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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|
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AndyD said:
Qualifying: Sunny intervals and scattered showers, perhaps heavy and thundery at times, particularly early in the morning along the south coast. The showers becoming fewer during the afternoon.
Race: Sunday and Monday mainly dry, with bright or sunny spells, and coastal sea-breezes.
From BBC.
brotkasten
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I found this, while looking for something else.
Seems legit.
Seems legit.
schroddycat
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^^ You should post that pic under Pics that make you Laugh | Mid 2011 Edition
brotkasten
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He's actually friends with them now and is just going over for a cup of tea.Adamm said:
Wax Free Vanilla
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ha!
i wouldn't mind if this came true though.
the fia are a joke.
navanman said:
They really are a joke they had since Barcelona to sort all of this out then they wait until Silverstone when teams have prepared alterations to announce this. I think they either should have a one rule for all (as in a percentage of how much everyone should be allowed) or abolish the rule completely. It makes little to no sense.
navanman said:
Ha I was thinking the same thing I want just Di resta though I think him and Lewis would be good together, Lewis needs someone who will give him a real challenge
Wax Free Vanilla
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:lol
Nolan. said:
Looks like it was Renault who were responsible for getting it changed.
They played the reliability card and the fact that the already used the cold blowing (68%) throttle for the last 2 years.
Big disadvantage now for Mercedes powered teams and Ferrari.
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Thead moving fast now!!
Nolan. said:
YES YES.
ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!!
Sounds like RBR and Renault outsmarted everyone on this.
If you can catch a replay of FP1 on iPlayer you can still clearly hear that the Renault cars still had their very distinctive machine gun style off-throttle mapping going on.
brotkasten
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So it's a special treatment for Renault/Red Bull?Wax Free Vanilla said:
If I am understanding this right, this is a massive downer for non-Renault engine cars. Such bias is quite incredible.
If Renault have an issue with their engines making the regulations, they need to change it, not give them an advantage. The FIA should have given Renault plenty of warning regarding this, and allowed a new allocation of 8 engines for the teams to use for the rest of the season.
Still a little unclear on all this, so correct me if I am barking up the wrong tree here.
If Renault have an issue with their engines making the regulations, they need to change it, not give them an advantage. The FIA should have given Renault plenty of warning regarding this, and allowed a new allocation of 8 engines for the teams to use for the rest of the season.
Still a little unclear on all this, so correct me if I am barking up the wrong tree here.
DrM said:
Can't be stated enough. Basically only Renault and Red Bull will be able to use their cars at the way they were designed with fully working blown exhaust and the rest have a gimped non-working system.
Going to give Red Bull another second advantage over the rest on-top of what they usually have.
Ferrari and Mercedes will protest this tonight and maybe even after race on Sunday.
I can see this ban being scrapped before FP3 now.
Foliorum Viridum
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I hope Martin Brundle or somebody does a rundown of these rules changes and what they mean because they're confusing the hell out of me as somebody who barely knows how an engine works, haha.
I don't understand why they do rule changes like this mid-season. It's pretty retarded.
I don't understand why they do rule changes like this mid-season. It's pretty retarded.
brotkasten
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Is there any reason not to force the rule change on Renault/RBR? Except for money, of course.
McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh claims the FIA has altered the off-throttle exhaust-blown diffuser ban to satisfy Renault and Red Bull.
The ban, which took effect for the British Grand Prix, limits off-throttle blowing to just 10%, however according to Whitmarsh, the regulations changed on Friday after the aforementioned parties protested the ban.
"We learnt halfway through the session that Christian [Horner] hadn't lost as much as we had expected him too," he said during the FIA press conference.
"The rules are slightly fluid and seem to change by the hour at the moment, so we're still learning [how much downforce we've lost].
"It's not a criticism of Red Bull, they've got to get the best they can get out of the situation, but we were all a little surprised when we were told the regulations had been changed halfway through FP1.
"That puts us, and I'm sure many teams this weekend on the back-foot and we're trying to cope with that at the moment."
Whitmarsh and Horner got into quite a heated debate over the matter as the former looked to explain the change as he understands it.
"The expectation was that when you're off the throttle then the engine throttle would be closed, but there has been a negotation and as I understand Renault's throttles are 50% open under braking, that's probably not what most of us expected," explained Whitmarsh.
"It's been a bit of a revelation that we've gathered today."
As we understand it, the FIA has allowed Renault, and only Renault to run 50% throttle, whilst Mercedes has been allowed to continue 'fired overrun' which Horner suggested was equal to, if not more powerful than the 50% permitted to Renault.
Renault cannot run 'fired overrun' for reliability issues which is why the FIA has allowed different regulations for different engines.
Tony Fernandes, team principal of Team Lotus, described the situation as a 'shambles' and called for more black and white regulations.
F1times
The ban, which took effect for the British Grand Prix, limits off-throttle blowing to just 10%, however according to Whitmarsh, the regulations changed on Friday after the aforementioned parties protested the ban.
"We learnt halfway through the session that Christian [Horner] hadn't lost as much as we had expected him too," he said during the FIA press conference.
"The rules are slightly fluid and seem to change by the hour at the moment, so we're still learning [how much downforce we've lost].
"It's not a criticism of Red Bull, they've got to get the best they can get out of the situation, but we were all a little surprised when we were told the regulations had been changed halfway through FP1.
"That puts us, and I'm sure many teams this weekend on the back-foot and we're trying to cope with that at the moment."
Whitmarsh and Horner got into quite a heated debate over the matter as the former looked to explain the change as he understands it.
"The expectation was that when you're off the throttle then the engine throttle would be closed, but there has been a negotation and as I understand Renault's throttles are 50% open under braking, that's probably not what most of us expected," explained Whitmarsh.
"It's been a bit of a revelation that we've gathered today."
As we understand it, the FIA has allowed Renault, and only Renault to run 50% throttle, whilst Mercedes has been allowed to continue 'fired overrun' which Horner suggested was equal to, if not more powerful than the 50% permitted to Renault.
Renault cannot run 'fired overrun' for reliability issues which is why the FIA has allowed different regulations for different engines.
Tony Fernandes, team principal of Team Lotus, described the situation as a 'shambles' and called for more black and white regulations.
F1times
brotkasten
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FIA: Okay everyone, new regulations for Silverstone!
Renault/RBR: lol, no
Everyone else: Fuck ...
Renault/RBR: lol, no
Everyone else: Fuck ...
Foliorum Viridum
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I think I understand after reading on the BBC now.
It's amazing how utterly dodgy rules are in F1 compared to pretty much any other sport.
It's amazing how utterly dodgy rules are in F1 compared to pretty much any other sport.
mclaren777
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You guys should add some thought bubbles.
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