their reliability must be concerning though. They had a few gearbox changes, as have most teams I expect, but they didn't seem to see the problems coming and then lost valuable time as they had to change the gearbox during the session.
 

Ark

Member
I'm really interested to see what's going to happen in 12 days time. Lotus are looking like they might be the big surprise this year and Red Bull look like they've had a couple of issues this pre-season.
 

Ark

Member
I'm super interested to see where McLaren are going to be in Australia considering how much better of a performance in pre-season testing they've had this year compared to the last couple of years.
 

R&R

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Looks like Red Bull is not going to have it as easy as in 2011. McLaren seems to be in good shape, and also Mercedes and Lotus are definitely closer. Ferrari struggling...

Also good news for Caterham, they are in midfield shape already. But HRT and Marussia are going to suck still...
 

ashk

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Umm... it still looks like they attacked the bodywork with a Dremel. Surely that isn't an optimal opening for airflow?

Probably not the best solution for airflow coming from the front, but it's all about directing the exhaust gasses to where they can best help create downforce.
 

navanman

Crown Prince of Custom Firmware
So 10 days for the teams to pour over the data they have collected in testing.
Must say I'm getting pretty excited now seeing as Red Bull look to have a decent challenge from McLaren and Lotus look to be pushing Ferrari & Mercedes as the best of the rest.

Button for WDC with WCC for Red Bull for me.
 

navanman

Crown Prince of Custom Firmware
So who is looking for a Sky Go login?
Depending on the quality of the Webber photo posted and my general mode, I'll give one slot to a someone.
 

Yen

Member
So who is looking for a Sky Go login?
Depending on the quality of the Webber photo posted and my general mode, I'll give one slot to a someone.
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Give it to a fellow Irishman! (Me!!!)
 

navanman

Crown Prince of Custom Firmware
Not bad.. Very suggestive.
Ill let this run for a while as we have nothing interesting to talk about until Oz GP in 2 weekends time.
 

Shaneus

Member
Pfft, you guys aren't even fans :(

But I have to say, this is an AMAZING idea to get more pictures of Mark in this thread. I don't even care if I don't get the login... it's worth it just to see this thread improve exponentially.
 

ANDY_098

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Good analysis of the running order (and associated lap time analysis):
http://abulafiaf1.wordpress.com/

No1 – McLaren

McLaren have been hiding their car’s true pace all testing long. They haven’t gone for any low fuel run and they haven’t even attempted any revealing race simulations. From the few bits and pieces that we have seen, it seems that they have a fast, reliable and very consistent racing car, with which they can challenge for victories from the very 1st race.

No2 – Red Bull

I place the Bulls 2nd in my pecking order, because they have had some reliability issues throughout testing and, especially during the last 2 days, when they failed to properly go out and test their Melbourne-spec configuration. The delay of this specification may well turn out to be a wrong decision, creating problems for the first fly-away races. However, like McLaren, they have been extra careful to reveal their car pace, which is a sign of confidence. I have a feeling though that McLaren may have stolen a small march on them this year. Vettel will be even stronger this year, so he may well be the deciding factor that tips the scale in Red Bull’s favour.

No3 – Mercedes

They have been the fastest team in race-simulation trim from all the other teams, bar McLaren and Red Bull who didn’t attempt any. They have been the fastest in heavy fuel loads, and Nico’s 01:22.9 yesterday on a 15 lap stints confirms that they should be bloody quick in qualifying too. It will be interesting to see if they can mix it with McLaren and Red Bull. Their tyre degradation issues, as we have explained, have been blown way out of proportion. It’s telling that they attempted a race simulation on the 24th of February, and then spent the 2nd Barcelona testing pretty much hiding from the top of the time sheets, just like McLaren and Red Bull.

No4 – Ferrari

I say Ferrari, but in reality I mean Alonso, because in the hands of Massa I see Ferrari behind Lotus, at this moment. They have a lot of work to do to recover, and their position is actually closer to the midfield than it is to Mercedes. If our predictions come true, expect a political shitstorm of epic proportions. Fernando will wrestle with the car and will keep motivating the squad to recover, but it will be tricky if heads start to roll in Maranello. Having said that, the first race in Melbourne is usually not a good indicator of a car’s performance and Ferrari may be able to get a lucky break, or even a podium. Ferrari fans should do well not to hope for much more, at this stage.

No5 – Lotus

As I said, I would be placing Lotus above Ferrari at this moment, if Alonso wasn’t part of the equation. At this moment, Lotus is more consistent, faster and kinder to the tyres, especially in the hands of Romain Grosjean. Kimi has been fast during pre-season testing but inconsistent, a sign of a talented driver that has been out of the game for quite some time. I expect Romain to have the upper hand at the beginning, and quite comfortably, with the odd flash of speed coming from Kimi’s side. They start the season in a good position, but their in-season development pace is what will determine the outcome of their campaign.

No6 and No7 - Sauber / Williams

Perez will shine for Sauber this year. The Swiss team have come up with a competitive, contemporary package, that has shown promising signs during pre-season testing. Williams are up there too, with a FW34 that is apparently very kind to its tyres. It may lack a bit in terms of raw pace compared to Force India, but should have the edge in the races.

No8 and No9 – Force India / Toro Rosso

Force India may have a bit more raw pace in comparison to either Sauber or Williams, but we have seen a worrying pattern of heavy tyre degradation during their longer stints. They may find themselves qualifying reasonably well but falling behind in the races. Toro Rosso has also shown some good speed during low-fuel quali laps, but their race pace isn’t 100% there at the moment. I have to say though that positions 6 to 9 are very difficult to decipher, and I expect the teams to drop from 6th to 9th in the pecking order on a race-by-race basis. It seems that everybody has been able to produce good, quick, reliable and sensible racing cars, and that shows in the time sheets; it’s very difficult to separate between these 4 teams.

No10 – Caterham

Caterham have definitely made a big step forward this year, as evidenced by the 01:22.6 lap time that they achieved on a low-fuel quali simulation. However, their long stints pace is behind the other midfield runners at the moment, and although they have closed the gap to them, they haven’t quite bridged it yet. They can, however, proudly claim that they are now part of what we call “midfield runners”, in dire contrast to HRT and Marussia who continue to disappoint in their 3rd year in the sport. HRT, in particular, are expected to not reach the 107% laptime from pole in Australia, and given that they have done no testing at all, I don’t see them racing down under.

Well worth reading the other analysis of testing on there too, a lot of info most news sites have glossed over.
 

ANDY_098

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Glad to see Mercedes rated highly there, I see them finishing higher than Lotus although many on here seem to disagree.

I'm starting to believe Merc may be able to challenge for wins. Their long run pace is comparable to RB and McL, and they seem to have remedied their tyre degradation problems which plagued them last year.

I think Lotus have shown their hand too early with some glory runs. Whereas Merc have avoided the spotlight, got through their test program with no major problems, and I expect they have much more speed in reserve.

Also...
(I don't need the Sky Go pass, just wanted to contribute)
 

kharma45

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I'm starting to believe Merc may be able to challenge for wins. Their long run pace is comparable to RB and McL, and they seem to have remedied their tyre degradation problems which plagued them last year.

I think Lotus have shown their hand too early with some glory runs. Whereas Merc have avoided the spotlight, got through their test program with no major problems, and I expect they have much more speed in reserve.

That's what I've been thinking, Merc are quietly confident that they don't need to show off, sure didn't they top the times last year?

Not that I'm writing Lotus off, with Kimi I'm sure they can scrap well but I don't see them being as quick as some envisage.
 

Shaneus

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I don't want the log-in details (I couldn't accept it, wouldn't feel right) I just thought this was a good pic of him! Couldn't find what I was looking for so my search goes on...
Any idea roughly when that's from? He looks terribly gaunt in that pic :(
 

ANDY_098

Member
That's what I've been thinking, Merc are quietly confident that they don't need to show off, sure didn't they top the times last year?

Not that I'm writing Lotus off, with Kimi I'm sure they can scrap well but I don't see them being as quick as some envisage.

Yes, Schumacher set the fastest lap at Barcelona on the final day of pre-season last year. Albeit after a string of reliability issues and general lack of pace.

The next few days will be telling from all the teams as they release statements highlighting their feelings post testing and their expectations of the season ahead.
 

ANDY_098

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I certainly wouldn't want that to happen. Rather, something like Schumacher/Silverstone or Webber/Tasmania.

Just something to tone down the incessant fanboyism.

Wishing a serious physical Injury on someone because you don't like a few pictures? That's fucking disgusting.
 

fogberto

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Mark does his best work with champagne.

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That last one is my facebook timeline picture.

With the bottle out of the shot, of course.
 

Septimius

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I certainly wouldn't want that to happen. Rather, something like Schumacher/Silverstone or Webber/Tasmania.

Just something to tone down the incessant fanboyism.

Yes, let's hope some guy breaks both his legs because some people are posting pictures of him.

Holy crap, what's with you?
 

Lucius86

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I certainly wouldn't want that to happen. Rather, something like Schumacher/Silverstone or Webber/Tasmania.

Just something to tone down the incessant fanboyism.

How about you don't post here then? I think we all would much rather see that then see any F1 driver (or any professional driver for that matter) get hurt in any form.

Unless they were a homophobic, Webber hating, general all round twat. Then I wouldn't mind.

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