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[Nolan.]

Well I guess there goes all hopes of a British podium on Sunday

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Vettel disagrees.

I agree with him. Obviously I'd like to see him make mistakes and have a more competitive championship, but I can't say I'm not being entertained more than ever by this season, bar Valencia.

 

[brotkasten]

Well I guess there goes all hopes of a British podium on Sunday

Why? Maybe we'll see Vettel with Horner on the podium. :lol

I agree with him. Obviously I'd like to see him make mistakes and have a more competitive championship, but I can't say I'm not being entertained more than ever by this season, bar Valencia.

Last season we had boring races and an exciting championship. This year he have exciting races and a boring championship. Why can't we have both?

 

[Psychotext]

Fucking FIA. I mean really, what the fuck.

 

[Leunam]

I agree with him. Obviously I'd like to see him make mistakes and have a more competitive championship, but I can't say I'm not being entertained more than ever by this season, bar Valencia.

We have great races. The championship chase, however, is pretty damn boring.

Also:

Eh, I gave it a try. :/

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Last season we had boring races and an exciting championship. This year he have exciting races and a boring championship. Why can't we have both?

I'm sure we will one year!

I'll take exciting races over a close championship though I think.

 

[Nolan.]

Why? Maybe we'll see Vettel with Horner on the podium. :lol


Last season we had boring races and an exciting championship. This year he have exciting races and a boring championship. Why can't we have both?

lol what I don't understand though is why they couldn't at least have waited until the next race since it took so long for them to even decide and implement the previous decision

 

[Sloane]

So, basically worst season ever?

 

[brotkasten]

So, basically worst season ever?

I wouldn't say worst season ever, but the championship is pretty much over.

 

[Psychotext]

I can see Ferrari calling up Jean Todt and screaming at him saying "THIS WASN'T HOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO!".

 

[Sloane]

I wouldn't say worst season ever, but the championship is pretty much over.

Yeah, the championship was over anyway I think, but I was at least hoping for a few more interesting races in the second half of the season. Meh.

 

[Nolan.]

I wouldn't say worst season ever, but the championship is pretty much over.

Well lets see what happens by tomorrow, at this rate there will probably be another change about whats legal and not

 

[Dilly]

FIA reminds me of myself when I'm working on a project.

Wait for weeks and start changing everything a few days before deadline.

 

[AndyD]

Well lets see what happens by tomorrow, at this rate there will probably be another change about whats legal and not

Yep. They may well delay this new change for a race or more. OR simply remove the restriction to all teams equally.

I wonder if Renault said this is the way we designed our engine, it won't function otherwise, so if you keep the restrictive rule, you will get a complaint from the other teams and have to disqualify all Renault engine cars, including RBR. Which can be seen as favoritism towards the other teams.

 

[brotkasten]

Yep. They may well delay this new change for a race or more. OR simply remove the restriction to all teams equally.

I wonder if Renault said this is the way we designed our engine, it won't function otherwise, so if you keep the restrictive rule, you will get a complaint from the other teams and have to disqualify all Renault engine cars, including RBR. Which can be seen as favoritism towards the other teams.

It's not like they had some time to adapt the new rules, just like the other teams and engine suppliers did.

 

[Psychotext]

It's not like they had some time to adapt the new rules, just like the other teams and engine suppliers did.

If that's how the engine is cooled (allegedly) then it's going to be very difficult to adapt to any significant changes there.

 

[Shaneus]

Vettel disagrees.

Ahaha, what would that little shit know, anyway? I suppose he was too young to see the Ferrari-dominant years of F1.

 

[brotkasten]

If that's how the engine is cooled (allegedly) then it's going to be very difficult to adapt to any significant changes there.

I heard engineers love the challenge.

 

[Juicy Bob]

They should let them use the blown diffuser this season and simply ban them from next year onwards, if they really are that fussed about them. Although it does bother me that every year we seem to see a new technical innovation that is immediately banned for the following season.

 

[WorriedCitizen]

What a farce. So their plan to hamper Renault engine cars completely backfired and actualy turned into an advantage. That's what happens when you mess with the rulebook midseason in a knee jerk reaction and don't do your research about possible implications.

Wouldn't be surprised if FIA decides to go back to the old regs before race on sunday. Otherwise this will end in a complete mess. Either Renault teams or the other teams will protest and each side has good arguments for it.

 

[AndyD]

I heard engineers love the challenge.

Right but the question is whether its a reasonable challenge by the FIA. I guess the answere they gave is no.

 

[brotkasten]

Right but the question is whether its a reasonable challenge by the FIA. I guess the answere they gave is no.

I'm just surprised that I took them so long to come to this conclusion.

 

[avaya]

Err WTF Todt?

Last time someone said if you don't change the rules we can't run reliably ALL THE MICHELIN CARS PITTED AFTER THE FORMATION LAP.

Fuck Renault if they can't run their engines reliably without this. That's THEIR problem.

 

[Nolan.]

Haha looks like they'll change it back completely lol, guess the lack of action on track today is being compensated

 

[brotkasten]

No probs for Hamilton & the stewards. McLaren explained they wanted clarification on why he had his DRS open in wet conditions in P1 #bbcf1

Phew!

 

[SunhiLegend]

What the FUCK is this bullshit? Renault and RBR are allowed 50% throttle while everyone else has to deal with 10%. This is beyond stupid, I thought the FIA were trying to slow down the Red Bulls not give them an even greater advantage. If Renault don't have a reliable engine then tough luck they have to deal with it, instead they complain and in turn the FIA gives them and advantage.

 

[Psychotext]

What the FUCK is this bullshit? Renault and RBR are allowed 50% throttle while everyone else has to deal with 10%.

Not quite.

Renault Engines: 50% Cold Blowing
Other Engines: 10% Hot Blowing (using fuel)

 

[avaya]

Not quite.

Renault Engines: 50% Cold Blowing
Other Engines: 10% Hot Blowing (using fuel)

Whiting is a clown. 5x the mass for one set of engines vs. the other. Joke.

 

[Nolan.]

Phew!

The stewards just wanted to understand so that they could tighten the wording of the regulations for the next race. I also suggested a couple of tweaks to make the regulations clearer and safer, so it was quite a useful visit.

That made me laugh for some reason

 

[Psychotext]

Whiting is a clown. 5x the mass for one set of engines vs. the other. Joke.

Hot blowing is far more efficient than cold blowing (produces significantly more gases). Whether 10% hot blowing = 50% cold blowing though... who knows.

 

[Nolan.]

It's all a mess though because there are so many variables to weigh up, how do you know if you're unknowingly giving one team a deficit or advantage over another regarding where brilliant engineering and dithering incompetence meet in order to 'level' things up.

if any of that even makes sense... I should work for the FIA

 

[navanman]

It's all a mess though because there are so many variables to weigh up, how do you know if you're unknowingly giving one team a deficit or advantage over another regarding where brilliant engineering and dithering incompetence meet in order to 'level' things up.

Exactly.
If the FIA wanted to do this right they should have mandated the volume and velocity of exhaust gases that are produced off throttle.
Then it would be up to the teams to use this to the best that they can.

 

[John_B]

Interesting twist. This season will be dead by Spa.

They should ban it for the next season.

 

[Gareth Bale]

Let me just say before I begin my rant that I'm a big fan of Lewis and McLaren.

Can we all agree that changing the regulations during the season was a bad idea in the first place? How about we stop trying to manufacture competition by clamping down on areas where certain teams have an advantage and just let them race each other.

It's acceptable to limit spending and testing to give teams with less money and worse facilities a chance, but when you're hand picking areas of the car to clamp down on in order make the sport more 'exciting', then the playing field becomes ridiculously unbalanced. As spectators, we can look at this as a change that improves the entertainment on offer. But from a sporting perspective, we're being robbed of any fairness that was left in Formula 1.

 

[Psychotext]

Exactly.
If the FIA wanted to do this right they should have mandated the volume and velocity of exhaust gases that are produced off throttle.

Good idea. Though with that said, Renault's front exiting exhaust system provides far less exhaust gases (velocity is lost through the routing of the pipes), but its positioning makes it far more efficient.

You'd need to measure it at the exit of the engine, if that was even possible. (I guess it would be as they can rig up the engines separately)

Plus of course there is a physical difference in the density of hot vs cold gases, which changes the effect on the diffuser.

 

[ANDY_098]

Some details regarding off throttle ban differences:

The original intention had been to limit teams to just 10 per cent - but that was then increased marginally to 20 per cent at 18,000rpm after preliminary discussions with teams.

However, following lobbying from Renault, the engine manufacturer argued that it needed even more throttle use for engine reliability related to the exhaust valves.

The new limit was agreed as late as Friday morning, and it counters a concession handed to rival Mercedes-Benz ahead of Silverstone - which has been allowed to keep firing half its cylinders as engine over run in a bid to ease crank case pressure.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92941

The FIA should either ban it outright or allow it with no restriction. There has been far too much controversy over mid season rule changes/clarifications recently in Formula 1.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

The FIA's incompetence never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Omiee]

LOL, its funny how people want red bull to lose so badly, come on they had this systeme all year now.
It was FIA's fault to not ban it before the season started, you cant punish someone for coming up with a good idea that was legal.
Ban it at the end of the year, but not mid season.
Banning it now would give mercedes a clear advantage.

 

[Nolan.]

LOL, its funny how people want red bull to lose so badly, come on they had this systeme all year now.
It was FIA's fault to not ban it before the season started, you cant punish someone for coming up with a good idea that was legal.
Ban it at the end of the year, but not mid season.
Banning it now would give mercedes a clear advantage.

How so ?

 

[Leonsito]

I have to laugh at FIA, Ferrari and Mercedes, good job Renault and RBR.

They wanted to fuck RBR with a change of rules and it has backfired, and all this started by a Mercedes petition for a 10% for their engines only, lol

 

[mclaren777]

 

[Leonsito]

Woah, I can imagine what that boy is feeling...

If I was put at that age in a real F1 car... holy shit, my smile would be as big as Coulthard's chin.

 

[Omiee]

How so ?

Because red bull and renault teams designed their cars around that, and lets nog forget they did nothing illigal.
They should have known it would have been illigal before the seaosn started so they could adapt.

 

[mclaren777]

 

[Leunam]

That's one ugly helmet. Cool idea, but ugly helmet.

 

[Omiee]

lol is that sebastian's helmet?

nvm just saw the number 1.
that guy is awesome

 

[Aegus]

Did anyone look for Webber on the helmet? It's the only way he's going to cross the line in first at this rate.

 

[ANDY_098]

http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/07/08/red-bull-pushes-fia-for-pit-speed-limit-change/

In today’s FIA drivers’ briefing at Silverstone there was some discussion about the new pitlane and its entrance, with Sebastian Vettel repeating claims he’d made to the media that the tight righthander is dangerous.

Vettel was keen to see the pitlane speed limit kept at 60km/h for the race, rather than raised to 100km/h, as is the plan.

Christian Horner repeated those fears earlier today: “If it’s conditions like today, if the speed limit goes up to 100km/h I think it could be a tricky down there. Yeah, it’s part of the track, at the end of the day it’s the same for all teams and all drivers, but I think they probably need to have a look at whether we – because the pit lane tapers as well – remain with 100km/h, or whether it would actually be better to look at a 60km/h speed limit.”

Intriguingly it emerged during the briefing that Red Bull has other reasons to seek a reduction in the speed limit. The team’s pit is so close to the end of the pitlane that when they accelerate out of their pit box the drivers cannot get up to 100km/h before the end of the limited zone. And that means they will be at potential time disadvantage at every pit stop.

One source told me that Vettel claimed at the briefing that the RBR cars face a loss of 0.5s at each stop, although an apparently better informed Charlie Whiting told him he’d heard it was closer to 0.29s.

So far the FIA has no plans to cede to RBR’s request…

 

[Omiee]

I think that as Charlie will probably admit, it would have been best to deal with this at the end of the year, because it is tantamount to a rule change and when you enter the championship at the beginning of the year and you design your car around it – and let's not forget that there's other teams that have significantly designed their cars around this set of regulations – for them to suddenly change halfway through the year is cost, it's time, it's effort, it's money and it's confusing.

Martin Whitmarsh's words.