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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|
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Hungary next... Monaco minus casions, marina and skyscrapers... Track made for RBR and i wouldn't be surprised if they are half a second ahead.
boring race, but weather could be major factor, with strong storms predicted for whole weekend. Weather over there is something special due to lake Balaton microclimate
boring race, but weather could be major factor, with strong storms predicted for whole weekend. Weather over there is something special due to lake Balaton microclimate
ClassyPenguin
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I want that on a t-shirt.Dilly said:
brotkasten
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Daniel Dantas said:
Massa said:
Come on. I didn't hate on him today, but he's clearly no good anymore. He lost everything he had after he almost won the championship in 2008 and then the accident in 2009. Nobody can deny that.
Today he did what was expected from him. He's sitting in one of the fastest cars on the grid, he has a ton of experience and is one of the highest paid drivers. Congratulations Felipe, you defended your position and finished the race. How amazing is that.
avaya said:
Not the first time I've heard that. Valencia at least is interesting to look at in the overhead shots (for me anyway), there ain't a goddamn thing interesting to see on that Budapest track.
brotkasten said:
Let's not forget that Massa somehow kept his seat over Kimi fucking Raikkonen, which anyone with an ounce of brains knew was bullshit. You're all lucky I keep my Massa hate to a minium, I'm just a classy guy that way.
As Brazilians, we should be the first to acknowledge the current conditions of Felipe Massa instead of trying for delusional nationalism. Not only he was never a pilot on the level of Alonso or Hamilton, his performance has considerably worsened since his accident. So much so that today's performance may feel like something great when it is in fact the very least he should be doing every race.
PdotMichael
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Omiee said:
Only the hate for the best driver
brotkasten
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I don't think anybody truly hates Vettel. I think it has more to do with the way RBR treats Webber compared to him and that nobody wants the championship to end so early. If we get more races like this one (with different results obviously), then I doubt that people continue to "hate" him.Omiee said:
Vettel is a really great guy and everybody who really hates him, needs to watch the Top Gear episode from two weeks ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqHYy2yZ4qI
PdotMichael
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ANDY_098 said:
And Alain Prost was average too?
PdotMichael
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n0n44m said:
yeah, because the red bulls (especially Vettel) have car settings for fast lap times and not for high speeds.
brotkasten
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend.Ark said:I just love how 'friendly' McLaren and Ferrari are.
Even Fernando wants McLaren to win
n0n44m said:
MGP have a very efficient DRS. You can either design the rear wing to work best with the flap open so gives a large boost of speed, but less downforce when closed, or to work best when it is closed, less speed boost when open, but more efficient when it is closed. MRL originally designed their wing to work best with the flap closed, but have been testing a new wing to increase the benefit of their DRS recently.
Scarbs has written a good article about the new MRL DRS optimised wing: http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/mclaren-new-drs-rear-wing/.
zomgbbqftw
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Omiee said:
When he proves himself starting from the back of the grid and finishing on the podium like Hamilton, Alonso, Kimi or Webber then the hate will die down. Until then questions will be asked of his overtaking proficiency and skill, especially after what we saw from Hamilton today. That we almost never see Vettel in a scrap like that because the RBR7 has dominated the season so far and the other RBR7 driver, Webber, has team orders to back off hasn't helped his standing.
Vettel is in the same position as Jenson really. Is he really a great driver or does the car flatter him?
Button gets those questions because he won the championship when every other car was dogshit, Vettel gets them because he won with an utterly dominant RBR6 and is winning again with the RBR7 which has dominated until recently. The last two races where Ferrari and McLaren have been competitive Vettel hasn't won, and last race Vettel should have finished third if there had been no team orders.
Let's not harp on the team orders thing too much...as the Speed Channel guys like to remind us (because they have to), they've been around in F1 since the start of the sport. It's just part of the game, whatever people think about it.
That doesn't mean the questions about Vettel's racing ability aren't legitimate though. The point made about Webber being able to make more passes in the same car would put paid to the idea that the car's design is at fault, so unless their driving styles are different enough to make that an issue, I guess it's fair to wonder if Vettel can race as good as he can drive. I hope he can prove he can at some point this year, cause I do like the guy.
That doesn't mean the questions about Vettel's racing ability aren't legitimate though. The point made about Webber being able to make more passes in the same car would put paid to the idea that the car's design is at fault, so unless their driving styles are different enough to make that an issue, I guess it's fair to wonder if Vettel can race as good as he can drive. I hope he can prove he can at some point this year, cause I do like the guy.
zomgbbqftw
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mxgt said:
Winning the championship with the car that dominates the constructor's title isn't a big ask, especially since Jenson was No.1 at Brawn-Merc. That is why people think giving Jenson and Lewis equal standing at McLaren is harming Lewis' season and his chances, a clear 1 and structure like RBR or Ferrari would be better for Lewis (and McLaren).
PdotMichael
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zomgbbqftw said:
It's funny because especially Hamilton has done many mistakes under pressures this year.
Today, this was the first race Vettel has lost points because of a mistake, in all other races he got the most possibly points.
zomgbbqftw
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PdotMichael said:
This was also the first race weekend where RB's speed has been challenged. I think it is fair to ask the question of whether Vettel can win in a car that isn't the fastest against Alonso and Hamilton. So far the result is inconclusive but we know Hamilton and Alonso are capable of beating Vettel in a slower car.
brotkasten
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I wonder how much they paid this time.ANDY_098 said:
just kidding.
Wax Free Vanilla
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Another poor race by Heidfeld has pushed Renault over the edge:
I hope he does a good job and forces Nicholas out.
I hope he does a good job and forces Nicholas out.
magnificent83
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Fox didn't show any of the post race stuff, except Hamilton getting the trophy, is there a youtube where I can check that out, I want to see Alonso hitch a ride
brotkasten
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The result of this race was hardly nicks fault.Wax Free Vanilla said:
zomgbbqftw
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DrM said:
I would rather have replacements than Mercedes team disappearing altogether. I like this year's lineup, the only team I really miss is BMW. I wish they had stuck around because they used to sand bag epically!
Wax Free Vanilla
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brotkasten said:
but it is his fault for being slow and putting himself in the firing line.
he's washed up and needs moving on to dtm.
scarybore
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brotkasten said:
I'm not sure who was at fault for his collision with Di Resta as I haven't seen a video for it, but Buemi has received a five-place grid penalty at Hungary for the incident that took Heidfeld out of the race. I'd say Nick has done an all right job so far considering the circumstances. Could be better, could be worse.
Increased my lead by 15 points.
zomgbbqftw said:
I reckon they'll hang around until 2015 at least, it will give them a year with the new regulations. If after that year they aren't competitive then I think they will pull out MGP, and with McLaren widely rumoured to be looking into building their own engine then without a factory Merc team or another top team to support then I think they will pull out HPE soon after.
PdotMichael
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ANDY_098 said:
What Canada?
Button was unstoppable, it was impossible for Vettel to win against Button. You can call it last-ditch attempt but it wasn't a mistake.
RomanticHeroX
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Modern F1 cars look incredibly uncomfortable to hitch a ride on.
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