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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|

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navanman

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I'm betting that that the rule change will be canned.

Formula 1 teams will be informed on Saturday morning about whether the FIA intends to take any further action over the off-throttle blown diffuser issue, after controversy erupted on the eve of the British Grand Prix.

Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner and McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh clashed in public at an official FIA press conference at Silverstone over concessions that have been given to engine manufacturers to ensure their reliability is not hit by the ban on the off-throttle use of blown diffusers that is coming into force this weekend.

Whitmarsh was unhappy that a technical directive issued by the FIA on Friday morning left the way open for the Renault-powered teams - which include Red Bull Racing – to use 50 per cent of throttle blowing while the drivers were braking.

Horner responded that the decision, given to Renault on reliability grounds and relating to exhaust valves, was only fair because the Mercedes-Benz outfits were allowed to use engine over-run under braking to help with crank case pressure.

The situation rumbled on over Friday evening and FIA race director Charlie Whiting met with engine representatives for a lengthy meeting to discuss their concerns and try to find a solution that was fair for everybody – and prevent a situation where other engine makers try and find grounds to justify a similar 50 per cent limit.

AUTOSPORT understands that Whiting will decide overnight if further action needs to be taken, and the teams will be informed before the start of final free practice about the FIA's view on the matter.
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More at Autosport
 
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navanman

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Foliorum Viridum said:
How the fuck can you let teams know about THE RULES OF THE RACE a few hours before qualifying?

Jesus.
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(Need an FIA version of this meme)
 
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navanman

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jey_16 said:
So why is no one complaining Mercedes engines were getting a concession as well?
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No-one knows how these rule changes actually work yet.

Renault 50% off-throttle allowance is really 68% open as they a butterfly valve throttle rather than a barrel system that the other engine manufacturers use.
 
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jey_16

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navanman said:
No-one knows how these rule changes actually work yet.

Renault 50% off-throttle allowance is really 68% open as they a butterfly valve throttle rather than a barrel system that the other engine manufacturers use.
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Regardless, McLaren and the other Mercedes engines were allowed to have the rules changed to suit them which is disgraceful to begin with and then suddenly they are up in arms since Red Bull/Renault did the same thing and were even more successfull at it since they got more of performance bonus apparently? Hypocritical to say the least

If the FIA were serious about changing the rules, they would ban all of this regardless of "reliability" and let the engines blow up which I seriously doubt would happen anyway
 
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RukusProvider

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Stop screwing with rules mid season and it wouldn't be such a disaster. Personally, I have no problems with a team getting the most out of a car coupled with a top tier driver that wins routinely. That's a reward the team and driver have earned.

Jacking up rules to handicap success is poor sportsmanship, in my eyes.
 
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Dead Man

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RukusProvider said:
Stop screwing with rules mid season and it wouldn't be such a disaster. Personally, I have no problems with a team getting the most out of a car coupled with a top tier driver that wins routinely. That's a reward the team and driver have earned.

Jacking up rules to handicap success is poor sportsmanship, in my eyes.
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Yeah, I'm kind of happy it's a mess, this changing rules mid season is a joke. When a team builds a great car, it's up to the other teams to catch up, or you can change the rules for next season if you are worried (I don't really like that response, either). Dominant teams happen, they happen in all sports, and I can't think of too many times other sports have changed rules to stop them except salary caps.

navanman said:
OK, here is a great explanation of this whole mess in easy to understand terms.

http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/10-rule-full-analysis/
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Scarbs is awesome, thanks for the link.

jey_16 said:
Regardless, McLaren and the other Mercedes engines were allowed to have the rules changed to suit them which is disgraceful to begin with and then suddenly they are up in arms since Red Bull/Renault did the same thing and were even more successfull at it since they got more of performance bonus apparently? Hypocritical to say the least

If the FIA were serious about changing the rules, they would ban all of this regardless of "reliability" and let the engines blow up which I seriously doubt would happen anyway
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Yeah, good point. I get the other teams complaint, since this change benefits some teams specifically, but they were quite happy when a general mid season rule change was going to help them.
 
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Nolan.

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Sooo another twist in the drama (F1 really needs to get back to being about racing) Renault will be denied the 50% lol do the FIA know what they're doing or just go with what sounds right.
 
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DrM

Redmond's Baby
andrewbensonf1 Andrew Benson
A clearly angry Christian Horner is heading to talk to Charlie Whiting after decision not to allow Renault the concession they won on Friday
 
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DrM

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Horner refuses to comment. "I'm off to see Charlie now. I'm not going to say anything." #bbcf1

@tedkravitz Ted Kravitz
Renault's request for 50% exhaust blowing denied. Only allowed 10%. Mercedes allowed pre-agreed hot blowing. Possible Red Bull protest.
 
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avaya

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F1 is not F1 unless you see an engine grenade itself once a race. It is a fucking farce having 100% reliability. I want to see the engines explode.
 
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Nolan.

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I just can't believe the amount of flip flopping going around though and I don't think RBR even intended on their car changing this weekend because it certainly didn't look prepared for it yesterday so this whole saga stinks of something fishy
 
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Dead Man

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So Mercedes still have their exemption but Renault don't? What the hell.

Nolan. said:
I just can't believe the amount of flip flopping going around though and I don't think RBR even intended on their car changing this weekend because it certainly didn't look prepared for it yesterday so this whole saga stinks of something fishy
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It is fishy. It is an attempt to change the rules to penalise one team while not looking like an attempt to penalise one team.

I want Vettel to not run away with the championship as much as anyone, but this is getting ridiculous.
 
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navanman

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Madness. Supposedly McLaren tech were working on an all nighter to get a new exhaust setup done for today but that can be scrapped now.

This one is going to court now. Its all about who got the regulation changed this morning?
Mercedes, Ferrari or Cosworth??
 
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avaya

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I don't agree with Mercedes exemption however they agreed it with the FIA during the consultation period. Renault turn up on Friday and cry like bitches for one of their own. The FIA should not be changing the rules on the grand prix weekend. The decision is a good one in that respect, still a joke allowing anyone dispensation.
 
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navanman

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Nolan.

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Dead Man said:
So Mercedes still have their exemption but Renault don't? What the hell.


It is fishy. It is an attempt to change the rules to penalise one team while not looking like an attempt to penalise one team.

I want Vettel to not run away with the championship as much as anyone, but this is getting ridiculous.
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But the Merc agreement was not only negotiated previously to arriving to the event but it seems to be valid? it's hard to say because you'd think Whiting's actions would tell the full story but...it kinda doesn't
 
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Staab

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Seriously, what's up with the weather, it's been sunny and 25-30°C for a couple of weeks in europe.
Time to get in line, brits !

I wonder if they'll overturn the renault engine rule change by tomorrow... :p
 
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Wes

venison crêpe
Natalie Pinkham says Murray Walker is trending on twitter globaly and his response "What does that mean?"

Love him so much.
 
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Sloane

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navanman said:
Its fucking raining again.
Jebus UK crappy weather!!
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Staab said:
Seriously, what's up with the weather, it's been sunny and 25-30°C for a couple of weeks in europe.
Time to get in line, brits !
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What. Rain is probably the only thing that could make tomorrow's race interesting. Well, except for another couple or rule changes of course.
 
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navanman

Crown Prince of Custom Firmware
Here is why Renault change not allowed. Objection was put in too late so may be allowed in the next race.
It seems Renault put their 50% cold blown evidence in too late, thus have to stick to the 10% of TD25
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itsgreen

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F1 in the wet is awesome... had an AWESOME time last year in Spa on Friday....

Could be because I had a roof above my head in my grand stand at the top of Eau Rouge, but it was the most awesome thing :)
 
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Sloane

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navanman said:
Here is why Renault change not allowed. Objection was put in too late so may be allowed in the next race.
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Meaning they better not finish tomorrow to make their objection more valid? :jakncoke
 
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anx10us

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I live about 30 minutes from Silverstone, the weather is heading over me towards the track, lots of black clouds on their way. This weekend is going to be awesome if it rains ;-)
 
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itsgreen

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Sloane said:
Possibly, but I bet we'll just hear for two hours that it's going to "rain soon", and that's it.
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Combined with shots of dark clouds...

That don't look as dark when you look at them with the human eye...
 
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