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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Double World Champion Sebastian Vettel |OT2|

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Ark

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Myoclonic Jerk said:
I've lost what I was trying to say with this post, so I'll stop here lol
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I didn't say anything about Kimi and Massa..

Kimi will never return to the peak he was at at McLaren.
 
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brotkasten said:
That's exactly what I'm going for. Good to know that you finally understood me.
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I'm certainly glad I spent all that time arguing with you to find out something you could have just told me straight up.
 
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Meier

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I really hope all the people involved get this nonsense worked out here in Austin. No one benefits from the race not happening.
 
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Meier said:
I really hope all the people involved get this nonsense worked out here in Austin. No one benefits from the race not happening.
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Latest news is that Bernie is willing to let the race slip a year to 2013. While I'd prefer a 2012 race, having ANY race is still better than NO race. It would also allow for there to be two races (maybe) in the US in the same year. Hell, Rossi might even be driving for a team by then...
 
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What the hell is the problem with the Austin race? I wanted to get my dad tickets for it for his birthday, he's watched nearly every race for probably a decade or so now on TV but living in the US means he has never been to a race, but the track seems to keep having problems.
 
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InertiaXr said:
What the hell is the problem with the Austin race? I wanted to get my dad tickets for it for his birthday, he's watched nearly every race for probably a decade or so now on TV but living in the US means he has never been to a race, but the track seems to keep having problems.
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Didn't Indy have F1 until 2007?

But yeah, it's shit. Typical F1 farce.
 
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Psychotext said:
Didn't Indy have F1 until 2007?

But yeah, it's shit. Typical F1 farce.
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Oh well yeah they did, but my dad just never ended up going. New race seemed like a good opportunity to get tickets for him, plus my aunt/his sister lives in Dallas, so we would see her family on the way.
 
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Juicy Bob

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I'm pretty depressed by this. Not just for me and for F1 but especially for all the thousands of die-hard F1 fans across the States and the rest of the Americas.

You guys deserve better than this.
 
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Ark

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Does anyone happen to know where I can get a much larger version of this picture?

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Found it on the BBC website (it's on the front-page) and it's just a really good picture imo.
 
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Venezuelan Congressman Carlos Ramos is beginning to delve into details about the PDVSA sponsorship of the WilliamsF1 team. According to Ramos, no-one in Venezuela – apart from a handful of Chaves supporters – know the details of the sponsorship: what has been paid and promised the team. According to Venezuelan law, no public money can be committed to such projects without the approval of the Venezuelan Congress. Neither Hugo Chavez, nor PDVSA, can unilaterally spend public monies without government approval. Ramos says that the contract between PDVSA and Williams F1 team might be illegal, as he can find no record of the contract having ever been discussed, or approved, by Congress.

Ramos says that the reports in Venezuela have suggested that the deal could be worth as much as $225 million over the full term, depending on the success of the team.
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Williams are not obliged to reply to the letter nor to satisfy the requests.

This letter means nothing, unless the pending payments are a big sum, there might be a risk of not fulfilling the contract from PDVSA's side.

Williams can easily ask PDVSA to bring forward all the pending paymetns immediately or Pastor gets the boot


Now Petrov's seat is in doubt - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96306

"Unfortunately I cannot say anything bad about the team, it says so in my contract," said Petrov. "But many things have already been written about in the media.

"People say the team criticised the drivers. But excuse me; read my interviews, I haven't criticised the team despite what we have lost so many times. How much have we missed at pitstops? With strategy?

"We have lost positions in about 10 races or even more. Even without a fast car we could have gained good points, we could have finished with points if we had had a good strategy.

"But I couldn't say in interviews that we lost it with the pitstops, and I cannot talk about that now either. But I can't keep silent any more - it is over. I can't keep everything inside any more."
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Austin willing to shift race to 2013, they admit it can't happen in 2012 - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96303

"We have been excited for and working towards a 2012 USGP race and now understand that Mr Ecclestone is interested in moving the Austin race to 2013," he said.

"We know the US market is important to the teams and their sponsors and 2013 certainly allows time for the Circuit of the Americas to be ready."
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Myoclonic Jerk said:
Williams are not obliged to reply to the letter nor to satisfy the requests.

This letter means nothing, unless the pending payments are a big sum, there might be a risk of not fulfilling the contract from PDVSA's side.
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Williams might not need to respond (or be liable to pay back any money, should congress nullify the agreement), but PDVSA would. Their sponsorship of Williams is "long term", so there will be substantial funds that are as yet unpaid to Williams (I wouldn't think they even pay a single year upfront, as I believe it's common practice for sponsors to pay in installments throughout the season).

Should the agreement be nullified, that leaves Williams in a bit of a (massive) pickle.

I would think it's also possible that any such payments from PDVSA could be frozen while the case is investigated.

Of course, that's worst case. They may even already be aware of this, and that might be why they're chasing QNB.
 
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zomgbbqftw

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Seanspeed said:
More like goodbye Maldonado - hello some other, lesser paydriver.
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Not if that Qatari investment works out. It would be interesting to see Williams (a historically strong team) get a massive cash infusion without any strings attached like having to take on a crappy driver like Maldonado. It could make the top three teams into the top four teams with the amount of money that the Qataris have.
 
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zomgbbqftw said:
Not if that Qatari investment works out. It would be interesting to see Williams (a historically strong team) get a massive cash infusion without any strings attached like having to take on a crappy driver like Maldonado. It could make the top three teams into the top four teams with the amount of money that the Qataris have.
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Depends on what they'd actually bring to the team. I dont think we've heard much in the way of details. Talking about Williams joining the big three is a little too optimistic at this point. They need to work back to getting to the head of the midfield first.

And again - Maldonado is not a crappy driver. He's not anything special, but as far as paydrivers go, they dont come with better credentials than he has. They could have done a lot worse.
 
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Thats a mighty risk Mclaren would be taking. Going from the best engine on the grid to the manufacturer who had the worst engine on the grid when they left F1.
 
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Eric Boulliieeeiaiuiereiaur (the renault guy) confirms that he has been talking to Kimi's managers - f1.com interview

This is getting really silly
 
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zomgbbqftw

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brotkasten said:
I thought McLaren wanted to build their own engines?
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I think that's a long term plan but they still need an engine supplier in between and I suppose sticking with Mercedes puts them at a competitive disadvantage to the constructor team and to Ferrari/RBR. As long as McLaren get a lot of input on the Honda engine and keep it exclusive until they develop their own engine I think it can work. If it can coax Honda back into F1 it would be even more awesome, the Japanese have been sorely missed and while KK is as great as ever, to have a Japanese constructor back it would be even better!
 
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Myoclonic Jerk said:
Eric Boulliieeeiaiuiereiaur (the renault guy) confirms that he has been talking to Kimi's managers - f1.com interview

This is getting really silly
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To replace Petrov then? Since they're leaving a spot for Kubica if he's capable of getting back.
 
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Foliorum Viridum said:
Mark Webber says drivers want DRS rethink

Boo, I say. Pushing the car in quali is what it's all about.
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I always thought it was silly allowing unlimited DRS usage during practice & qualy.

Seanspeed said:
Thats a mighty risk Mclaren would be taking. Going from the best engine on the grid to the manufacturer who had the worst engine on the grid when they left F1.
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Honda were hardly in a advantageous financial position when they left the grid, and even for years before that. Having McLaren as a sole and exclusive partner to supply engines too would be beneficial for both parties if things work out. Especially now that the Mercedes team is picking up speed.

Not to mention seeing the name 'Vodafone McLaren Honda' would be quite something again.
 
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Handycrap101

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Not sure if it's been posted but F1.com has a lot of awesome Senna merchandise to coincide with the Brazil GP.

Ayrton Senna Collection

I'm picking up the mousepad, both T-shirts with his McLaren (black and white), the double-S t-shirt in black and, his black and gold lotus figure.
 
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Seanspeed

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Ark said:
I always thought it was silly allowing unlimited DRS usage during practice & qualy.



Honda were hardly in a advantageous financial position when they left the grid, and even for years before that. Having McLaren as a sole and exclusive partner to supply engines too would be beneficial for both parties if things work out. Especially now that the Mercedes team is picking up speed.
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Didn't stop them from spending hundreds of millions of dollars every year. Sorry, but thats not a good excuse. They had every opportunity to build an engine as good as the Toyota/Renault/BMW/Ferrari/Mercedes, but didn't.

If I were Mclaren, my only two options I'd look at would be to either stick with Mercedes or build my own engines. Perhaps if Honda comes back with another team and their engines proves really good, then maybe switch over, but its too big a risk to take for them if they desire to stay at the front. I mean, their engine right now is one of their biggest advantages. It turned the 09 Honda into a championship-winning Brawn. It turned Force India from a back-of-the-grid team into a team capable of consistently scoring points.

I personally dont believe it'll happen. Not until Honda have a proven engine.
 
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Seanspeed said:
Didn't stop them from spending hundreds of millions of dollars every year. Sorry, but thats not a good excuse. They had every opportunity to build an engine as good as the Toyota/Renault/BMW/Ferrari/Mercedes, but didn't.

If I were Mclaren, my only two options I'd look at would be to either stick with Mercedes or build my own engines. Perhaps if Honda comes back with another team and their engines proves really good, then maybe switch over, but its too big a risk to take for them if they desire to stay at the front. I mean, their engine right now is one of their biggest advantages. It turned the 09 Honda into a championship-winning Brawn. It turned Force India from a back-of-the-grid team into a team capable of consistently scoring points.

I personally dont believe it'll happen. Not until Honda have a proven engine.
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The Mercedes engine did not turn the 09 Brawn into a winner, it merely helped it. The Brawn was already class of the field without the Mercedes engine. Likewise with Force India, their partnership with McLaren has aided them greatly, along with natural team progression.

You don't get anywhere quickly without taking risks. Ferrari played it safe over the winter building a reliable car, and look where they are now. Honda have had more than enough time to get their act together and produce a good engine, they have no need to 'prove themselves again' because the precedent is already there.

McLaren aren't yet in a position to build their own engines. They've already built a top-class standard car engine, but building an F1 engine is a whole different ball game, especially with the exhaust rules changing every other race at this point. Staying with Mercedes just wont let them be competitive enough in the constructors. They've had their exclusive partnership thing with Mercedes for many years now, and effectively, were the Mercedes representative in F1. Now that Mercedes has their own team, and are more concerned over their own efforts rather than that of McLaren, McLaren need to find an engine supplier (whether it be their own, or a third party) that will provide them with the advantages they need.

brotkasten said:
It it happens, I'd like to see at least a shopped version of the car with the old livery.
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There's a red/white Malboro skin for the Williams F1 car in iRacing, and it doesn't look anywhere near as good as on the 80's & 90's cars.
 
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Its not a huge risk to switch to Honda in 2014.

Totally new engines starting that year, a whole new design philosophy means the order of the grid could be greatly changed.
Hi-pressure turbo and limited fuel supply means the engine builder with best power to fuel ratio would be the new leader.
 
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navanman said:
Anyone got or recommend a F1 print?
I want to get one for my bedroom wall.
Something iconic and classy looking would be great.

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This one looks class
http://www.zazzle.co.uk/downhill_at_spa_poster-228096461363437653
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I've been looking for one too, at a reasonable price. I'm only interested in canvas though, I found a store through Amazon that do good sizes & quality for reasonable prices. Tempted to buy this one at the moment, but I'm looking around for an actual F1 canvas.

The one you've linked is really, really awesome, but not for £74.

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I think I'm going to order myself a new T-Shirt.
 
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Ark said:
The Mercedes engine did not turn the 09 Brawn into a winner, it merely helped it. The Brawn was already class of the field without the Mercedes engine. Likewise with Force India, their partnership with McLaren has aided them greatly, along with natural team progression.

You don't get anywhere quickly without taking risks. Ferrari played it safe over the winter building a reliable car, and look where they are now. Honda have had more than enough time to get their act together and produce a good engine, they have no need to 'prove themselves again' because the precedent is already there.

McLaren aren't yet in a position to build their own engines. They've already built a top-class standard car engine, but building an F1 engine is a whole different ball game, especially with the exhaust rules changing every other race at this point. Staying with Mercedes just wont let them be competitive enough in the constructors. They've had their exclusive partnership thing with Mercedes for many years now, and effectively, were the Mercedes representative in F1. Now that Mercedes has their own team, and are more concerned over their own efforts rather than that of McLaren, McLaren need to find an engine supplier (whether it be their own, or a third party) that will provide them with the advantages they need.
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The Brawn was not class of the field without the Mercedes engine by most accounts. I think Brawn himself said something about the engine not only giving them more than half a second time improvement, but was also more reliable and had a much more driveable power curve. And yes, I realize it wasn't the engine alone in helping Brawn and Force India, but it was most definitely a major factor in both cases.

As far as Mclaren building their own engines, I'm pretty sure thats the route they're most interested in at the moment. New engine rules aren't expected to come into play til 2014, which gives them plenty of time.

And how is Mercedes hurting their constructor's chances? I really dont get that. If anything, they'd probably be a fair bit worse off if they were using anybody else's engine considering the Mercedes is class-of-the-field.

Honda does indeed need to prove themselves again after failing miserably this last time out. Cosworth have proved themselves in the past but it didn't stop them from creating a bottom-of-the-barrel engine this era. I agree that taking risks can be a good thing, but take sensible risks at least. Like when Red Bull chose to go Renault engined over Ferrari engined. That was a risk at the time when the Renault was known to be down on power, but they thought it would pay off in other aspects.
 
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