brotkasten
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We still need a "Vettel on GAF" shop.Deadman said:Saw on reddit, made me laugh
"Webber's abu dhabi strategy explained"
Such an entertaining and frustrating season.Ark said:
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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Double World Champion Sebastian Vettel |OT2|
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brotkasten
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Ark said:Only if he's posting as Omiee
Unless they share the account, I'd say Horner has to be Omiee.
brotkasten
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Leonsito said:
Leunam said:
Kimi's back and no one noticed. :lol
But we all know where he really wants to go ...
Myoclonic Jerk
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Damnit Kimi just fucking return already
brotkasten
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Can't wait so see him fight with the Force Indias and the Saubers for the 9th or 8th place.Leunam said:
As a Kimi fan, whats worrying is that being out the sport too long will have the same effect on him as it did Schumi. Other than having an uncompetitive Williams, its gonna be a tough comeback in terms of his own driving ability, I think(if it happens of course).brotkasten said:
Adam Scott Aukerman
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Seanspeed said:
I don't think it's quite the same case with Kimi to be honest. Michael's time away from F1 was spent occasionally dicking around on motorbikes, whereas Kimi has been doing a fare amount of competitive rallies - which arguably require quicker reaction times and the like.
Naturally, he'll have to take some time to get used to it again, and get up to speed with the new aspects, but mentally he shouldn't have any problems in his ability to do those things.
The Austin GP is dead
The wrangling over money and the New York GP was the death nail it seems.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/11/15/work-stops-at-austin-track-as-race-hangs-in-balance/
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/...firms-new-jersey-race-threatens-austin-event/
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20111114/FREE/311149999
The wrangling over money and the New York GP was the death nail it seems.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/11/15/work-stops-at-austin-track-as-race-hangs-in-balance/
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/...firms-new-jersey-race-threatens-austin-event/
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20111114/FREE/311149999
Betta Lines
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I guess the airlflow over/around the front tyre is the most important/complex thing to simulate in CFD, so that must be a grid to measure air pressure all around that area?Psychotext said:
navanman said:The Austin GP is dead
The wrangling over money and the New York GP was the death nail it seems.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/11/15/work-stops-at-austin-track-as-race-hangs-in-balance/
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/...firms-new-jersey-race-threatens-austin-event/
Looks like it could have been a good track aswell
Psychotext
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What the fuck is wrong with F1? That track looked liked it had real potential.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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navanman said:The Austin GP is dead
The wrangling over money and the New York GP was the death nail it seems.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/11/15/work-stops-at-austin-track-as-race-hangs-in-balance/
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/...firms-new-jersey-race-threatens-austin-event/
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20111114/FREE/311149999
How you've come up with 'dead', from any of those articles, I have no clue.
Construction has been suspended until the owners of the race license and the owners of the track sort their shit out - a tactic likely imposed to get them to do so sooner, rather than later. And considering the money involved on both sides, it's pretty likely that they will sort it out, it might just not be in time for 2012.
What the hell? Damn they are good at wasting opportunities in F1.navanman said:The Austin GP is dead
The wrangling over money and the New York GP was the death nail it seems.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/11/15/work-stops-at-austin-track-as-race-hangs-in-balance/
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/...firms-new-jersey-race-threatens-austin-event/
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20111114/FREE/311149999
not too surprising, when they had that red bull driving trough the sand video there... it was pretty obvious nothing is gonna happen therenavanman said:The Austin GP is dead
The wrangling over money and the New York GP was the death nail it seems.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/11/15/work-stops-at-austin-track-as-race-hangs-in-balance/
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/...firms-new-jersey-race-threatens-austin-event/
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20111114/FREE/311149999
Foliorum Viridum
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Austin looked like it would be a good track, but the street circuit looked better.
Would've liked them both and got Valencia kicked off though.
Would've liked them both and got Valencia kicked off though.
Osiris
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Donington Mk. II.
Actually, scratch that, this time I don't think it's the same.
With Donington, everyone knew that the race wasn't happening there and that the threat of the race moving there was being used as a hammer to beat Silverstone into the significant upgrades that were needed, this was because of the history over the previous years between Bernie/Silverstone/BRDC and the threats he had made.
With the Austin/Jersey situation I think Jersey was arranged when Bernie became aware of the difficulties at the Austin development, He wants a US race, and Jersey was the Plan B, in my opinion.
Actually, scratch that, this time I don't think it's the same.
With Donington, everyone knew that the race wasn't happening there and that the threat of the race moving there was being used as a hammer to beat Silverstone into the significant upgrades that were needed, this was because of the history over the previous years between Bernie/Silverstone/BRDC and the threats he had made.
With the Austin/Jersey situation I think Jersey was arranged when Bernie became aware of the difficulties at the Austin development, He wants a US race, and Jersey was the Plan B, in my opinion.
Psychotext
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The last time I saw an interview the guy managing the site said it was going to be really tight as to whether they'd be done in time...rhfb said:
...I'm guessing this isn't going to help.
RomanticHeroX
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Both US tracks look like garbage, I'll happily see them both go for more spots in Europe.
brotkasten
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Are you mad?RomanticHeroX said:
Wax Free Vanilla
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Sky HQ
RomanticHeroX
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Another Tilkedrome and a street circuit? Are people really craving that? If you want exciting races you're not going to find at either of those. After all of the promises that Tilke finally for reals got it right this time, how exciting was the Indian GP? Also, as I've said before, there could be a thousand GPs here, nobody in America is going to give a shit about F1. We'll be dealing with two more dire races for a couple of years that will accomplish nothing, while Spa has to alternate.brotkasten said:
Foliorum Viridum
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I want that Massa gif banned. So overused already.
India is a fantastic track. I'm sure we'll get lots of exciting races there.RomanticHeroX said:
RomanticHeroX
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You're half right.
To expand on that a bit since it sounds douchier than I wanted, India will be an eternally green track. That was a huge problem this year and that won't change because there's no local support for racing. That's the problem with these expansion races like India and Korea, building a world class circuit doesn't automatically create local support.
To expand on that a bit since it sounds douchier than I wanted, India will be an eternally green track. That was a huge problem this year and that won't change because there's no local support for racing. That's the problem with these expansion races like India and Korea, building a world class circuit doesn't automatically create local support.
navanman said:
Donnington was a sodding joke. It was just Burnie calling their bluff that he will always get what he wants.
Not too surprised at Austin being cancelled after the months of rumours to be honest. Although I look forward to New Jersey
Also; my friend posted this picture a few hours ago on another forum I frequent, just thought it was worth sharing:
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Foliorum Viridum
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If SKY didn't have it then who would? BBC are being made to cut their budgets too much to afford it.
Edit: Oh is that just German Sky? Reading when sleepy is hard >_>
Edit: Oh is that just German Sky? Reading when sleepy is hard >_>
NihonTiger90
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So that's it? Austin is gone forever, huh. Such a disappointment.
Oh well, when the NJ GP inevitably falls apart because people complain and start suing and kills the Canadian Grand Prix in the process, we can go back to no races in North America.
I am so sad right now.
Seems like many of the comments I'm reading reflect that. A lot of folks stateside wanted the Austin race. Such a shame.
Oh well, when the NJ GP inevitably falls apart because people complain and start suing and kills the Canadian Grand Prix in the process, we can go back to no races in North America.
I am so sad right now.
Seems like many of the comments I'm reading reflect that. A lot of folks stateside wanted the Austin race. Such a shame.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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NihonTiger90 said:
No, Navaman was mistaken.
It's not dead, construction has just currently been suspended. Of course, the project may end up completely collapsing at some stage, but it certainly hasn't happened yet.
Osiris
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Can't really blame Bernie for this one though, the 'troubles' at Austin started a while ago with the internal contractual dispute at COTA and the subsequent lack of a guarantee for funding by the state.
Donington was disingenious though, The track & pit facilities were in no state for F1, in fact it's facilities at the time were a fraction of those at Silverstone before the BRDC got it's act together there, the lease for Donington was already in the preliminary stages of a dispute. Bernie knew there was no chance of Donington hosting F1 in the timeframe they had set out, the whole deal was used as a fulcrum to force Silverstone and the BRDC to bring the circuit up to modern standards as previous threats to pull the UK Grand Prix if they didn't had been ignored as everyone knew that it was a hollow threat, the just wasn't any way Bernie was going to pull the plug and sour the relationship with the BRDC to that extent.
Of course it's not impossible that he used the same tactic again in the US by playing off Austin & Jersey, against each other but I think it's highly unlikely as unlike the situation in the UK Bernie and the FIA were not having to deal with an incalcitrant BRDC, more likely is they set up the conditions for both to move forward, knowing that it would increase (but not guarantee) the chances of a US GP in 2013.
This fee is nearly always paid well in advance of the race, and that's why the FIA want the guarantee, a guarantee it seems they won't be getting.
No guarantee, no contract, no race.
Donington was disingenious though, The track & pit facilities were in no state for F1, in fact it's facilities at the time were a fraction of those at Silverstone before the BRDC got it's act together there, the lease for Donington was already in the preliminary stages of a dispute. Bernie knew there was no chance of Donington hosting F1 in the timeframe they had set out, the whole deal was used as a fulcrum to force Silverstone and the BRDC to bring the circuit up to modern standards as previous threats to pull the UK Grand Prix if they didn't had been ignored as everyone knew that it was a hollow threat, the just wasn't any way Bernie was going to pull the plug and sour the relationship with the BRDC to that extent.
Of course it's not impossible that he used the same tactic again in the US by playing off Austin & Jersey, against each other but I think it's highly unlikely as unlike the situation in the UK Bernie and the FIA were not having to deal with an incalcitrant BRDC, more likely is they set up the conditions for both to move forward, knowing that it would increase (but not guarantee) the chances of a US GP in 2013.
Nope, it's dead, The state comptroller (Susan Combs) is now stating that the race must show, after analysis, a positive economic benefit for the state in order for the FIA to secure it's fee. Madness considering the FIA already made a concession to let them pay the fee after the event.rhfb said:I thought that the State was only going to give the $25 million or whatever AFTER the first race? Looking around it seems the "official" reason behind the stoppage right now is that they are waiting on a contract, not money.
I still have hope
This fee is nearly always paid well in advance of the race, and that's why the FIA want the guarantee, a guarantee it seems they won't be getting.
No guarantee, no contract, no race.
Myoclonic Jerk
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So sad to hear about Austin.. I think nowadays the only way to get an F1 race for any country the govt itself needs to be involved and the business model is almost mandatory to be a loss model. What bernie and the F1 circus is trying to sell, whether its true or not, is that F1 is much bigger than the event itself, and govts should apprecaite the value the sport brings with it wherever it goes. You will NEVER make money from tickets only. the fees range from $30-50m you can barely breakeven for the fees only, thats not factoring in the cost of construction, running cost...etc
in short, F1 can't be a private sector initiative anymore, look at Korea.
well, you should not worry, its a completely different situation with Kimi
1. He's been out for 2 years not 3
2. He has been competing in professional motorsports and not any motorsports its WRC
3. He didn't sustain a serious neck/shoulder injury from a bike crash which prevented him from coming back to F1
4. He's what? 10 years younger?
Of course he will need time to adjust to the so many changes since he left, but that's normal, and it shouldn't take him more than 2-3 races to get used to it, and if he was there for winter testing he will be up to speed with the first race
ANNOUNCE IT ALREADY
in short, F1 can't be a private sector initiative anymore, look at Korea.
Seanspeed said:
well, you should not worry, its a completely different situation with Kimi
1. He's been out for 2 years not 3
2. He has been competing in professional motorsports and not any motorsports its WRC
3. He didn't sustain a serious neck/shoulder injury from a bike crash which prevented him from coming back to F1
4. He's what? 10 years younger?
Of course he will need time to adjust to the so many changes since he left, but that's normal, and it shouldn't take him more than 2-3 races to get used to it, and if he was there for winter testing he will be up to speed with the first race
ANNOUNCE IT ALREADY
brotkasten
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Everything you said might be true, but the car will still suck, so it doesn't make a difference.Myoclonic Jerk said:
How did no one ever link to the Johnny Walker ads before? They're great, just found them by mistake yesterday.
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