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[SunhiLegend]

Its funny how Webber think he is on the same level with Vettel.

If your teammate win five of the first six GPs and your average position is only 3,66, you are clearly the number 2.

Last year is was arguable that Webber was the better driver until the last race. He lead the championship which Vettel never did, there was hardly a case to say who deserved the number 1 status, they were both pretty equal in the championship. Webber had a right to be pissed off when it was clearly being shown that he was a number 2 driver although there was nothing in it between the two.

So did they have an explanation for vettel, did he not have kers for the whole race?

Vettel doesn't have the race craft or the ability to be aggressive when overtaking that Hamilton and Alonso have. He was behind Massa almost the entire race and could not overtake him. There was no Kers problem, he just isn't that good when trying to overtake an equal or slighty slower car.

 

[anonnumber6]

yeah, but don't forget Red Bull lost many points in 2009 because they had an reliability problem.

Good point but the last six driver's championships have been won by driver's who have won between 5-7 races, Vettel is already on six in a points system that favours race victories. Unless Red Bull develop severe reliability issues or can't keep up with the rate of development to compete with Ferrari or McLaren the championship is over.

2009 was a strange season, Brawn had by far the fastest car in the first half of the season but after the Turkish Grand Prix Button only had an average finishing position of 5th in the races he finished, Brawn just didn't have the resources to keep develop their car which isn't a problem that can be expected from Red Bull this season.

 

[NHale]

Its funny how Webber think he is on the same level with Vettel.

If your teammate win five of the first six GPs and your average position is only 3,66, you are clearly the number 2.

Hi. Are you Helmut Marko?

If you are can you make sure that Red Vettel Racing sabotage Mark's car in the next race? Because it sure feels embarassing to be clearly slower than "the driver that's not in the same level with Vettel" 2 races in a row.

By the way, the gif you responded to happened when there was 12 points between the 2 drivers. So Mark had every right to be mad after his team gave his front wing to Sebastian after he wrecked his new wing. Poor Vettel....

 

[Omiee]

Good point but the last six driver's championships have been won by driver's who have won between 5-7 races, Vettel is already on six in a points system that favours race victories. Unless Red Bull develop severe reliability issues or can't keep up with the rate of development to compete with Ferrari or McLaren the championship is over.

2009 was a strange season, Brawn had by far the fastest car in the first half of the season but after the Turkish Grand Prix Button only had an average finishing position of 5th in the races he finished, Brawn just didn't have the resources to keep develop their car which isn't a problem that can be expected from Red Bull this season.

I dont know about that, the season could get interesting if red bull dont bring new improvements to the car. Ferrari en Mclaren have been really good at bringing new updates to their car.



On a different note, sure im disappointed by vettel's performance as well, but lets not pretend the guy is an average driver.

 

[Psychotext]

By the way, the gif you responded to happened when there was 12 points between the 2 drivers. So Mark had every right to be mad after his team gave his front wing to Sebastian after he wrecked his new wing. Poor Vettel....

I can't believe people are still going on about this. Webber had clearly said (it was in the BBC coverage for the weekend) that he hadn't noticed any improvement with the new wing... but Vettel had. Surely it's just common sense to give it to the driver who could make better use of it?

Vettel doesn't have the race craft or the ability to be aggressive when overtaking that Hamilton and Alonso have. He was behind Massa almost the entire race and could not overtake him. There was no Kers problem, he just isn't that good when trying to overtake an equal or slighty slower car.

It's been said numerous times, but the Red Bull just isn't built for overtaking. How many (non tyre difference related) passes against similar cars have either made this season? You could count the total on one hand.

The Red Bull's straight line speed (even with DRS) is pretty damn average.

 

[PdotMichael]

Do we have the top speed from Vettel and Masse from the German GP?

 

[Lucius86]

Anybody who knocks Webber is an idiot. Fact.

To be honest this bickering about Vettel (and Webber too) is getting tiresome. I like this thread when it's more about the fun spectacle of the sport. Have we ever considered we are looking at this too closely?

 

[SunhiLegend]

To be honest this bickering about Vettel (and Webber too) is getting tiresome. I like this thread when it's more about the fun spectacle of the sport. Have we ever considered we are looking at this too closely?

You're right. On a brighter note

 

[Psychotext]

Do we have the top speed from Vettel and Masse from the German GP?

1	Michael Schumacher		Mercedes	310.4
...
3	Felipe Massa			Ferrari		309.8	-0.6
...
20	Sebastian Vettel		Red Bull	298.9	-11.5
...
24	Daniel Ricciardo		HRT		294.1	-16.3

 

[Omiee]

Anybody who knocks Webber is an idiot. Fact.

To be honest this bickering about Vettel (and Webber too) is getting tiresome. I like this thread when it's more about the fun spectacle of the sport. Have we ever considered we are looking at this too closely?

i agree, one of the only reasons people love him is because they hate vettel.

 

[PdotMichael]

1	Michael Schumacher		Mercedes	310.4
...
3	Felipe Massa			Ferrari		309.8	-0.6
...
20	Sebastian Vettel		Red Bull	298.9	-11.5
...
24	Daniel Ricciardo		HRT		294.1	-16.3

yeah, exactly what I saw last weekend.

 

[AdventureRacing]

i agree, one of the only reasons people love him is because they hate vettel.

The only reason you would think this is if you were a big fan of Vettel. I like Webber and it has nothing to do with Vettel.

 

[navanman]

HRT truck arrives in Hungary and takes out the starting lights.

 

[Psychotext]

yeah, exactly what I saw last weekend.

Which is why Red Bulls win from the front, or they're pretty much not going to win unless they can perform some magic in the pits.

 

[Lucius86]

i agree, one of the only reasons people love him is because they hate vettel.

I love him because he is a God.

But this thread is shite if it ends up with people bickering over the same topics from a year ago which, and yes I am being incredibly selfish, I don't give a monkeys about.

HRT truck arrives in Hungary and takes out the starting lights.

Is this so then when everyone lines up on the grid HRT can get a head start as everyone is still waiting for the lights to come on?

Sneaky.

 

[Gareth Bale]

You're right. On a brighter note

 

[Dilly]

i agree, one of the only reasons people love him is because they hate vettel.

Bullshit

 

[John_B]

Webber is not the talent Vettel is, but it's pretty clear RBR is betting on Vettel as their future driver and he has been favored on more than one occasion.

Vettel was scared of racing in Germany and got bullied by pretty much everyone. He did one move on Alonso - who was messing up the second corner - at the beginning and then played it extremely safe for the rest of the race. Post-race Vettel commented: "I wasn't really feeling the car" and said Red Bull needs more pace - which is bullshit excuses.

Hamilton has been the most overtaking driver the last couple of years - even in shit cars (relatively) - and I'm sure he would do just fine in the Red Bull "car-not-designed-for-overtaking". Webber and Vettel are both very fast drivers but not the greatest overtakers on the grid.

 

[NHale]

i agree, one of the only reasons people love him is because they hate vettel.

Because it's impossible to like someone that just speaks his mind in public instead of complaining in the background and looks like a cool guy to be around?

 

[Dead Man]

i agree, one of the only reasons people love him is because they hate vettel.

That is your reply to a post about stopping bickering? How old are you?

 

[PdotMichael]

Because it's impossible to like someone that just speaks his mind in public instead of complaining in the background and looks like a cool guy to be around?

Its only an litte step to become the next Barrichello

 

[Dead Man]

On a lighter note, from Planet F1:

Nice to see Mark giving Fernando a lift back to the pits after the race - surely he could have used that short distance to see if his KERS was still working.
Nigel Roebuck of Autosport used to tell this great tale of the Italian driver Vittorio - Monza Gorilla - Brambilla.
In testing Vittorio broke down at the side of the track at Monza and a mechanic legged it out to Vittorio's stricken car. The repair complete and the engine fired up, Vittorio tells the mechanic not to walk back to the pits he'll give him a lift. So the mechanic climbs on to the back of the car and Brambilla sets off through the Lesmo bends. By the time he gets to Ascari he forgets that the mechanic's on board and guns it through there at full speed and the Parabolica and back into the pits. When he pulls in, the people in his garage say to him; "so you left the mechanic out there...?"

 

[jey_16]

Vettel doesn't deserve the hate he gets, unlike Hamilton and Alonso who have been pricks for a substantial periods of time during their careers, he actually seems like a decent guy. The only thing I can fault him for was Turkey last year

 

[Lucius86]

On a lighter note, from Planet F1:

He'd get some nice tarmac burns there!

 

[Omiee]

Apparently no one got it, what a reaction.

Anyhow i like webber as well, clear example of someone that worked his way up to the top. Will be a nice fight between him and vettel this weekend.

 

[wonderkins]

Vettel's indisputably awesome 'cause he's a Beatles fan. 'nuff said.

That gif of Alonso and Webber is just... :bow. Two great drivers, one car. lol.

 

[Omiee]

what is the weather forcast for this weekend? sunny or rain?

 

[operon]

I love him because he is a God.

But this thread is shite if it ends up with people bickering over the same topics from a year ago which, and yes I am being incredibly selfish, I don't give a monkeys about.





Is this so then when everyone lines up on the grid HRT can get a head start as everyone is still waiting for the lights to come on?

Sneaky.

Must be going to lay some tarmac

 

[operon]

Its only an litte step to become the next Barrichello

Never, Webber has the abilty to a champion that Barrichello never had

 

[Omiee]

Is red bull bringing updates? It seems ferrari and mclaren have a couple every weekend and red bull seem to be behind them in that aspect.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Vettel doesn't deserve the hate he gets, unlike Hamilton and Alonso who have been pricks for a substantial periods of time during their careers, he actually seems like a decent guy. The only thing I can fault him for was Turkey last year

Vettel the guy seems awesome. His appearance on Top Gear just confirmed that, the problem people have is that he gets a lot of extra help at RBR against Mark Webber who is a great guy and people resent that. Add in that many, many people believe he has been massively flattered by an awesome car vs winning in a dog like Alonso in the Renault or Hamilton in McLaren after his season win and 2010, and at China this year. Vettel has yet to win in a normal, dry race in a car that isn't the fastest on the grid, Alonso and Hamilton have done so and proved themselves in this way.

If Vettel received some kind of grid penalty and started 12th or something and then went on to win by overtaking other top drivers (not beating them in the pits like Massa) then the criticism would go away and he would be considered a top driver. Until he proves he can win from the back of the grid he won't get the same respect as other drivers who have the ability to do that.

IMO, Kobayashi in the RBR7 would be a terrifying prospect, just like Lewis was in the McLaren in 2007.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

what is the weather forcast for this weekend? sunny or rain?

20-23 deg, patchy rain. Forecast getting cooler as well, I think race weekend could be something like 17deg with 25-27deg track temp.

 

[Saiyar]

what is the weather forcast for this weekend? sunny or rain?

BBC weather is saying rain during the week but clear at the weekend. Temperatures expected to be in the mid twenties.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

BBC weather is saying rain during the week but clear at the weekend. Temperatures expected to be in the mid twenties.

Met office is dogshit.

http://www.wetter.com/freizeit/motorsportwetter/formel_1_wetter/

17-20, 60% rain risk.

 

[Lucius86]

Basically we have no idea - which means the teams don't. BRILLIANT.

 

[Ark]

Anyhow i like webber as well, clear example of someone that worked his way up to the top. Will be a nice fight between him and vettel this weekend.

Worked his way to the top? Webber was in Jaguar before it became RBR.

Is red bull bringing updates? It seems ferrari and mclaren have a couple every weekend and red bull seem to be behind them in that aspect.

Do you actually watch F1? RBR bring updates every other race, they talk about updates all the time. You just don't hear about them as much because the McLaren & Ferrari updates are far more interesting.

IMO, Kobayashi in the RBR7 would be a terrifying prospect, just like Lewis was in the McLaren in 2007.

Am I the only person that thinks Kobayashi is becoming more and more over hyped? Don't get me wrong, his performances in 2009 and 2010 were incredible, but this year he seems to be fairly lacklustre in comparison. I'm honestly more interested in how long it'll be before Perez takes Massa's seat than how long until SuperKK finds a decent drive.

 

[Lucius86]

Am I the only person that thinks Kobayashi is becoming more and more over hyped? Don't get me wrong, his performances in 2009 and 2010 were incredible, but this year he seems to be fairly lacklustre in comparison. I'm honestly more interested in how long it'll be before Perez takes Massa's seat than how long until SuperKK finds a decent drive.

No, how dare you say such a thing!

Spoiler

maybe :-/

 

[Leunam]

Am I the only person that thinks Kobayashi is becoming more and more over hyped?

Finishing in the points 8 out of 10 races this season is pretty good, I think. Especially considering that at this point last year he only finished in the top ten twice, though that may be more of a testament to the reliability of the C30.

 

[Adamm]

Am I the only person that thinks Kobayashi is becoming more and more over hyped? Don't get me wrong, his performances in 2009 and 2010 were incredible, but this year he seems to be fairly lacklustre in comparison. I'm honestly more interested in how long it'll be before Perez takes Massa's seat than how long until SuperKK finds a decent drive.

Hasnt he scored points in nearly every race this season?

Besides, sauber keep doing odd strategies to try and luck into a good finish.

 

[Omiee]

Worked his way to the top? Webber was in Jaguar before it became RBR.



Do you actually watch F1? RBR bring updates every other race, they talk about updates all the time. You just don't hear about them as much because the McLaren & Ferrari updates are far more interesting.



Am I the only person that thinks Kobayashi is becoming more and more over hyped? Don't get me wrong, his performances in 2009 and 2010 were incredible, but this year he seems to be fairly lacklustre in comparison. I'm honestly more interested in how long it'll be before Perez takes Massa's seat than how long until SuperKK finds a decent drive.

Yeah he has been on horrible teams, unlike hamilton who was put in a mclaren in his first race =)

And no i never watch f1 i just like to post here. Anyhow red bull just dont seem able to make their updates work as well as ferrari and mclaren can.

 

[Ark]

Yeah he has been on horrible teams, unlike hamilton who was put in a mclaren in his first race =)

And no i never watch f1 i just like to post here. Anyhow red bull just dont seem able to make their updates work as well as ferrari and mclaren can.

RBR's updates work fine most of the time, very rarely do their updates no perform well enough.

Finishing in the points 8 out of 10 races this season is pretty good, I think. Especially considering that at this point last year he only finished in the top ten twice, though that may be more of a testament to the reliability of the C30.

Sure, but to me at least, he's becoming more of a Heidfeld than an Alonso.

 

[DrM]

RBR is also very quiet about their developments. Unlike other teams.

 

[dalin80]

Yeah he has been on horrible teams, unlike hamilton who was put in a mclaren in his first race =)

And no i never watch f1 i just like to post here. Anyhow red bull just dont seem able to make their updates work as well as ferrari and mclaren can.

The 09 mclaren was propping up the back of the grid for the first half of the season.

 

[Ark]

The 09 mclaren was propping up the back of the grid for the first half of the season.

Dude don't bother. The moment Vettel leaves F1 is the moment Omiee stops following F1.

He's convinced Hamilton is the anti-christ and refuses to believe clear fact and evidence.

 

[operon]

Worked his way to the top? Webber was in Jaguar before it became RBR.

Don't forget his stint in Minardi, and the Jaguar team was hardly a middle team never mind a top one

 

[PdotMichael]

Dude don't bother. The moment Vettel leaves F1 is the moment Omiee stops following F1.

He's convinced Hamilton is the anti-christ and refuses to believe clear fact and evidence.

Isn't like your Vettel hate is better than the Hamilton thing.

but fun fact:

Vettel is a old german slang word for an old women with bad personality, maybe you can use it

 

[DrM]

Webber scored points on his first ever GP with Minardi in 2002 season. He was 5th on his home race.

 

[Omiee]

Dude don't bother. The moment Vettel leaves F1 is the moment Omiee stops following F1.

He's convinced Hamilton is the anti-christ and refuses to believe clear fact and evidence.

You know so much about me, im flattered.

Come on now lets not turn this into something personal, i used to watch F1 every weekend from the 95 season till 2002, stopped watching untill 2004, stopped and started watching it every weekend again since 09

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Am I the only person that thinks Kobayashi is becoming more and more over hyped? Don't get me wrong, his performances in 2009 and 2010 were incredible, but this year he seems to be fairly lacklustre in comparison. I'm honestly more interested in how long it'll be before Perez takes Massa's seat than how long until SuperKK finds a decent drive.

You shut your whore mouth!

 

[Omiee]

You shut your whore mouth!

lol woow!!